Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[John_Havok]

Kevin Smith's supposed to be a legit SS defensively so if his bat is for real, then man time to get excited.

 

I'd say 1 more level to get truly excited. ... but 21 in high A is a great step. Still dealing with SSS issues there. Definitely a guy to be cautiously optimistic on though

[Spanky__99]

Reliever in the lower minors so no

 

He's been starting bruh, recently promoted to Dunedin, or do you mean future reliever?

[King]

He's been starting bruh, recently promoted to Dunedin, or do you mean future reliever?

 

Yes

[Daniel Labude]

Vlad's injury goes from precautionary. To I think its fine just need a couple days... next were going to place him on the DL. Now hes going to see a specialist. This f***ing team man.

 

I read it more as...came back and it flared up again, then the team said we are going to give him 500 million down the line let's take him to a specialist and make sure everything is 100% before he tries to play again. No reason not to make sure he is 10000% healthy

[John_Havok]

I read it more as...came back and it flared up again, then the team said we are going to give him 500 million down the line let's take him to a specialist and make sure everything is 100% before he tries to play again. No reason not to make sure he is 10000% healthy

 

Yeah, that's my read too. And he's a bit thick, he's no prince fielder body type either. The posters trolling about a fat 19 year old with already bad knees are just silly.

 

That said, maybe an injury like this will flick a switch in Vlad's head that getting into better shape should be higher on his priority list

[King]

Vlad will keep eating his ice cream out of the machine and chipotle burritos

[Spanky__99]

Vlad will keep eating his ice cream out of the machine and chipotle burritos

 

And crush numbers around the world!

[P2F]

 

Good lord, what happened? That swing is hideous.

[Slade]

Yikes, huge leg kick and no bat speed. Not sure what happened to wirey frame.

[P2F]

Yikes, huge leg kick and no bat speed. Not sure what happened to wirey frame.

 

Yeah, he put on a fair bit of weight.

[Krylian]

Yeah, that's my read too. And he's a bit thick, he's no prince fielder body type either. The posters trolling about a fat 19 year old with already bad knees are just silly.

 

That said, maybe an injury like this will flick a switch in Vlad's head that getting into better shape should be higher on his priority list

 

It won't. Because he'll never acknowledge it's because of the shape he's in. He was a chunky little kid when you see the pictures... And he's still chunky. I doubt he'll every change

[Olerud363]

Yeah, that's my read too. And he's a bit thick, he's no prince fielder body type either. The posters trolling about a fat 19 year old with already bad knees are just silly.

 

That said, maybe an injury like this will flick a switch in Vlad's head that getting into better shape should be higher on his priority list

 

This is idiotic. People aren't trolling here, just reading between the lines. He's fat, he went to see a specialist, and now he's been diagnosed with a stained pateller ligament, and will sit for four weeks before even being re-evaluated.

 

The so-called trolls have been right so far.

 

His season is likely over, and this likely changes his long outlook hugely. He's no longer a super-prospect, but a guy with serious injury question marks.

[Jimcanuck]

What makes anyone think the injury is related to his body type?

 

A few days prior to the injury he landed awkwardly on a base, may be a factor. That happens to every ballplayer from time to time, and even the fittest players can get injured from it.

 

No evidence Vladdy is another Tulo.

[BTS]

Not saying this Vlad injury is at all related to his weight.

 

But, it’s funny that everyone talks about fat players being risky because it effects their long term outlook and yet it seems like every time a fat player’s career falls off a cliff early, people go out of their way to point out that it had nothing to do with them being fat.

 

Carrying around a few dozen pounds of fat as a professional athlete certainly isn’t good for the knees. Or hips. Or neck?

[Jimcanuck]

Not saying this Vlad injury is at all related to his weight.

 

But, it’s funny that everyone talks about fat players being risky because it effects their long term outlook and yet it seems like every time a fat player’s career falls off a cliff early, people go out of their way to point out that it had nothing to do with them being fat.

 

Carrying around a few dozen pounds of fat as a professional athlete certainly isn’t good for the knees. Or hips. Or neck?

 

No of course not, I'm sure a study of BMI vs games played will show a correlation. But then there are the B Colon types. Would be better for Vladdy to slim down but it's not necessarily a career shortening problem if he doesn't.

 

Maybe extend another fat guy Morales as insurance?

[Maahfaace]

Vlad out a month with a strained patella

[Olerud363]

What makes anyone think the injury is related to his body type?

 

A few days prior to the injury he landed awkwardly on a base, may be a factor. That happens to every ballplayer from time to time, and even the fittest players can get injured from it.

 

No evidence Vladdy is another Tulo.

 

It's a black mark on his record. Once players start missing significant chunks of a season, that is often a sign the trend will continue. I remember this happened to Travis D'Arnaud, and he was never able to play regularly in the majors. Nick Johnson was once the Vladdy of his time, and his minor injuries, were a sign of things to come.

[Jimcanuck]

It's a black mark on his record. Once players start missing significant chunks of a season, that is often a sign the trend will continue. I remember this happened to Travis D'Arnaud, and he was never able to play regularly in the majors. Nick Johnson was once the Vladdy of his time, and his minor injuries, were a sign of things to come.

 

What other injuries has vladdy had? I'm not aware of any

 

Practically every prospect in the game has missed some time due to injury

[Olerud363]

Vlad out a month with a strained patella

 

Not out for a month, re-evaluated in a month, best case scenario is 6 weeks, assuming they give him the green light. That's unlikely. The way these things go, he'll need surgery and we'll be lucky to see him this time next year.

 

Keep in mind, what they tell us, needs to multiplied by 3. Donaldson day to day, means Donaldson out for 20 days. Vlad "re-evaluated" in 4 weeks, means he refused the surgery he needs, and they have to wait four weeks to convince him, so he's gonna miss another month next year, because he didn't get the surgery he needs promptly.

[Jonn]

I mean atleast we have an actual good reason to not start his clock now. Obviously injuries f***ing suck and you hope this doesn’t linger.

 

Vlad has very thick body type. He’s certainly not obese or as fat as everyone says he is. Like he moves well for his size. Hes not grossly out of shape. Working out with someone like Donaldson who transformed his body would be tremendous for him. Vlad needs to build muscle to burn body fat. Just slimming down isn’t the answer for him. Diet during the season would dramatically help any player. That’s why I’m suprised organizations don’t spend on that. I think every minor league team should have a personal chef and nutritionist on the staff. I think we may see that eventually. The way you fuel and prepare your body is huge. I think would get a great return on that investment in the long run.

[gruber92]

Not out for a month, re-evaluated in a month, best case scenario is 6 weeks, assuming they give him the green light. That's unlikely. The way these things go, he'll need surgery and we'll be lucky to see him this time next year.

 

Keep in mind, what they tell us, needs to multiplied by 3. Donaldson day to day, means Donaldson out for 20 days. Vlad "re-evaluated" in 4 weeks, means he refused the surgery he needs, and they have to wait four weeks to convince him, so he's gonna miss another month next year, because he didn't get the surgery he needs promptly.

 

Wow, you're a crusty f***. Stop pretending you know what the details are to his injury. Vladdy is a future franchise player and they're going to be overly cautious in a season that doesn't mean anything. Why are you pushing so hard for him to be seriously injured? Do you own some Vladdy stock that you're shorting?

[MarcoSanchez]

Man that is depressing news, all of our eggs are in Vlads basket

[Olerud363]

Wow, you're a crusty f***. Stop pretending you know what the details are to his injury. Vladdy is a future franchise player and they're going to be overly cautious in a season that doesn't mean anything. Why are you pushing so hard for him to be seriously injured? Do you own some Vladdy stock that you're shorting?

 

I'm not pushing hard for him to be injured. I would love nothing more than Vladdy to be successful, and to be the player we all want him to be. However I've also been following baseball for 30 years and in that time you learn to read between the lines on injury reports. They explicitly did not say "out for 4 weeks", they said re-evaluated in four weeks. That means he's not even going to be cleared for baseball activity for atleast four weeks, and that's the best case scenario. Maybe he'll be back for August.

 

And maybe not. They don't have a time table, it's a tear in a ligament (a strain is a tear), so it very well could be more serious, and an even longer term thing.

[Bobthe4th]

I'm not pushing hard for him to be injured. I would love nothing more than Vladdy to be successful, and to be the player we all want him to be. However I've also been following baseball for 30 years and in that time you learn to read between the lines on injury reports. They explicitly did not say "out for 4 weeks", they said re-evaluated in four weeks. That means he's not even going to be cleared for baseball activity for atleast four weeks, and that's the best case scenario. Maybe he'll be back for August.

 

And maybe not. They don't have a time table, it's a tear in a ligament (a strain is a tear), so it very well could be more serious, and an even longer term thing.

 

It’s not necessarily a tear. All tears are sprains, but not all sprains are tears.

 

If it is a tear, then it’s possible he’s done for the season. But we don’t know yet. You’re being pessimistic which is understandable. However, they could just be acting overly cautious with the biggest asset the team has.

[King]

It sounds like a season ender to me. Probably pushes his ETA back to June 2019.

[Krylian]

Career over.

[John_Havok]

Not saying this Vlad injury is at all related to his weight.

 

But, it’s funny that everyone talks about fat players being risky because it effects their long term outlook and yet it seems like every time a fat player’s career falls off a cliff early, people go out of their way to point out that it had nothing to do with them being fat.

 

Carrying around a few dozen pounds of fat as a professional athlete certainly isn’t good for the knees. Or hips. Or neck?

 

Sure. But he's 19, not 35. Kind of a huge difference. Most fatties never get into the real injury issues until they push 30. Immediately using the fat angle for a knee issue for a 19 year old, especially after his base running thing... just seems like a lazy narative

[L54]

I'm not pushing hard for him to be injured. I would love nothing more than Vladdy to be successful, and to be the player we all want him to be. However I've also been following baseball for 30 years and in that time you learn to read between the lines on injury reports. They explicitly did not say "out for 4 weeks", they said re-evaluated in four weeks. That means he's not even going to be cleared for baseball activity for atleast four weeks, and that's the best case scenario. Maybe he'll be back for August.

 

And maybe not. They don't have a time table, it's a tear in a ligament (a strain is a tear), so it very well could be more serious, and an even longer term thing.

 

U r a expert

[Olerud363]

U r a expert

 

What?? Where did I claim I'm expert?? I'm just listening to what they are saying "re-evaluated". Do you guys understand english here??

 

Re-evaluated, means in 4 weeks they will decide what to do, it could be a 2-3 week rehab, in which case he may be back for August, it could be surgery, in which case he has a 6-9 month recover, and hopefully he's good to go for spring training.

 

I'm not an expert, and no where do I claim I am. I am a college educated human being who knows the following

 

1. Re-evaluated - I know the meaning of this word.

2. Tendons - I know what these are, they are basically connectors between muscle and bone.

 

Sometimes these tear. Often times when they tear you need surgery. Often times with little tears, you first attempt to rest and rehab.

 

1. Rest and rehab - rest part takes 4 weeks, rehab 2-4 weeks, in which case Vlad only returns for a couple of weeks at the end of August

2. Surgery - these tendon things sometimes tear completely, sometimes there are smaller tears which do not heal, and you still need surgery.

 

I am not an expert, but you guys aren't understanding the potential seriousness of any tendon injury.

[Stoneyen]

In better news: Bo 3-4 with a BB and 3 steals