General Offseason Discussion Thread

[BTS]

It's that time of year again. Time to talk about the 2015-2016 offseason.

 

 

Last offseason's thread: http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/3793-Offseason-roster-thread-2014

Edited October 10, 2015 by NorthOf49

[Mikeleelop]

The Jays are set up to be pretty strong for a couple years (2016 anyway for JB and EE) with the everyday lineup they currently have and control.

 

my wishlist would include the following

 

1. sign Price - you need an ace/anchor for the pitching staff

2. trade for Chapman - truly solidify the closer and allow Osuna to start

3. sign next year's Lowe for the bullpen

4. qualify Buehrle

5. qualify Estrada? not sure on this, probably like to sign him for 2 or 3 years

6. pick up Dickey option

7. pick up EE and JB options

 

SP - Price, Stroman, Dickey, Hutchison, Estrada, Sanchez, Osuna

RP - Sanchez, Osuna, Cecil, Schultz, Tepera, Hendricks, Loup and whatever else is picked up

Edited October 10, 2015 by NorthOf49

[G-Snarls]

We need another OF

 

I don't trust that Saunders will play anywhere near a full season and JB is almost done in RF

[Atothe]

1. No

2. No ( gonna cost a arm and a leg)

3. Maybe (depends on the price)

4. Yes (no sweetheart deals)

5. Maybe

6. No brainer

7. Hell f***ing yes

[Atothe]

We need another OF

 

I don't trust that Saunders will play anywhere near a full season and JB is almost done in RF

 

We got pompey

[RealAccountant]

Abay bhai lets first win this year yar

[baubau]

I'd qualify Estrada in the hopes he doesn't sign. Get them draft picks. Hopefully his agent is smart and tells Estrada they could try and ride out his season for a multi-year contract instead of a one year. Someone like Arizona seems dumb enough to go after him

[G-Snarls]

We got pompey

 

Seems like to org is lacking faith in him and he's gotta start hitting

[crmr]

We got pompey

 

Is Revere back for another year?

[Atothe]

Is Revere back for another year?

 

Yeah he'll be a starter

[baubau]

He did hit. For majority of 2/3 of the season in the minors. Can't judge him on 1 PA so far after being called up. Hopefully the Jays clinch soon so Gibby will use him to rest guys.

 

E: blah! On my phone. This was @G-S

[G-Snarls]

Is Revere back for another year?

 

We have control for 2 more years actually

[crmr]

The Jays are set up to be pretty strong for a couple years (2016 anyway for JB and EE) with the everyday lineup they currently have and control.

 

my wishlist would include the following

 

1. sign Price - you need an ace/anchor for the pitching staff

2. trade for Chapman - truly solidify the closer and allow Osuna to start

3. sign next year's Lowe for the bullpen

4. qualify Buehrle

5. qualify Estrada? not sure on this, probably like to sign him for 2 or 3 years

6. pick up Dickey option

7. pick up EE and JB options

 

SP - Price, Stroman, Dickey, Hutchison, Estrada, Sanchez, Osuna

RP - Sanchez, Osuna, Cecil, Schultz, Tepera, Hendricks, Loup and whatever else is picked up

 

I just assume they won't be in on Price so that seems unlikely

 

I would pick up Dickey's option, sign Estrada, sign Lowe to close (or move Sanchez there), get Osuna back into a starting gig, and maybe sign a cheaper shorter term SP such as Kazmir. If we still have Revere then figure out how to get Pompey significant playing time, otherwise call Pompey up. While I would love for them to sign Price for the next 3-5 years, there's no way that he doesn't end up being a disaster later in any deal he gets (I'm assuming he gets like 9 years 260 mil or so)

 

The team looks really solid for next year regardless, because the entire O is back

[G-Snarls]

He did hit. For majority of 2/3 of the season in the minors. Can't judge him on 1 PA so far after being called up. Hopefully the Jays clinch soon so Gibby will use him to rest guys.

 

That would be good

 

He needs MLB reps at the plate

[burlingtonbandit]

Don't like Qualifying Buehrle and Estrada because of both accept the team is screwed and loses all financial flexibility. I think you offer Price 7/180 and if he turns it down, so be (very likely will). There are other good starters on the market and I think the Jays need to acquire at least 2 good ones to go along with Stroman, Dickey and Hutch.

 

Trading for Chapman would be a waste much rather give Lowe a 5-10 million on a 1 or 2 year deal.For the OF I'd be fine having Pillar/Bautista/Saunders/Revere. I do not want to count on Pompey being a starter.

[Atothe]

Don't like Qualifying Buehrle and Estrada because of both accept the team is screwed and loses all financial flexibility. I think you offer Price 7/180 and if he turns it down, so be (very likely will). There are other good starters on the market and I think the Jays need to acquire at least 2 good ones to go along with Stroman, Dickey and Hutch.

 

Trading for Chapman would be a waste much rather give Lowe a 5-10 million on a 1 or 2 year deal.For the OF I'd be fine having Pillar/Bautista/Saunders/Revere. I do not want to count on Pompey being a starter.

 

I'll have no doubt he'll prove you wrong. Starter or not

[Atothe]

I would like Shipley traded. Enough is enough

[G-Snarls]

We need another OF

 

I don't trust that Saunders will play anywhere near a full season and JB is almost done in RF

 

I retract this statement

 

Pillar-Revere-Bautista-Pompey-Saunders is probably fine for another year

[crmr]

I retract this statement

 

Pillar-Revere-Bautista-Pompey-Saunders is probably fine for another year

 

This is why I asked about Revere , with him we don't really need another

[Candide]

true love. or at least, a new identity and new personality to help me find true love.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'll have no doubt he'll prove you wrong. Starter or not

 

Even if you like Pompey as a player why go into the season counting on him as a starter when you have much better options already in place? I don't think there is any doubt Saunders is a better LF than Pompey talent wise, even Revere for that matter. I think what Revere is right now is what you hope Pompey could turn into (talking about next season).

[Rajais Mitten]

My 2016 Wishlist includes a 2015 World Series banner and that's pretty much it for now..

[Mikeleelop]

Even if you like Pompey as a player why go into the season counting on him as a starter when you have much better options already in place? I don't think there is any doubt Saunders is a better LF than Pompey talent wise, even Revere for that matter. I think what Revere is right now is what you hope Pompey could turn into (talking about next season).

 

talent wise pompey is the best OF the Jays have. He is a five tool player. It is experience that he lacks

 

JB is starting to be a trainwreck in RF. his defensive metrics are bottom 5 for qualified RF. However his bat and power are awesome so he keeps that spot. Pillar/Pompey/Revere/Saunders give you the depth to cover LF and CF.

[Dick_Pole]

You know who talks about 2016 wishlists in September 2015? 2015 Detroit Tigers fans. This is a thread to be rehashed in 6 weeks from now. Jays fans have been programmed to be like Cubs fans I guess..."we'll get them next year!"

[TheHurl]

The Jays are set up to be pretty strong for a couple years (2016 anyway for JB and EE) with the everyday lineup they currently have and control.

 

my wishlist would include the following

 

1. sign Price - you need an ace/anchor for the pitching staff

2. trade for Chapman - truly solidify the closer and allow Osuna to start

3. sign next year's Lowe for the bullpen

4. qualify Buehrle

5. qualify Estrada? not sure on this, probably like to sign him for 2 or 3 years

6. pick up Dickey option

7. pick up EE and JB options

 

SP - Price, Stroman, Dickey, Hutchison, Estrada, Sanchez, Osuna

RP - Sanchez, Osuna, Cecil, Schultz, Tepera, Hendricks, Loup and whatever else is picked up

 

It honestly should be a fascinating off season. Jays results this post-season are obviously a factor, but I can't see them letting the buzz that around the team dying by letting Price go and doing nothing. If Price doesn't sign, neither Shapiro or AA have really played in the FA market though, so do they make another big splash trade?. Although I think Shapiro probably comes in and builds the programs for the first year and lets AA do his thing with the 25 man.

[Stangstag]

There's a bucketload of quality free agent starters this offseason. Sign 2 and that's all we need. Don't blow all the money on Price. We are all set for position players. May need to sign a couple bullpen pieces.

 

Wishlist:

 

1-2 decent starters

 

1-2 decent bullpen arms

[G-Snarls]

1. Will Sanchez get another chance to be a starter?

 

2. Does he even want to?

[Brownie19]

I retract this statement

 

Pillar-Revere-Bautista-Pompey-Saunders is probably fine for another year

 

I think the question is - do you plan on the Cola/Smoak platoon at 1st next year, or move Jose there? If you take Jose out of the mix in RF, then I'm not overly comfortable with Revere/Piller/Pompey/Saunders....although I could totally see that being the situation with high hopes that Saunders proves some value and Pompey proves he can be a ML regular.

[BigCecil]

The Jays are set up to be pretty strong for a couple years (2016 anyway for JB and EE) with the everyday lineup they currently have and control.

 

my wishlist would include the following

 

1. sign Price - you need an ace/anchor for the pitching staff

2. trade for Chapman - truly solidify the closer and allow Osuna to start

3. sign next year's Lowe for the bullpen

4. qualify Buehrle

5. qualify Estrada? not sure on this, probably like to sign him for 2 or 3 years

6. pick up Dickey option

7. pick up EE and JB options

 

SP - Price, Stroman, Dickey, Hutchison, Estrada, Sanchez, Osuna

RP - Sanchez, Osuna, Cecil, Schultz, Tepera, Hendricks, Loup and whatever else is picked up

 

1. No

2. No ( gonna cost a arm and a leg)

3. Maybe (depends on the price)

4. Yes (no sweetheart deals)

5. Maybe

6. No brainer

7. Hell f***ing yes

 

Im with Atothe. It pains me to pick up the RA option but SP is just so expensive and he eats innings AND he has been flat out good 2nd half again.

[crmr]

They're not going to qualify Estrada at $16MM and may not do so with Buehrle. Those guys have barely been worth that much this year and Estrada in particular isn't very good. Throw in Dickey and you're talking about committing $44MM to three starting pitchers who don't move the needle. I'll pass and give some of those starts to Hutch and Osuna.

 

I dont think they qualify Buehrle, but may do it with Estrada. Gives them a decent guy for $16 mil for 1 year, which is probably exactly what they're looking for. Hard to get 1 year guys in the FA market really. Not sure Estrada will accept it coming off a career year though.

 

Buehrle just seems to be done at this point so it's hard to imagine they qualify him, but I have to believe they grab one of Buerhle/Dickey for the innings factor (which is likely more important than people around here think)