Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Eat My Shatkins]

Ramon Suarez in the DSL

 

10 IP

16.2 K/9

0.90 BB/9

0.90 ERA

1.42 xFIP

0.60 WHIP

[Ray]

Another absolutely bonkers night for Riley Tirotta. He went 5-for-6 with 2 homers in a 21-10 win for the Bisons. He’s slashing .338/.444/.721 with 7 home runs in 19 games in AAA.

 

Leo Jimenez also had a great game going 4-for-5 with a homer and 2 BB.

 

Video of Tirotta home runs: https://www.milb.com/video/riley-tirotta-s-two-homer-game-x2405?t=playerid-694661

[Laika]

Jackson Merrill age 20 in AA

 

104 wRC+, 11.8% K rate, 8.5% walk rate

 

age 21 in MLB

 

122 wRC+, 16% K rate, 5% walk rate

 

Good example of why age vs. level and plat disc. stats are so f***ing important

 

 

It is possible to be a complete stud, borderline franchise player, and only have a 105 wRC+ or so in AA

[Jimcanuck]

Jackson Merrill age 20 in AA

 

104 wRC+, 11.8% K rate, 8.5% walk rate

 

age 21 in MLB

 

122 wRC+, 16% K rate, 5% walk rate

 

Good example of why age vs. level and plat disc. stats are so f***ing important

 

 

It is possible to be a complete stud, borderline franchise player, and only have a 105 wRC+ or so in AA

 

This is why Emmanuel Rodriguez is going to be an absolute beast

[Olerud363]

Jackson Merrill age 20 in AA

 

104 wRC+, 11.8% K rate, 8.5% walk rate

 

age 21 in MLB

 

122 wRC+, 16% K rate, 5% walk rate

 

Good example of why age vs. level and plat disc. stats are so f***ing important

 

 

It is possible to be a complete stud, borderline franchise player, and only have a 105 wRC+ or so in AA

 

And this is also why Bonilla, Nimilla, and Toman are in trouble. They have horrible k/bb at age appropriate leagues and players like that often never get past their age appropriate league (like Toman... 8 months in Dunnedin, probably will never leave except to go work at Costco)

[The_DH]

Jimenez should be up soon. This is the best time to get him some work at SS.

[Krylian]

Jimenez should be up soon. This is the best time to get him some work at SS.

 

Does anyone know if he's trying to procreate?

[Olerud363]

Does anyone know if he's trying to procreate?

 

When you factor in everything age, k-rate, walk rate, popup rate, power development and defense Jiminez is the guy who could really become a star and is flying under the radar.

 

Of course this year has been a surprising increase in power so we need to know if he is taking the drugs that increase his egg production... Still a little confused about that whole thing and how an egg enhancer would increase power or male fertility.

[Brownie19]

When you factor in everything age, k-rate, walk rate, popup rate, power development and defense Jiminez is the guy who could really become a star and is flying under the radar.

 

Of course this year has been a surprising increase in power so we need to know if he is taking the drugs that increase his egg production... Still a little confused about that whole thing and how an egg enhancer would increase power or male fertility.

 

His ISO isn't "that" much higher than it was in A/AA the past 2 years. In his age 23 season, there's a chance he's just developing physically and adding enough power to his game to be a ML regular. It's a nice development.

[Olerud363]

His ISO isn't "that" much higher than it was in A/AA the past 2 years. In his age 23 season, there's a chance he's just developing physically and adding enough power to his game to be a ML regular. It's a nice development.

 

 

Whatever the case no reason to think anyone else will fail a test this season... Occasionally some dumb ass like Fernando Tatis, Orelvis Martinez or Ben Johnson doesn't take the enhancer pill and the test-passing-pill (often women's health drugs) in the right ratio and fails a test, but no reason to think it would happen twice in a season, most people, like Carl Lewis was, are good at following the dose-age instructions.

 

Though I guess if we argue Jays are behind on the advanced s***, they may be behind on the pill scheduling.

[glory]

When you factor in everything age, k-rate, walk rate, popup rate, power development and defense Jiminez is the guy who could really become a star and is flying under the radar.

 

Of course this year has been a surprising increase in power so we need to know if he is taking the drugs that increase his egg production... Still a little confused about that whole thing and how an egg enhancer would increase power or male fertility.

 

Jimenez's xwOBA is right in line with his wOBA, so he's not fluking into anything. If his defense at SS is above average or better, then I think he's a real prospect, and might be the best one in the system (which isn't saying much but still).

[Laika]

When you factor in everything age, k-rate, walk rate, popup rate, power development and defense Jiminez is the guy who could really become a star and is flying under the radar.

 

Of course this year has been a surprising increase in power so we need to know if he is taking the drugs that increase his egg production... Still a little confused about that whole thing and how an egg enhancer would increase power or male fertility.

 

The one thing you never know is how much of the stat-sheet power is actual pop and how much is legs

 

Some guys can run a near .200 ISO in the minor leagues on legs alone. Just legging out doubles and triples and getting infield hits.

 

That's the main concern with Jimenez. Could just be Santiago Espinal with a bit more speed.

 

Although, he's not a speedster by SB or BABIP or scouting grades so maybe he really does just have 50 power and the scouts who put a 40 on his raw power were wrong??? Or, steroids.

[The_DH]

Does anyone know if he's trying to procreate?

 

I could answer this question but I'd probably be banned from baseball and maybe even Canada.

[Olerud363]

The one thing you never know is how much of the stat-sheet power is actual pop and how much is legs

 

Some guys can run a near .200 ISO in the minor leagues on legs alone. Just legging out doubles and triples and getting infield hits.

 

That's the main concern with Jimenez. Could just be Santiago Espinal with a bit more speed.

 

Although, he's not a speedster by SB or BABIP or scouting grades so maybe he really does just have 50 power and the scouts who put a 40 on his raw power were wrong??? Or, steroids.

 

He's younger for each level, walks more, and is faster than Espinal. Will be ready sooner and may have a longer peak.

 

What if Espinal was a bit younger when he got his first callup, a bit faster, a bit more patient at the plate and a bit better at defense? Instead of a 0 2 2 0 career maybe it's a 2 3 3 3 3 2 1 0 career?

 

There is a temporal aspect to all this. Espinal, Kevin Pillar, even Ryan Goins were useful pieces for a playoff team for a time period of at least 6 monthss. 2 years for Espinal and Pillar. Maybe Jiminez is a piece for a playoff team for 4 years.

[Laika]

He's younger for each level, walks more, and is faster than Espinal. Will be ready sooner and may have a longer peak.

 

What if Espinal was a bit younger when he got his first callup, a bit faster, a bit more patient at the plate and a bit better at defense? Instead of a 0 2 2 0 career maybe it's a 2 3 3 3 3 2 1 0 career?

 

There is a temporal aspect to all this. Espinal, Kevin Pillar, even Ryan Goins were useful pieces for a playoff team for a time period of at least 6 monthss. 2 years for Espinal and Pillar. Maybe Jiminez is a piece for a playoff team for 4 years.

 

Yeah he looks like a real asset

 

just wonder how good the D is?

 

if it's slick, Bo should be traded 100% f*** his performance and waiting for a rebound he still has his entire track record, he has good value

[Terminator]

Yeah he looks like a real asset

 

just wonder how good the D is?

 

if it's slick, Bo should be traded 100% f*** his performance and waiting for a rebound he still has his entire track record, he has good value

 

Yeah they should definitely shop Bo.

 

If they find the right deal, let Jimenez audition for the job next year. If Jimenez looks good he can be the SS if he sucks they could possibly make a run at Kim in FA.

[Brownie19]

Yeah they should definitely shop Bo.

 

If they find the right deal, let Jimenez audition for the job next year. If Jimenez looks good he can be the SS if he sucks they could possibly make a run at Kim in FA.

 

I wonder how much other teams believe in Bo right now. Of course he has like 4 great seasons and the year we should look to trade him, he's Ryan Goins.

[Terminator]

I wonder how much other teams believe in Bo right now. Of course he has like 4 great seasons and the year we should look to trade him, he's Ryan Goins.

 

Probably dings his value a little bit but if he came back and had a couple decent weeks his value probably wouldn't take that much of a hit.

[glory]

Yeah he looks like a real asset

 

just wonder how good the D is?

 

if it's slick, Bo should be traded 100% f*** his performance and waiting for a rebound he still has his entire track record, he has good value

 

Yeah I think the defense is the key. If he's a legit above average SS defensively, then you have to consider trading Bo and giving Jimenez 2 months of big league time to end the season. According to Savant's minor league data, his average EV and hard hit % is right in line with Orelvis' on the season. It's hard to get a sense of what AAA numbers mean nowadays, but I don't think Jimenez is Espinal, at least I wouldn't say that yet.

[Olerud363]

Yeah he looks like a real asset

 

just wonder how good the D is?

 

Same could be said about Spencer Horwitz (assuming he's not the next Wade Boggs but a .280 doubles hitter)

 

There is probably like a 2 WAR swing in defense/baserunning outcomes for everybody from slick fielding short stops to supposedly defensively limited 1b men.

 

Like Spencer could be from -2 (Vlad like) to neutral for defense, and Jiminez 0 to 2 and that will be a big part of it.

 

And Spencer made a nice play at second, so kind of indicates even if he is a 1b men long term he is good enough to occasionally move to more difficult posiitions.

 

So Spencer and Jiminez could be part of this hypothetical contact hitting, patient hitting, good defense team the Jays "tried' to make.

 

Like if Spencer and Jiminez are good at defense and can run a .350+ on base percentage those are decent players even if they have 'no power bro'.

 

Problem with the Jays current 'no power bro' team is they are running a bunch of .290 on base percentages.

[max silver]

Yeah I think the defense is the key. If he's a legit above average SS defensively, then you have to consider trading Bo and giving Jimenez 2 months of big league time to end the season. According to Savant's minor league data, his average EV and hard hit % is right in line with Orelvis' on the season. It's hard to get a sense of what AAA numbers mean nowadays, but I don't think Jimenez is Espinal, at least I wouldn't say that yet.

 

I believe that AAA will be switching exclusively to the challenge system at some point which will hopefully make it a little easier to determine which prospects are legitimate performers moving forward. They'll have to largely deal with s***** human umpires like in MLB.

[Spanky__99]

I believe that AAA will be switching exclusively to the challenge system at some point which will hopefully make it a little easier to determine which prospects are legitimate performers moving forward. They'll have to largely deal with s***** human umpires like in MLB.

 

The 28th of this month I think, July for sure. Should be interesting.

[max silver]

The 28th of this month I think, July for sure. Should be interesting.

 

Yeah the Jays AAA hitters in Buffalo have really mashed this season but it's impossible to know how much credence to give to the numbers. At the very least the guys getting called up have shown pretty good plate discipline for the most part as the swing decisions have largely been pretty good.

[MikeM3]

Zulueta called up. 60% gb in aaa for the Reds. This one might tilt me

[Laika]

Zulueta called up. 60% gb in aaa for the Reds. This one might tilt me

 

lmao

 

2.93 ERA, 3.47 FIP

 

he's going to be good isn't he

 

they kept some of the worst pitchers in MLB instead of him

[Brownie19]

lmao

 

2.93 ERA, 3.47 FIP

 

he's going to be good isn't he

 

they kept some of the worst pitchers in MLB instead of him

 

Walk rate is still a major issue. But he's got a huge arm.

[max silver]

Tiedemann was on the bump tonight. Put up 5 K's in 2.1 innings along with 2 walks.

[Laika]

Arjun Nimmala was demoted to the complex league a month ago but he had a 174 wRC+ there

 

So he was sent back to Dunedin.

 

He homered today in his first game back there.

[Stangstag]

lmao

 

2.93 ERA, 3.47 FIP

 

he's going to be good isn't he

 

they kept some of the worst pitchers in MLB instead of him

 

Oh no

[Laika]

Zulu 2024 debut with CIN

 

3 IP, 1 ER

83.3% GB rate

4 Ks 2 BB 1 H

 

75% sinkers sitting 96.7mph, 25% sliders sitting 88.9mph

 

89 stuff+ sinker 139! on the SL

101 stuff+ overall with a horribad 84 location+

 

his whiff rate was actually atrocious just 2%. lots of weird called strikes.

 

I still think he's a shittier version of Pop