What's up with Price?

[AdamGreenwood]

Pretty sure we didn't agree to give up Boyd, Norris and Labourt to get a long reliever.

 

On his last regular season start, he gave up 4 ER in 5 innings.

Then he had 10 days off, which seems odd.

His first start in Game 1, was not good. He pitched 7 innings, giving up 5 ER.

His next appearance (today) he pitched 3 innings, and gave up 3 runs.

 

Three consecutive poor appearances. Strikeouts are down. HR are up.

 

And if that isn't telling enough, they've shifted him from starter to relief pitcher, opting to skip the start of our ace, favor of Dickey and Stroman.

 

Is there something wrong with Price? If not, why have the Jays' management lost so much confidence in him, that we are skipping his start?

[Stangstag]

A history of shittyness against the Texas Rangers

[candymartinez]

sss

[Treeplant]

Mentioned this elsewhere, but Price now has a postseason ERA of right around 5. He's had 50 innings of work, so it's not exactly a small sample size.

 

I really think the pressure gets to him and he doesn't know how to handle it that well. Not a true "choker", but he's only had one solid postseason game (for Detroit in 2014).

[nonamejays]

Price is garbage in the post season. 0-6 in starts. Today was his first actual win.

 

Hopefully getting the W might snap him out of this bs and that he can right the ship, especially if the Jays advance. They will need him to get a win or two in the ALCS if they advance so they can try to get to the world series.

[Stangstag]

Mentioned this elsewhere, but Price now has a postseason ERA of right around 5. He's had 50 innings of work, so it's not exactly a small sample size.

 

I really think the pressure gets to him and he doesn't know how to handle it that well. Not a true "choker", but he's only had one solid postseason game (for Detroit in 2014).

 

And most of those innings have been against the Rangers.

[polar bear]

Pretty sure we didn't agree to give up Boyd, Norris and Labourt to get a long reliever.

 

On his last regular season start, he gave up 4 ER in 5 innings.

Then he had 10 days off, which seems odd.

His first start in Game 1, was not good. He pitched 7 innings, giving up 5 ER.

His next appearance (today) he pitched 3 innings, and gave up 3 runs.

 

Three consecutive poor appearances. Strikeouts are down. HR are up.

 

And if that isn't telling enough, they've shifted him from starter to relief pitcher, opting to skip the start of our ace, favor of Dickey and Stroman.

 

Is there something wrong with Price? If not, why have the Jays' management lost so much confidence in him, that we are skipping his start?

I guess we just found out that Price is not nearly as good as what we thought.

To tell the truth,I now feel much more at ease with Stroman,Dickey and Estrata starting,

than I do with Price.

Fingers crossed we don't try and sign him long term,Estrata much better option.

[Treeplant]

And most of those innings have been against the Rangers.

 

I remember watching an ALDS game a couple of years ago when he was with the Rays where he pitched against Boston and gave up 7 runs in 7 innings and it could have been worse, he looked really bad. He looked like he did today.

[EMK19]

David is Jack Morris-ing it vintage 1992 playoffs.

 

No but really, I think it's just the case of him not matching up well vs. Rangers' hitters. Should we make it to ALDS, I'd still have full confidence in him as ace.

[HERPDERP]

he's a choker

[BTS]

Mentioned this elsewhere, but Price now has a postseason ERA of right around 5. He's had 50 innings of work, so it's not exactly a small sample size.

 

I really think the pressure gets to him and he doesn't know how to handle it that well. Not a true "choker", but he's only had one solid postseason game (for Detroit in 2014).

 

lol @ '50 innings of work so it's not a small sample' when his xFIP is like 3.5 and you're talking about a bad ERA.

[P2F]

He's had 50 innings of work, so it's not exactly a small sample size.

 

LOL. But that's exactly what that is: a small sample size.

 

You're throwing out almost 1500 IP in favour of 50 IP here.

[metafour]

You're throwing out almost 1500 IP in favour of 50 IP here.

 

Playoff baseball is a completely different animal. What do you want, to wait for 1500 playoff IP before you can make a conclusive decision as to whether or not he can handle the spotlight? You can't do it.

[Treeplant]

Not a small sample size for the postseason. Nobody has a large sample size.

 

I like Price a lot, I want him to do well. I just think some guys perform worse in the playoffs and Price is one of those guys. Stats just backup that he hasn't looked good in the postseason, they're not the be-all end-all argument.

 

Even that first hit when he came in today, you could see him tapping his chest, that was a pitch that could have been a home run instead of a deep fly ball. There's no way to "win" this argument and you can either use the stats as support for the fact he hasn't pitched well or you can say it's so small a sample size compared to regular season it doesn't matter, but I think 50 innings is enough to say that he's had four or five games where he hasn't been his normal self and that's not good.

[saskjayfan]

pitching on 3 days rest, in the playoffs where he has had issues, against a team in texas that he's had trouble with, coming in with a 7 run lead....there's both physical and mental things you could point to in today's game. I would have rather seen him get to pitch game 5 on normal rest, but he didn't throw that many pitches...let him start and right the ship in game one this Friday.

[BTS]

Playoff baseball is a completely different animal. What do you want, to wait for 1500 playoff IP before you can make a conclusive decision as to whether or not he can handle the spotlight? You can't do it.

 

The hockey fans have arrived. Hide yo kids. Hide yo wife.

[P2F]

Not a small sample size for the postseason. Nobody has a large sample size.

 

I like Price a lot, I want him to do well. I just think some guys perform worse in the playoffs and Price is one of those guys. Stats just backup that he hasn't looked good in the postseason, they're not the be-all end-all argument.

 

Even that first hit when he came in today, you could see him tapping his chest, that was a pitch that could have been a home run instead of a deep fly ball. There's no way to "win" this argument and you can either use the stats as support for the fact he hasn't pitched well or you can say it's so small a sample size compared to regular season it doesn't matter, but I think 50 innings is enough to say that he's had four or five games where he hasn't been his normal self and that's not good.

 

Okay then, just for feces and jocularity, let's compare his career stats to his playoff numbers:

 

Regular season: 1441 IP, 3.37 SIERA, 82 xFIP-, 3.35 xFIP

Playoffs: 47 IP, 3.21 SIERA, 94 xFIP- 3.79 xFIP

 

Even if you want to put stock into the narrative that he's not a playoff performer because he buckles under the pressure like Ray Finkle, Price is still expected to be above average over a larger sample.

[BTS]

Okay then, just for feces and jocularity, let's compare his career stats to his playoff numbers:

 

Regular season: 1441 IP, 3.37 SIERA, 82 xFIP-, 3.35 xFIP

Playoffs: 47 IP, 3.21 SIERA, 94 xFIP- 3.79 xFIP

 

Even if you want to put stock into the narrative that he's not a playoff performer because he buckles under the pressure like Ray Finkle, Price is still expected to be above average over a larger sample.

 

And payoff games typically feature better offenses. Not surprisingly, David Price pitching in a playoff game is still David Price, regardless of how tempting it might be to draw a narrative from 50 innings of bad ERA luck.

[AdamGreenwood]

Let's say everything is a small sample size.

Doesn't it seem odd that the Jays management would decide to let Price pitch a few innings in relief of a 7-1 game, rather than let our ace start Game 5?

It seems obvious they've lost confidence in him, and as much as they talk about needing a lefthander for today's 7-1 game, it seems clear they feel far more comfortable with Stroman.

[BTS]

Let's say everything is a small sample size.

Doesn't it seem odd that the Jays management would decide to let Price pitch a few innings in relief of a 7-1 game, rather than let our ace start Game 5?

It seems obvious they've lost confidence in him, and as much as they talk about needing a lefthander for today's 7-1 game, it seems clear they feel far more comfortable with Stroman.

 

You're not wrong. The decisions are bizarre in any context that doesn't involve some internal concern about Price.

[metafour]

The hockey fans have arrived. Hide yo kids. Hide yo wife.

 

I dont watch hockey, but nice try.

 

Price is a two-pitch pitcher who isn't fooling anyone right now. Isn't putting batters away. Letting left-handed hitters smack him around. Spent his entire career with zero pressure playing in Tampa with 50 people in the stands, and his results have been well below his expectation with the lights turned up a thousand fold in the playoffs. Excuse me if I am worried about how he looks poor in the postseason, which is nothing new for him. You ever watch postseason baseball? I've seen St. Louis barely make the playoffs and then go on to look unstoppable in post-season play. It is a complete toss-up.

[Masterbather]

Let's say everything is a small sample size.

Doesn't it seem odd that the Jays management would decide to let Price pitch a few innings in relief of a 7-1 game, rather than let our ace start Game 5?

It seems obvious they've lost confidence in him, and as much as they talk about needing a lefthander for today's 7-1 game, it seems clear they feel far more comfortable with Stroman.

 

Have to agree with you there. Recent events are very telling. Stroman is clearly the guy at this point. Maybe it's just against Texas that they feel this way. Maybe they just think it's not an ideal matchup for Price.

[baseballsss]

You're not wrong. The decisions are bizarre in any context that doesn't involve some internal concern about Price.

 

Do you think there's any chance Prices agent told the Jays to not pitch him as much? I cannot understand why they would put him in relief in a 7-1 game.

[Governator]

Stroman Game 5 with Price for Game 1 on Friday is a pretty good set up. I don't know what the f*** Gibby was thinking but he warmed him up anyway and then with a slew of lefties coming, I think he panicked and made the move. (Choo was hitting Dickey pretty good). I don't think there were any intentions to waste Price's arm so he can't start Wednesday, this was a do or die game against a very strong offensive team with a ton of lefties in the middle of the line up. Without a lefty in the BP burning Price for 3+ innings covers that left side for multiple innings. Pretty sure that was his line of thought, questionable at best but whatever. In Stroman we trust.

[Masterbather]

Do you think there's any chance Prices agent told the Jays to not pitch him as much? I cannot understand why they would put him in relief in a 7-1 game.

 

If that's what happened, I hope they did the right thing and hung up the phone.

[baseballsss]

If that's what happened, I hope they did the right thing and hung up the phone.

 

It's the jays they do what makes players happy not to win. But seriously why was Price in that early?

[Masterbather]

It's the jays they do what makes players happy not to win. But seriously why was Price in that early?

 

Gibbons explained it. You either agree with his logic or you don't. I understand what he's saying, but I don't agree with him, I just think he just panicked because he doesn't have experience in these types of situations.

[tazsub3]

Gibbons explained it. You either agree with his logic or you don't. I understand what he's saying, but I don't agree with him, I just think he just panicked because he doesn't have experience in these types of situations.

 

I, one of the rare ones, actually agree with him. They were down, kick them, dont even let them feel they get back in game, nor even gain momentum.

[drveets]

all i know is you bastards better have the roof blowing off that dome wednesday. i'm rooting from the states and the last game after the 8th inning it looked more like a church sermon from the 8th inning on.

[Governator]

all i know is you bastards better have the roof blowing off that dome wednesday. i'm rooting from the states and the last game after the 8th inning it looked more like a church sermon from the 8th inning on.

 

It seemed pretty loud where I was sitting. I'll sneak an air horn in on Wednesday just for you.