Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Eat My Shatkins]

2022 5th rounder Mason Fluharty is off to good start in HiA

 

Lefty reliever, 21 yo, 0.68 ERA, 0.75 WHIP, 12.56 K/9, 3.45 BB/9

 

Anyone know if he brings some heat from the left side, or what his pitch arsenal is like?

[Spanky__99]

2022 5th rounder Mason Fluharty is off to good start in HiA

 

Lefty reliever, 21 yo, 0.68 ERA, 0.75 WHIP, 12.56 K/9, 3.45 BB/9

 

Anyone know if he brings some heat from the left side, or what his pitch arsenal is like?

 

Draft report...

 

Drafted in the 5th round (158th overall) by the Toronto Blue Jays in 2022 (signed for $222,500)

A 6-foot-2, 210-pound lefthander, Fluharty has been a full-time reliever for three years with Liberty and has steadily improved his craft and performance in that time. During the 2022 spring, Fluharty turned in his best year yet, posting a 2.84 ERA over 26 appearances and 50.1 innings, with 83 strikeouts (37.9%) and just 10 walks (4.6 BB%). Nothing Fluharty throws is straight. He misses barrels and limits hard contact with a two-pitch mix that is led by a cutter that sits in the 89-91 mph range and gets up to 94 at peak. The pitch is far from overpowering velocity wise, but the movement and extreme horizontal break make it extremely difficult to square up. His only other pitch is a sweepy slider in the low 80s with big raw spin rates in the 2,500-2,800 rpm range. The slider generated whiffs at a 46% rate this spring. Fluharty is a definite reliever at the next level with just two pitches, but the cutter might be plus, and the slider could be above-average. Fluharty has also shown impressive command and is on the younger side for the college class—he doesn’t turn 21 until a month after the draft.

[Asian]

Looks like Orelvis hit a single and a double tonight so far.

 

A lot of players lose some average going to the majors and gain power. What will Orelvis do?

 

Like if he loses a little average and gains power where would that put him?

 

Like will he he hit .100, 60 for 600, 50 homers 8 double a triple and a single? lol.

 

So maybe he'll just .220 .300 .500 and be an OK player if he can play a decent 3rd.

 

Got to think he is an absolute wild card and maybe still a prospect just because he has an odd profile, like you can't do the usual take away some average with him.

 

Has there ever been a .220 hitter with great power in the minors who got an extended look in the majors?

 

Try Rob Deer

[Asian]

Looks like Orelvis hit a single and a double tonight so far.

 

A lot of players lose some average going to the majors and gain power. What will Orelvis do?

 

Like if he loses a little average and gains power where would that put him?

 

Like will he he hit .100, 60 for 600, 50 homers 8 double a triple and a single? lol.

 

So maybe he'll just .220 .300 .500 and be an OK player if he can play a decent 3rd.

 

Got to think he is an absolute wild card and maybe still a prospect just because he has an odd profile, like you can't do the usual take away some average with him.

 

Has there ever been a .220 hitter with great power in the minors who got an extended look in the majors?

 

I should be a little more precise with my wordings. Rob Deer is a good comparable for Orelvis.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/deerro01.shtml

[Olerud363]

I should be a little more precise with my wordings. Rob Deer is a good comparable for Orelvis.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/deerro01.shtml

 

Good comparison. Rob Deer had a little more time in the low minors so his overall batting average in the minors isn't as low as Orelvis's.

 

However high minors numbers are comparable. Deer had some .220ish seasons with big time power in the minors and basically did the same in the majors.

 

A related question is whether there has ever been a hitter who hit .200 in the minors for an extended time but fixed the problem and was a good hitter in the majors?

 

It is pretty typical for guys to have bad years in the minors and rebound, Teoscar hit .219 for a full year in aa, but rebounded and hit as high as .290 in the majors. However I guess what is worrying people is Orelvis' is not rebounding (well until the last week).

 

Still young as everyone mentions and a Rob Deer type hitter who could play a good third and backup ss would be an asset.

[Laika]

Good comparison. Rob Deer had a little more time in the low minors so his overall batting average in the minors isn't as low as Orelvis's.

 

However high minors numbers are comparable. Deer had some .220ish seasons with big time power in the minors and basically did the same in the majors.

 

A related question is whether there has ever been a hitter who hit .200 in the minors for an extended time but fixed the problem and was a good hitter in the majors?

 

It is pretty typical for guys to have bad years in the minors and rebound, Teoscar hit .219 for a full year in aa, but rebounded and hit as high as .290 in the majors. However I guess what is worrying people is Orelvis' is not rebounding (well until the last week).

 

Still young as everyone mentions and a Rob Deer type hitter who could play a good third and backup ss would be an asset.

 

Probably have been a lot

 

I don't think you even have to dig deep to find prospects who have hit .220 or worse in single minor league seasons but then figured it out

 

Jazz Chisolm hit .220/.321/.441 in AA at 21 years old

James Outman .226/.322/.407 in A ball at 22 years old

Aaron Judge .224/.308/.373 in AAA at 23 years old

Trent Grisham his .231 then .222 then .232 in three consecutive MiLB seasons ages 19-21

 

I am just looking at the current K% leaderboard and clicking on some younger players

 

Orelvis' 2022 is comparable to some of those guys. A few points in BA is not relevant but I am sure you could find some good players who hit .200 or worse. As long as the age vs. level is okay, the player can still be a prospect.

 

Orelvis' 2023 still probably falls into the SSS and horrible luck categories. The BABIP is unfathomable in a full season.

 

Oh, here is one. Trevor Story at 21 in AA in 237 PA hit .200/.302/.380 with a 34.6% K rate.

 

Hunter Dozier hit like .210 in about 800 consecutive AA plate appearances across two years...

 

Steven Souza Jr. hit under .200 for two years in a row and then just over .200 a couple times

[Stangstag]

Probably have been a lot

 

I don't think you even have to dig deep to find prospects who have hit .220 or worse in single minor league seasons but then figured it out

 

Jazz Chisolm hit .220/.321/.441 in AA at 21 years old

James Outman .226/.322/.407 in A ball at 22 years old

Aaron Judge .224/.308/.373 in AAA at 23 years old

Trent Grisham his .231 then .222 then .232 in three consecutive MiLB seasons ages 19-21

 

I am just looking at the current K% leaderboard and clicking on some younger players

 

Orelvis' 2022 is comparable to some of those guys. A few points in BA is not relevant but I am sure you could find some good players who hit .200 or worse. As long as the age vs. level is okay, the player can still be a prospect.

 

Orelvis' 2023 still probably falls into the SSS and horrible luck categories. The BABIP is unfathomable in a full season.

 

Oh, here is one. Trevor Story at 21 in AA in 237 PA hit .200/.302/.380 with a 34.6% K rate.

 

Hunter Dozier hit like .210 in about 800 consecutive AA plate appearances across two years...

 

Steven Souza Jr. hit under .200 for two years in a row and then just over .200 a couple times

 

Aaron Judge slugging .373 is wild

[Spanky__99]

[Pendleton]

[P2F]

The Braves are promoting AJ Smith-Shawver pretty aggressively. Started the season dominating High-A and then moved to Double-A. After two starts, of which one was shortened by rain, they've moved him to AAA.

 

He's 20.

[Laika]

The Braves are promoting AJ Smith-Shawver pretty aggressively. Started the season dominating High-A and then moved to Double-A. After two starts, of which one was shortened by rain, they've moved him to AAA.

 

He's 20.

 

They kind of have to their depth sucks

[Spanky__99]

MLB Pipeline updated their top 100 by the way.

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/

[gruber92]

Orelvis was 2-4 tonight. Guess what the two hits were?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Orelvis was 2-4 tonight. Guess what the two hits were?

 

Bunt singles?

[Terminator]

He's not a prospect but Ernie Clement has 4 strikeouts in 130 plate appearances so far this year in AAA. He probably sucks but I thought it was interesting.

[Brownie19]

Orelvis was 2-4 tonight. Guess what the two hits were?

 

.157 average, .510 SLG

.353 ISO, .078 BABIP

11 HRs in 114 PA's, 88 wRC+

 

Those are some insane numbers.

[Krylian]

.157 average, .510 SLG

.353 ISO, .078 BABIP

11 HRs in 114 PA's, 88 wRC+

 

Those are some insane numbers.

 

Anyone see the movie 'Signs'?

 

Orelvis 'Merrill' Martinez

 

[Laika]

.157 average, .510 SLG

.353 ISO, .078 BABIP

11 HRs in 114 PA's, 88 wRC+

 

Those are some insane numbers.

 

At this point it kind of just looks like insanely bad luck.

 

He has cut his K rate and improved his ISO. Regress the BABIP to even just .200 and he's an above average hitter.

[Pendleton]

In April, Orelvis slashed .089/.159/.250 in 56 AB.

 

In May (46 AB) he's sitting .239/.300/.826

[Daniel Labude]

Rainer Nunez 2-3 currently. Up to .457 in May, .400 OBP, .800+ OPS

 

Orelvis 9-19 7 HR, 3B, 1B in last 6 games

 

Barriera pitching in 20 min

[Terminator]

Mitch White got rocked again.

 

Gave up 5 ER in 4 innings.

[THANOS]

Mitch White got rocked again.

 

Gave up 5 ER in 4 innings.

 

He may end up getting DFA'd. We can't possibly call him up at the end of his injury stint when he's getting shelled can we? He's not better than a single member of the 14 man staff.

 

Off-topic, Barriera'a results seem kind of average so far. He doesn't seem to have the helium that Tiedemann had. I heard their stuff was similar, so I wonder why?

[Laika]

He may end up getting DFA'd. We can't possibly call him up at the end of his injury stint when he's getting shelled can we? He's not better than a single member of the 14 man staff.

 

Off-topic, Barriera'a results seem kind of average so far. He doesn't seem to have the helium that Tiedemann had. I heard their stuff was similar, so I wonder why?

 

Tiedemann was a rocket that would go top 5 in a redraft.

 

The comparisons were never fair. Barriera has like a 1% chance of being as good as Teeds

[THANOS]

Tiedemann was a rocket that would go top 5 in a redraft.

 

The comparisons were never fair. Barriera has like a 1% chance of being as good as Teeds

 

That's true and fair, he shot up our prospect lists though, I think he's #2 in all of them currently.

 

I guess I just expected dominance instead of mediocrity.

[Slade]

That's true and fair, he shot up our prospect lists though, I think he's #2 in all of them currently.

 

I guess I just expected dominance instead of mediocrity.

 

It's his first year out of high school and he really hasn't pitched that much. Putting a little bit too much weight in his first 3 professional starts.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Kloff whiffed 9 in 5 innings today. ERA down to a nice tidy 2.38

 

Danner whiffed 4 in 2 innings. Still rocking the 0.00 ERA in AA. Probably won't take much to see him move to AAA.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Anyone here remember big Fitz Stadler? Probably not. He's the 6'9 reliever that supposedly hits triple digits. He missed all last year with what I assume was TJS. Looks like he's on rehab in Dunedin and is now rocking a 27.00 k/9 to go along with a 40.50 bb/9 LOL

[Eat My Shatkins]

Zulueta whiffed 4 in 1.2 IP today Also walked 4 though. Geez

[Stangstag]

He may end up getting DFA'd. We can't possibly call him up at the end of his injury stint when he's getting shelled can we? He's not better than a single member of the 14 man staff.

 

Off-topic, Barriera'a results seem kind of average so far. He doesn't seem to have the helium that Tiedemann had. I heard their stuff was similar, so I wonder why?

 

Might be a chance they send Pearson back to AAA. I just don’t see them punting White a half year after trading a decent asset for him

[RustyTrombone]

Ernie Clement putting up a .322/.391/.522 slash line for Buffalo so far this season with a stupidly insane 3.25 BB/K ratio being driven by a absurd 3.1% K rate. Would take him over Espinal in a heartbeat right now.