Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Olerud363]

When Stroman was coming up there was a lot of talk about this, there has never been a good starting pitcher between the heights of 5'4" and 5'10" except for Pedro Martinez... or that was the story. I don't remember a lot of data. Like if you are 5"5' and get to stage 3 (Dunedin or whatever) do you have less of a chance than the 6"4' guys in Dunnedin?? Or is it more that there is only one 5"5' guy there, and lots of 6'4" guys???

 

Like are Smurfy Martinez and Small-Fry Jones often stars of the pioneer league and can't make it farther?? Or once they make it to the pioneer league and succeed do they have as good as a chance as anyone?? It's more that there's hardly any smurfy at any stage, and lot of Big Franks...

[Brownie19]

When Stroman was coming up there was a lot of talk about this, there has never been a good starting pitcher between the heights of 5'4" and 5'10" except for Pedro Martinez... or that was the story. I don't remember a lot of data. Like if you are 5"5' and get to stage 3 (Dunedin or whatever) do you have less of a chance than the 6"4' guys in Dunnedin?? Or is it more that there is only one 5"5' guy there, and lots of 6'4" guys???

 

Like are Smurfy Martinez and Small-Fry Jones often stars of the pioneer league and can't make it farther?? Or once they make it to the pioneer league and succeed do they have as good as a chance as anyone?? It's more that there's hardly any smurfy at any stage, and lot of Big Franks...

 

[Olerud363]

 

A lot of people were saying Stroman couldn't make it because he was too short and bringing up the fact that Pedro Martinez was the only good short pitcher ever as proof.

 

What people didn't do was make a list of guys that made it to Stroman's stage at the same height, and show that once a player made it to that stage, they were eliminated from going further at a greater rate than tall guys making it there.

 

Start with 1 million tall guys, 1 million short guys....

 

Let's say

 

100 of the tall guys become aa super stars, with a solid rookie season

 

but...

 

only 3 of the short guys make it to that stage.

 

Given a short guy has already made it pretty far is he less likely than a tall guy to make it further??

 

It's hard because there are not enough short guys to get a good sample size.

[Brownie19]

I'm just lost on how you ended up on a tangent about Stroman's height. I assume you're trying to link that to a discussion on Pardinho (who's not tall), but it just seemed super random.

[Deadpool]

When Stroman was coming up there was a lot of talk about this, there has never been a good starting pitcher between the heights of 5'4" and 5'10" except for Pedro Martinez... or that was the story. I don't remember a lot of data. Like if you are 5"5' and get to stage 3 (Dunedin or whatever) do you have less of a chance than the 6"4' guys in Dunnedin?? Or is it more that there is only one 5"5' guy there, and lots of 6'4" guys???

 

Like are Smurfy Martinez and Small-Fry Jones often stars of the pioneer league and can't make it farther?? Or once they make it to the pioneer league and succeed do they have as good as a chance as anyone?? It's more that there's hardly any smurfy at any stage, and lot of Big Franks...

 

Most guys that size are weeded out in high school...

[Laika]

A lot of people were saying Stroman couldn't make it because he was too short and bringing up the fact that Pedro Martinez was the only good short pitcher ever as proof.

 

What people didn't do was make a list of guys that made it to Stroman's stage at the same height, and show that once a player made it to that stage, they were eliminated from going further at a greater rate than tall guys making it there.

 

Start with 1 million tall guys, 1 million short guys....

 

Let's say

 

100 of the tall guys become aa super stars, with a solid rookie season

 

but...

 

only 3 of the short guys make it to that stage.

 

Given a short guy has already made it pretty far is he less likely than a tall guy to make it further??

 

It's hard because there are not enough short guys to get a good sample size.

 

I mean, you are absolutely right. Most short guys don't make it because they literally cannot throw hard enough to make it because of their stupid f***ing little arms and tiny boy bodies. Like, they aren't even getting scouted in high school because they are throwing 79 or they are not getting scouting out of college because they are throwing 88 with no physical projection at all. Marcus is an exception because he does throw hard. After it becomes obvious that he is an exception, people should stop comparing him to the class of short people - it has no real bearing on his outcome. Short guys will also tend to have stupid little tiny girl hands, which can't spin the baseball the same way and have trouble throwing effective changeups.

 

Anyway, my Pardinho post really had nothing to do with his height, just his age and distance from the majors and already having elbow soreness and stuff.

[Terminator]

[Spanky__99]

 

Sheeeeit, his last 3 outings have been good, too. This sucks.

[Olerud363]

I'm just lost on how you ended up on a tangent about Stroman's height. I assume you're trying to link that to a discussion on Pardinho (who's not tall), but it just seemed super random.

 

Good point. I was reading between the lines and assuming NJH a.k.a. Laika was assuming Pardinho won't be durable or projectable because of the height.

 

Like if he was 6'6" would people think there is only a 10% chance he makes the majors without a surgery... maybe. Maybe the surgery rate is that high. I haven't looked into the stats.

[Slade]

Forest Wall has been killing it all month, should in AAA soon.

[gruber92]

Kirk 3-3 with a walk and two doubles, OPS now at 1.007 through 15 games in Dunedin. I sure hope this guy turns into something as it appears the bat might be legit.

[Ray]

Alejandro Kirk is now slashing .367/.456/.551 in Dunedin, one of the hardest leagues to hit in in the minors. I'm pretty sure he'll have the highest wRC+ in the FSL (min. 50 PA) after todays game. And he's doing it as a 20 year old, which makes him tied for the 2nd youngest player in the league. I don't know where you play him defensively, but that bat is looking more and more legit.

 

Cal Stevenson has also turned it around. After a paltry .587 OPS in April, he had a .777 OPS in May entering todays game and just went 2-for-4 with a walk today so that'll rise. I'm actually pretty impressed at how well he's doing in A+ as a 10th round pick.

[P2F]

How's Alejandro Kirk doing these days?

[Laika]

Cullen Large too

 

Dunedin has bats

[BlueRocky]

Alejandro Kirk is now slashing .367/.456/.551 in Dunedin, one of the hardest leagues to hit in in the minors. I'm pretty sure he'll have the highest wRC+ in the FSL (min. 50 PA) after todays game. And he's doing it as a 20 year old, which makes him tied for the 2nd youngest player in the league. I don't know where you play him defensively, but that bat is looking more and more legit.

 

Cal Stevenson has also turned it around. After a paltry .587 OPS in April, he had a .777 OPS in May entering todays game and just went 2-for-4 with a walk today so that'll rise. I'm actually pretty impressed at how well he's doing in A+ as a 10th round pick.

 

I figured he would struggle a little bit skipping both Vancouver and Lansing. He's apparently a solid glove at CF with a bit of speed and potentially an OBP guy. Still not striking out much and walking a decent clip. I'd be happy with that + an average bat from a 10th rounder.

 

How's Alejandro Kirk doing these days?

 

If you put Mike Piazza in the Florida State League, shrink him by 5 inches, put him on a fast food diet, you'll get Alejandro Kirk.

Edited May 29, 2019 by BlueRocky

[Krylian]

 

If you put Mike Piazza in the Florida State League, shrink him by 5 inches, put him on a fast food diet, you'll get Alejandro Kirk.

 

Sounds like a winning recipe.

[Barkerfan23]

Forest Wall has been killing it all month, should in AAA soon.

 

I hear he has the makeup to be a lead off hitter, if you know what I mean

[Boxcar]

Alejandro Kirk is now slashing .367/.456/.551 in Dunedin, one of the hardest leagues to hit in in the minors. I'm pretty sure he'll have the highest wRC+ in the FSL (min. 50 PA) after todays game. And he's doing it as a 20 year old, which makes him tied for the 2nd youngest player in the league. I don't know where you play him defensively, but that bat is looking more and more legit.

 

Cal Stevenson has also turned it around. After a paltry .587 OPS in April, he had a .777 OPS in May entering todays game and just went 2-for-4 with a walk today so that'll rise. I'm actually pretty impressed at how well he's doing in A+ as a 10th round pick.

 

You play him at catcher because he's a perfectly fine catcher.

[Olerud363]

Sounds like a winning recipe.

 

Speaking of winning recipes...

 

Take Vladimir Guerrero, put him on a fast food diet starting at age two with Olympic Stadium Poutine and the Olympic Stadium Ice Cream Machine... verdict is still out on that one but it has resulted in a few majestic homeruns, some 120 mph line drives at the center fielder, and some 8 pitch strikeouts.

 

Overall line is at washed up 40 year old Pujols level, but could get better while Pujol's probably won't.

[glory]

I must have missed this, but where the hell is David Paulino? It says he was placed on the 7 day injured list on 5/7, but no word since.

[Jimcanuck]

Matthew (Toronto): Not related to the Top 100, but what are your thoughts on Alejandro Kirk lately? He's clearly hitting the ball well, but how do you feel about his chances to remain a catcher?

 

Josh Norris: I believe he has a very good chance to be a catcher who contributes on both sides of the ball. He is one of my personal favorite prospects in the minors.

[Krylian]

Matthew (Toronto): Not related to the Top 100, but what are your thoughts on Alejandro Kirk lately? He's clearly hitting the ball well, but how do you feel about his chances to remain a catcher?

 

Josh Norris: I believe he has a very good chance to be a catcher who contributes on both sides of the ball. He is one of my personal favorite prospects in the minors.

 

So basically, no one knows anything about Kirk. This guy thinks he's fine behind the plate (I takes that as a 50 or so), and a previous report by someone (I don't remember who) has him at a 20 defensively.

[Slade]

 

Interested to see if he can turn it around this year.

[P2F]

Here is BlueRocky's debut article for Radio Scouts: https://www.radioscouts.com/blog/the...uilding-blocks

 

Part 1 of a 3-part series about the Jays' farm!

[Krylian]

Winckowski:. 7IP, 4H, 1BB, 8K

[TheOutsider]

After hitting two doubles last night, Alford is now hitting .292/.376/.449 in May. Huh.

[Bobthe4th]

After hitting two doubles last night, Alford is now hitting .292/.376/.449 in May. Huh.

 

It doesn't really matter whether he's on a hot or a cold streak, he should be up here IMO. I think he has more chance of being a mid to long term option in CF than Davis. Personally I'd rather Alford be given the rest of the year now in a season where results don't matter.

[Krylian]

It doesn't really matter whether he's on a hot or a cold streak, he should be up here IMO. I think he has more chance of being a mid to long term option in CF than Davis. Personally I'd rather Alford be given the rest of the year now in a season where results don't matter.

 

But Davis is now the new Superman.

[Todd]

Bobthe4th why would you give a guy a chance in the show for some one who does not deserve it.

One ok month does Not earn that shot. And as of now he needs to stay in buffalo stay healthy and get 500 or 600

at bats. Show what he can actually do. As of right now he has not shown nothing.

[Carlos Danger]

I hear he has the makeup to be a lead off hitter, if you know what I mean

 

Fast and black?