GDT: Blue Jays @ Royals Game 6 of the ALCS - The Price is Right vs Ace Ventura

[intentional wok]

^ Exactly. Now I'm just reading a bunch of s*** about how they should have played small ball and I want to die.

 

And to fend off any hypocrisy accusations, I also think the ball four to Bautista in Game 5 was ********. I even said so right after it happened. The Royals got jobbed there and it shouldn't have happened.

[TheHurl]

Same here. f*** em.

 

Says the guy that started the elimination GDT...next year someone will be designated to create GDT records and a playoff schedule will be created. Not following will be punished with a OH membership

[admin]

Agree. Jose did the textbook play on the fly. Only in hindsight did he throw to the wrong base. Cain's speed and the suicide run for home were factors that Jose really couldn't have fairly been expected to account for.

 

If he threw to first, Cain would have held, and here's how the conversation would go:

 

"Cain would have stopped anyway, but now you just gave Hosmer the extra base! Terrible baseball fundamentals!"

 

Exactly. Jose did exactly what he was supposed to. It was just a freak play with good timing that worked out for Cain. Tulo wouldn't have had him with a good grip on the ball, everything just lined up for KC there and it worked out. 95% of the time that play probably doesn't work out the way it did.

 

What I found really cool was how smart of a player Tulo is. Look as Jose is throwing the ball in, Tulo is keeping an eye on Cain with the corner of his eye trying to see if he's going, all while watching the throw from Jose. I'm sure everyone else was yelling, but he already knew Cain was going and had to fire it home.

 

As for the strike calls, yes home teams get calls, but that wasn't even close. I don't understand how you call a pretty consistent game all night until the last inning. I still don't blame umps for the loss, but it was still horseshit.

[NaturalGrass]

If Donaldson cut the ball off in the outfield and Tulo stayed at second then the runners could be held at first and third.

 

They should have tried a squeeze play in the 9th. But I've watched a decent amount of Blue Jays baseball all year and haven't seen a single one. Gibbons needs to be fired, you need to be able to manufacture runs in the playoffs. So you might as well start doing that in the regular season.

[Boxcar]

I am just glad Cain scored the winning run. He's pretty much their most likable player, aside from Zobrist and maybe Gordon.

[Boxcar]

If Donaldson cut the ball off in the outfield and Tulo stayed at second then the runners could be held at first and third.

 

They should have tried a squeeze play. But I've watched a decent amount of Blue Jays baseball all year and haven't seen a single one. Gibbons needs to be fired, you need to be able to manufacture runs in the playoffs. So you might as well start doing that in the regular season.

 

And if it didn't work out? I might have tried it but the reality is that the ump took both the Navarro and Revere ABs away from us. What can you do? Revere was about to hit in a 3-1 count and things are looking great.

[intentional wok]

If Donaldson cut the ball off in the outfield and Tulo stayed at second then the runners could be held at first and third.

 

They should have tried a squeeze play in the 9th. But I've watched a decent amount of Blue Jays baseball all year and haven't seen a single one. Gibbons needs to be fired, you need to be able to manufacture runs in the playoffs. So you might as well start doing that in the regular season.

 

How many more runs above the ~900 the Blue Jays scored this year can be manufactured? Would the strategies required to manufacture runs (steals, sacrifices, whatever) not also impact the ability to keep the line moving and score at a higher rate?

 

Can we just remember that the Blue Jays were eliminated by two games? Was their game plan sound enough up to that point, but not sound enough to make up two more wins? Also don't forget how badly Nav and Revere got jobbed on their respective strike 2 calls. It changed everything for both of them, and you can't strategize around the ump's grasp.

Edited October 24, 2015 by intentional wok

[admin]

If Donaldson cut the ball off in the outfield and Tulo stayed at second then the runners could be held at first and third.

 

They should have tried a squeeze play in the 9th. But I've watched a decent amount of Blue Jays baseball all year and haven't seen a single one. Gibbons needs to be fired, you need to be able to manufacture runs in the playoffs. So you might as well start doing that in the regular season.

 

Gibbons is an idiot, he has an idiot mind that our bats will carry us, he's too confident in the hitters that they will come through. And it's proven over and over again that it's a bad choice. Multiple chances to manufacture runs and they blew it. KC wouldn't have missed those opportunities. And again, Goins is an idiot. If you're a great defensive infielder that can't hit, you should be an elite bunter. Goins is one of the worst bunters in the league. Numerous times this year he messed up his bunt. Again, why the f*** are you stabbing at the ball like you're trying to bunt for a base hit. put the f***ing bat down, and put the ball in play. Bunting is one of the most basic baseball skills there are.

[Effit]

KC is a good team, no doubt about that..but they definitely had a lot of things go their way that was basically just good luck. Good team plus good luck and you're going to the World Series.

 

Jays didn't execute at times and had plenty of wasted chances, but they also weren't finding the holes that KC did when they made good contact. That's how the playoffs are though. The Jays aren't perfect but they're every bit as good a team as the Royals.

[BigCecil]

If Donaldson cut the ball off in the outfield and Tulo stayed at second then the runners could be held at first and third.

 

They should have tried a squeeze play in the 9th. But I've watched a decent amount of Blue Jays baseball all year and haven't seen a single one. Gibbons needs to be fired, you need to be able to manufacture runs in the playoffs. So you might as well start doing that in the regular season.

 

Squeeze? They aren't automatic. Even a safety squeeze isn't. There are risks with those calls too.

 

Gibby made the right call. 2 contact hitters who got affected by bad strike calls and the MVP were up. We used speed to "manufacture" scoring position, which we heard endless fapping about the Royals over.

 

All we needed was a fly ball or a ball hit to the middle to tie it....or a hit from the best player in the AL this season. We didn't get it.

[admin]

For the record I wasn't talking about the 9th, but other opporturnies wasted.

[intentional wok]

KC is a good team, no doubt about that..but they definitely had a lot of things go their way that was basically just good luck. Good team plus good luck and you're going to the World Series.

 

Jays didn't execute at times and had plenty of wasted chances, but they also weren't finding the holes that KC did when they made good contact. That's how the playoffs are though. The Jays aren't perfect but they're every bit as good a team as the Royals.

 

Thank you. The notion that a team can be good enough to get halfway through an ALCS but not all the way through is ridiculous.

 

Were the Broncos not good enough to win a Super Bowl two years ago? What about the Seahawks last year? The nature of the game doesn't change because of the stakes.

 

Squeeze? They aren't automatic. Even a safety squeeze isn't. There are risks with those calls too.

 

Gibby made the right call. 2 contact hitters who got affected by bad strike calls and the MVP were up. We used speed to "manufacture" scoring position, which we heard endless fapping about the Royals over.

 

All we needed was a fly ball or a ball hit to the middle to tie it....or a hit from the best player in the AL this season. We didn't get it.

 

Yes, thank you. There were three stolen bases in that inning. The runs the Jays did not score were as manufactured as runs can get without an error being involved. They small balled the s*** out of Davis, but then got robbed of competitive ABs for both the 0-out and 1-out hitters.

[NaturalGrass]

How many more runs above the ~900 the Blue Jays scored this year can be manufactured? Would the strategies required to manufacture runs (steals, sacrifices, whatever) not also impact the ability to keep the line moving and score at a higher rate?

 

Can we just remember that the Blue Jays were eliminated by two games? Was there game plan sound enough up to that point, but not sound enough to make up two more wins? Also don't forget how badly Nav and Revere got jobbed on their respective strike 2 calls. It changed everything for both of them, and you can't strategize around the ump's grasp.

 

They may have scored less runs as a result. Alternatively they may have won some close games. My point was the team should at least play somewhat like the way they're going to play during the post season. It's pretty sad when you're not confident in your player at the plate to put down a successful bunt.

[EMK19]

I've slept it off (though i admit I had trouble getting to sleep and had to use a sleep aid) and I have now come to acceptance with the end of the season this morning. In the end, no bitter feelings and really proud of these 2015 Blue Jays.

 

Thinking about it, we had a lot of adversities to overcome in these playoffs and did well to even make it to the ALCS to fight the Royals as hard as we did to the end. For one, I think most of the players were playing with some sort of injury/or really banged up... Revere's back problem, JD had clearly been worn and torn from the season, JB and Martin had their constant hammy issues, EE's finger problems arose constantly, Tulo played with a cracked shoulder blade. Guys like Estrada, Sanchez, and Osuna had to deal with logging more innings than they ever had to in their MLB careers and the two latter guys had it tough for having to endure such a heavy pressure playoff situation constantly at such a young age. Guys like Buehrle and Hawkins were clearly at the end of their road and had to battle their way through to the end. Then we had that most devastating loss of Cecil to a freak injury then having to deal with that mysterious Loup situation on top of it...

 

Despite that, we came back from a 0-2 deficit vs. the Rangers in such a dramatic fashion then fought the Royals hard till the end in the ALCS. Very proud of how they battled through till the end despite having to play catch up for most of both series. Who would have imagined we'd have all this drama back before the trade deadline? We're all fortunate to have experienced this quite a memorable pennant race and playoff run. I really do hope that Sportsnet or the Blue Jays make some sort of a Season review show/DVD soon so we can relive this memorable season for many years to come.

 

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[Effit]

Also can't help but wonder what might have been if we had Travis/Cecil/Saunders.

[intentional wok]

They may have scored less runs as a result. Alternatively they may have won some close games. My point was the team should play somewhat like the way they're going to play during the post season. It's pretty sad when you're not confident in your player at the plate to put down a successful bunt.

 

I could also make the counter argument that, yes, you'd win a few more close games with a small ball strategy, but how many close games will you be creating by removing the power ball strategy for your game and reducing your total number of runs obtained through the season? As long as we're talking about the abstract here, if you're looking to buy wins by reducing your efficiency and shuffling your runs around, how many losses will you leave yourself open to? One-run games are really fickle, so play for the beat down if your team is built for it.

 

And this only works with the criticism that the Jays refuse the small ball strategy. They don't. They do use it when they need to. They stole three bases in the ninth last night. They totally risked everything to score that run; it just didn't work out for the various reasons being discussed around the forum.

[Boxcar]

Also can't help but wonder what might have been if we had Travis/Cecil/Saunders.

 

Then you have to give the Royals healthy Holland.

[Effit]

Then you have to give the Royals healthy Holland.

 

Sure, I would have been fine with both teams at full health.

[KingKat]

O.K. Tidied up the thread a bit. Didn't ban anyone but I removed a call for violence against the KC guy (in jest probably but that doesn't matter) and several related posts and general vitriol. The kid is just some dumb ass kid. Most kids, probably most people would have done the same. I don't want this board associated with a vendetta against him. That's dumb. The umps are the review officials are the ones to blame for that screw up

[37stieb]

Right now this sting seems bigger then it really is. 20 years of mediocre baseball and even during this year we were heading in that same direction once again. I had fun watching the second half of the season. Unfortunately I wish I could have made more stadium appearances in the second half. Sadly tickets became scare during that period. I enjoyed the run we had.

Since I'm new to this site I am glad to meet many people on this message board as we celebrated the jays triumph during the regular season and the agony of the final curtain call. Moving forward I hope the 2016 Jays will be hungrier then ever and the suits at Rogers puts together a great team for next year so we continue another year of celebrations.

BTW I am very impressed of the knowledge base of people on this board. I work with a newspaper and know plenty of sports guys and it's clear that some of you are well versed in this game. Well that's based on my limited knowledge, so my statement may have very little weight.

Actually looking forward what we do off season. Feeling more stoked about acquisitions for next year's team.

#cometogether changes to #Bluejaysreloaded

[Effit]

O.K. Tidied up the thread a bit. Didn't ban anyone but I removed a call for violence against the KC guy (in jest probably but that doesn't matter) and several related posts and general vitriol. The kid is just some dumb ass kid. Most kids, probably most people would have done the same. I don't want this board associated with a vendetta against him. That's dumb. The umps are the review officials are the ones to blame for that screw up

 

He didn't do anything that our own fans wouldn't have done, but natural reaction is to belittle the kid. In the end, the ball was in the court of the officials and they dropped it. So f*** them.

[Effit]

BTW I am very impressed of the knowledge base of people on this board. I work with a newspaper and know plenty of sports guys and it's clear that some of you are well versed in this game.

 

A lot of high baseball IQ around here, way more than I've seen on other forums. They make me feel like a dumbass usually but I enjoy it. lol

[puphood]

As I woke this morning I still believe the jays played a game worthy of praise which the umpires stole from them. Even with my glasses on and repeatedly looked at the ground rule double/home run I see:

1) the bearded little f*** and a second glove are over the wall, the black glove catching the ball in the stadium slightly below the walls highest point. If I remember rightly the ball enters the glove and appears to bounce forward taking the rat faced basters glove with him. His contact would have made it a ground rule double and game changer. Mysteriously NY video camera can't see this.

2) The home plate umpire I think called a pretty good game over all but did blow the obvious ball on Revere which just sucked. I would like to see a standardized pitch tracker in the game and broadcast to the public if for no other reason but to hold the umpires accountable to the public for bad calls and multi bad calls in a game. I don't know why ESPN didn't have one other than MLB wants to keep the umpires shielded from their blown calls.........It was a shortened but great ride

[BigCecil]

A lot of high baseball IQ around here, way more than I've seen on other forums. They make me feel like a dumbass usually but I enjoy it. lol

 

for sure there is and ditto. Fantasy ball helps as it forces you to really evaluate the game/deals/stats. I don't do it anymore...too addictive.

 

even marginal posters on this site know much more than the casual fan about ball I think.

[CJ-Freeway]

Still bitter. f***ing s*** calls in the 9th. If it was a clean win, I'd be OK but not now. f*** it, hope the Mets sweep em just for those biased ump calls in the 9th.

[Boogerloo]

Woke up today and looked outside rainy and gloomy. Couldn't sleep last night, had to keep refreshing this site. Gives me comfort to know others feel the same pain lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I woke up this morning, yup there was still a Sun.

Walked to the Fridge and low and behold there was still Rum!

 

It wasn't what we all hoped n dreamed for.

But in the beginning it is better then we planned!

 

I smiled and thought I am Canadian and a Proud Bluejays Fan.

Here on this place we became the best message board in the land!

 

Sure at times we were dysfunctional, but some how we made it too.

Rebels, misfits, purest and stat geek alike we became a band of brothers in this fight!

 

When do catchers and pitchers Report?

When do they cry ball ball again for real?

 

When they do I Hope to see you there brothers

When I do this be certain " I will Great you with Rum"

 

There are many Chapters to come, Thank you Everyone!

[King]

I woke up this morning, yup there was still a Sun.

Walked to the Fridge and low and behold there was still Rum!

 

It wasn't what we all hoped n dreamed for.

But in the beginning it is better then we planned!

 

I smiled and thought I am Canadian and a Proud Bluejays Fan.

Here on this place we became the best message board in the land!

 

Sure at times we were dysfunctional, but some how we made it too.

Rebels, misfits, purest and stat geek alike we became a band of brothers in this fight!

 

When do catchers and pitchers Report?

When do they cry ball ball again for real?

 

When they do I Hope to see you there brothers

When I do this be certain " I will Great you with Rum"

 

There are many Chapters to come, Thank you Everyone!

 

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[jays4life19]

I woke up this morning, yup there was still a Sun.

Walked to the Fridge and low and behold there was still Rum!

 

It wasn't what we all hoped n dreamed for.

But in the beginning it is better then we planned!

 

I smiled and thought I am Canadian and a Proud Bluejays Fan.

Here on this place we became the best message board in the land!

 

Sure at times we were dysfunctional, but some how we made it too.

Rebels, misfits, purest and stat geek alike we became a band of brothers in this fight!

 

When do catchers and pitchers Report?

When do they cry ball ball again for real?

 

When they do I Hope to see you there brothers

When I do this be certain " I will Great you with Rum"

 

There are many Chapters to come, Thank you Everyone!

 

Why do you keep rum in the fridge is the real question here.

[BigCecil]

I woke up this morning, yup there was still a Sun.

Walked to the Fridge and low and behold there was still Rum!

 

It wasn't what we all hoped n dreamed for.

But in the beginning it is better then we planned!

 

I smiled and thought I am Canadian and a Proud Bluejays Fan.

Here on this place we became the best message board in the land!

 

Sure at times we were dysfunctional, but some how we made it too.

Rebels, misfits, purest and stat geek alike we became a band of brothers in this fight!

 

When do catchers and pitchers Report?

When do they cry ball ball again for real?

 

When they do I Hope to see you there brothers

When I do this be certain " I will Great you with Rum"

 

There are many Chapters to come, Thank you Everyone!

 

Love ya BBBB....but ya should probably lay off the rum in the early mornin' sun. Not sayin' Just sayin'