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[Stangstag]

well it looks like they just blew it so we'll find out if you're right.

 

i think if and when the inevitable series against the royals happens, home field is huge.

 

Royals won't make it to the ALCS

[thatoneguy]

Royals won't make it to the ALCS

 

Would love nothing more than to light Ventura's bony ass up if they do. And Volquez even more.

[dineke]

Omg have all these bandwagoners not watched baseball postseason before? It's not the NBA or NFL.

[Billy Bats]

Omg have all these bandwagoners not watched baseball postseason before? It's not the NBA or NFL.

 

what bangwagon fan, cuz i'm new to the board i'm classified as a bandwagoner? has nothing to do with what sport it is or isn't, clown. look at the jays home and away stats this year, you're dumb to think home field in the pennant wouldn't help. why dont you elaborate on your infinite baseball wisdom instead of spewing keyboard diarrhea? LOL @ bandwagoner

[intentional wok]

We would of never got to see that epic ending to the 2012 season(i think) where Tampa made that comeback. Things like that are unforgetable.

 

My answer to this is that no matter where you put the pegs on the border to the postseason you will have drama. Anything that a club fighting for the last playoff seed does will be dramatic. If there were a third Wild Card, the Indians' games would suddenly be super tense and meaningful instead of pointless.

 

Plus, drama can kiss my ass. The best teams should go to The Show, period. Two leagues divided into two divisions. East and West face off, then the league champions face off. That should be it.

 

You have to think of it as the playoffs determine the champion, not the best team.

 

I don't get this. The championship should only be open to the best teams. That's what a championship is. Some 89-win half-team shouldn't even sniff the big stage, let alone waltz in and steal a world championship. I know it's sweet to see the Giants with all those rings or the Royals sweeping the O's in the ALCS, but the Giants and the Royals didn't deserve to be there if they couldn't even surpass their main rivals in their respective five-team divisions.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

The 90+ win team has already proven themselves.

 

The 90+ win team has proven they can win in the regular season. They haven't proven they can get it done under playoff pressure without choking.

 

I will agree that the second wildcard is dumb and unnecessary, though.

[dineke]

what bangwagon fan, cuz i'm new to the board i'm classified as a bandwagoner? has nothing to do with what sport it is or isn't, clown. look at the jays home and away stats this year, you're dumb to think home field in the pennant wouldn't help. why dont you elaborate on your infinite baseball wisdom instead of spewing keyboard diarrhea? LOL @ bandwagoner

 

Why are you so mad? Are you Jonathan Papelbon?

[intentional wok]

The 90+ win team has proven they can win in the regular season. They haven't proven they can get it done under playoff pressure without choking.

 

But why should an 85-win wild card team get the same opportunity? That's my problem.

 

And "choking" is arguable, especially in a sport in which any season's top performer will lose roughly 65 games. The playoffs are really volatile - why should the clubs who won the 162-game marathon have to re-prove themselves in a do-or-die series against some arbitrary runner-up?

[dineke]

But why should an 85-win wild card team get the same opportunity? That's my problem.

 

And "choking" is arguable, especially in a sport in which any season's top performer will lose roughly 65 games. The playoffs are really volatile - why should the clubs who won the 162-game marathon have to re-prove themselves in a do-or-die series against some arbitrary runner-up?

 

because money

[intentional wok]

I don't see any of that money so I get to point out how crap it is alllllllll I want.

[dineke]

You must love european soccer.

[glory]

History of the 2nd wild card

 

2012

AL: Orioles (lost to Yankees in ALDS, 3-2)

NL: Cardinals (beat Nats in NLDS, lost Giants in NLCS)

 

2013

AL: Rays (lost to Red Sox in ALDS, 3-1)

NL: Pirates (lost to Cardinals in NLDS, 3-2)

 

2014

AL: Royals (beat Angels and O's in ALDS and ALCS, lost to Giants in WS, 4-3)

NL: Giants (won WS)

 

So there have been six WC winners from 2012-14. Three were knocked out of the Divisional Series, and three went beyond the AL/NLDS.

 

Facing the Wild Card team is just as much a coin flip as facing anyone else. Anything can happen in 5 games.

[500LevelSTH]

Jays were generating at least $4-7 million in revenue for every sellout in august and september, guarnanteed, what they profited is another thing. Every luxury box was sold out for most of september. Every top seat sold at premium, plus the secondary market share. Lotsa moneys

[intentional wok]

You must love european soccer.

 

I hate soccer so I'm not really sure what you're referring to...

[Billy Bats]

Why are you so mad? Are you Jonathan Papelbon?

 

run it out

[Shogun89]

So we're happy that we threw away home field advantage and have to face tougher opponents all the way through our first post season in 23 years so that our players could take 2 games off getting drunk?

[intentional wok]

Who are all of these tougher opponents? Playing the Rangers is beneficial. We already have HFA in two of the three series' no matter what. This is a non-issue.

 

I'm probably one of this board's bigger Ranger fans, but even I think both Wild Card teams are a bit scarier than the Rangers.

[EMK19]

The situation with the AL West/WC is still very much up in the air so we can't be sure of what our path will be in the playoff at this time (there's still a possibility of a play-in game for the West which would further deplete pitching/stamina of BOTH teams ahead of WC game/ALDS game 1), so there's really no point in wondering about what the "better" path will be at this point IMO... Plus even if we don't get the HFA there's no guarantee that Royals make it out of the ALDS. Let's just see how things end up tomorrow and we'll just have to take what we get.

[Stangstag]

So we're happy that we threw away home field advantage and have to face tougher opponents all the way through our first post season in 23 years so that our players could take 2 games off getting drunk?

 

If you want to make it to the WS, you have to beat good teams. All of the teams in the playoffs are good. And with baseball, its kind of a crapshoot anyways. Its all about who's hot and who's not.

 

Anyways, if you're so scared of the rangers then don't watch the f***ing games.

[Dick_Pole]

My answer to this is that no matter where you put the pegs on the border to the postseason you will have drama. Anything that a club fighting for the last playoff seed does will be dramatic. If there were a third Wild Card, the Indians' games would suddenly be super tense and meaningful instead of pointless.

 

Plus, drama can kiss my ass. The best teams should go to The Show, period. Two leagues divided into two divisions. East and West face off, then the league champions face off. That should be it.

 

 

 

I don't get this. The championship should only be open to the best teams. That's what a championship is. Some 89-win half-team shouldn't even sniff the big stage, let alone waltz in and steal a world championship. I know it's sweet to see the Giants with all those rings or the Royals sweeping the O's in the ALCS, but the Giants and the Royals didn't deserve to be there if they couldn't even surpass their main rivals in their respective five-team divisions.

 

The idea behind the WC was for situations like the 1993 Giants. Of course that situation gets solved if you make one division and the top two winners play the LCS.

[Dick_Pole]

Let's see what tomorrow brings before panicking in this thread. Jays win and KC loss.

[EMK19]

Let's see what tomorrow brings before panicking in this thread. Jays win and KC loss.

 

Ironically enough it'll be Torii Hunter's (likely) final game of his career for the Twins as well as it likely being Buehrle's final game of his career for us. Hope that those two factors can motivate both teams a bit extra.

[art_vandelay275]

Let's see what tomorrow brings before panicking in this thread. Jays win and KC loss.

 

I agree. After all, Cueto and his shake-and-bake moves is going for KC...

[SAAviour]

Hard to say with much certainty. Concession, parking, and apparently merchandise revenue goes fully to the teams, so if we estimate 9 total home games (450,000 fans) and an average of $10 / fan (profit), that would be 4.5M (might be on the low end).

 

Ticket revenue is more interesting.

 

• All ticket revenue from both stadiums is pooled. You don't just get revenue from your home games.
  
• The Commissioner's office takes 15% of all ticket revenue.
  
• For the wild card games, 42.5% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 42.5% to the team.
  
• For the division series, 51% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 34% to the team for the first three games. The teams get 85% for the remainder of the games.
  
• For the championship series and world series, 51% of ticket revenue goes to the players pool, 34% to the team for the first four games. The teams get 85% for the remainder of the games.
  

Based on our seating prices for full playoff strips (facing the Yankees would push it higher), that could mean approximately 150M total revenue for a team's total playoff appearances if they make it to the world series. 22.5M of that goes to the commissioner's office. That would leave the WS teams with as little as roughly 21.5M and as much as 32M (I think). Some sites online seem to suggest half that, so I'm not 100% sure on the numbers. I may have missed something.

 

Now for the TV revenue, which will likely contribute the most. As far as I know, teams keep all their TV revenue for the post season. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Estimating 40 ads per game (might be low), and 100k per ad (premium ad slots seem to range between 100k and 200k for the type of viewer numbers we can expect, so I'm being conservative, I think), that would mean an extra 4M per game. That would mean 44M to 76M extra for the full playoffs.

 

Taking roughly median numbers for games played, a full playoff run based on those could be worth 90M.

 

Crazy, if your numbers are correct, that is insane. I feel you're on the low end all around to.

[burlingtonbandit]

In a 2-3-2 Format it might be better having the 3 straight home games anyways. If you split the first 2 then just win 2/3 at home you have a pretty damn good shot at winning 1 of the final 2 games.

[EMK19]

In a 2-3-2 Format it might be better having the 3 straight home games anyways. If you split the first 2 then just win 2/3 at home you have a pretty damn good shot at winning 1 of the final 2 games.

 

Yup, that's the formula we used in 1992 WS. The home advantage definitely isn't as big in 2-3-2 than in 2-2-1-1-1.

[ComeTogether]

Wont matter if royals don't go past first round.

[Spanky99]

Holy f***... who cares who we face, they're done. Period. Birds for the WS... and that's all good. Why stress?

[reedjohnsonfan]

Holy f***... who cares who we face, they're done. Period. Birds for the WS... and that's all good. Why stress?

 

Agree. Rum for you now! (tribute post)

[Spanky99]

f*** off Dummies, it's the WS or nothing.