Pray4Tulo

[EMK19]

Who know how big the fracture is, but my wife fractured her scapula and it was not an easy recovery. 6 weeks in a sling followed by physio. It's not like she had a full range of motion right after 6 weeks, she gradually had to build up her strength and movement. Now hers was a fairly bad case (fractured in 3 places) so let's hope Tulo's is a tiny fracture and there's only one of them, but even then I'm not optimistic about a return this season. Even the fact they already have a media session with him planned makes me fear the worst - wouldn't be surprised to hear him tell us that his season is over. If it was Stroman he would be fully recovered by Wednesday, but Tulo isn't likely to bounce back from this one quickly

 

 

I'm predicting a pretty vague press conference tomorrow actually, something down the lines of "We are going to let it rest for two weeks and take it from there, but Tulo will definitely try his hardest to come back in time for the playoffs"... no matter what the actual real diagnosis from within might be. If not only for his teammates to have hopes of him being able to come back later in time for the playoffs... it would be pretty devastating to announce it right there before the game that he'll be out for the rest of the year for certain.

 

As an athlete he'll be able to play through pain to some degree and hopefully also heal from it quicker, so I still have some hopes that he'll be back in time for the playoffs... seems different from a Teixeira type of case here to me although I guess that's still within realms of possibility.

[flafson]

I'm not a big Pillar fan either, but this was 100% the center fielders ball. I think they both called for it at the same time or else Tulo just couldn't hear Pillar.

 

He'll be out for the rest of the regular season, but there's still a chance he's back for the playoffs. This won't do too much damage believe it or not. We have 2 very capable infielders to take over in Pennington and Goins.

 

Tulo's bat, lets face it, wasn't that great. We'll be fine without him.

 

Just because he hasn't been himself doesn't mean teams/pitchers ignore him. He has a reputation just like JD, Bautista and Edwin. That alone could carry him. No disrespect to Pennington or Goins but when a pitcher sees them he is much more relaxed and doesn't try to nibble on the corners.

So yea, the bat isn't quite there but his name alone makes it harder to beat us.

[Masterbather]

s*** happens. The baseball gods gave us back Stroman earlier than expected and required a sacrifice in return. If I had to choose, I'd rather have Stroman given how desperately we need a true number 2 behind Price.

 

Who'd have thought that the pickup of Pennington could actually end up being quite important?

[Belliss101]

From the Gibby press conference, it sounds like EE will be out for AT LEAST tomorrow. He says "hopefully it isn't too long" for the finger to get back to playing shape. Man what a bitter sweet day. I feel like crawling into a corner and crying.

[EMK19]

From the Gibby press conference, it sounds like EE will be out for AT LEAST tomorrow. He says "hopefully it isn't too long" for the finger to get back to playing shape. Man what a bitter sweet day. I feel like crawling into a corner and crying.

 

Ugh so no EE while going bottom 4 of Pillar/Goins/Pennington/Thole tm... not looking forward to that, but I guess we won the series already and can't really force the issue at this point.

 

On the positive side at least Martin picked the right time to start contributing again. Same with Smoak to a degree, he seems to be turning it around slightly at the plate as of late. Hope those two keep it up because we really need them down the stretch now.

[BigCecil]

I'm not a big Pillar fan either, but this was 100% the center fielders ball. I think they both called for it at the same time or else Tulo just couldn't hear Pillar.

 

He'll be out for the rest of the regular season, but there's still a chance he's back for the playoffs. This won't do too much damage believe it or not. We have 2 very capable infielders to take over in Pennington and Goins.

 

Tulo's bat, lets face it, wasn't that great. We'll be fine without him.

 

Some people act as if losing Tulo is meh....no big deal. This is one of the top Shortstops in MLB and he isn't just interchangeable with Goins or Pennington. Just because he hasn't hit a ton yet doesn't mean he can't or wouldn't have at some point. He is a serious threat in our line up and a significant presence.

 

I realize there is nothing we can do about it, but its a major loss imo that hurts us significantly. Not going to sugar coat it.

[Belliss101]

A possible tomorrow lineup of:

Revere

Donaldson

Bautista

Smoak

Colabello

Goins

Pillar

Pennington

Thole

 

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YUCK

[fapaholic]

And you are 100% right. Anyone who's ever played the middle infield in baseball is taught to go back hard on a pop-up until you're called off by an outfielder. Obviously, Pillar called for the ball and Tulo didn't hear him, no doubt because he was calling for it himself. As they say, s*** happens sometimes. This is unfortunate, but as soon as Pillar called for it, it was his ball, and it's flat out ridiculous to blame him.

 

I still haven't seen a replay where it's obvious Pillar was calling for it. He makes no motion to indicate he's calling for it and it doesn't look like he says anything for the last several steps.

Could be wrong though.

 

The play was right in front of him, just needed to check.

[burlingtonbandit]

It is interesting to think about which one improve Jays team more in the playoffs. If you had to pick one or the other which one do you pick? This is for the playoffs only mind you.

 

A) Stroman with Pennington playing instead of Tulo at 2nd Base.

 

Tulo at SS with no Stroman in the roatation and likely Estrada in the playoff rotation.

 

I think Option A might increase your chances in the playoffs but Option B would be better over the full regular season.

[pickoff22]

Ugh so no EE while going bottom 4 of Pillar/Goins/Pennington/Thole tm... not looking forward to that, but I guess we won the series already and can't really force the issue at this point.

 

On the positive side at least Martin picked the right time to start contributing again. Same with Smoak to a degree, he seems to be turning it around slightly at the plate as of late. Hope those two keep it up because we really need them down the stretch now.

 

At least we have an off day and then play the Braves, if we need to sit EE for a few days so be it.

[burlingtonbandit]

A possible tomorrow lineup of:

Revere

Donaldson

Bautista

Smoak

Colabello

Goins

Pillar

Pennington

Thole

 

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YUCK

 

Still better than a lot of MLB teams lol.

[pickoff22]

Some people act as if losing Tulo is meh....no big deal. This is one of the top Shortstops in MLB and he isn't just interchangeable with Goins or Pennington. Just because he hasn't hit a ton yet doesn't mean he can't or wouldn't have at some point. He is a serious threat in our line up and a significant presence.

 

I realize there is nothing we can do about it, but its a major loss imo that hurts us significantly. Not going to sugar coat it.

 

I don't think anyone thinks that it's no big deal (at least no one should), but it's not a time to hit the panic button and assume this team can't win all of a sudden. We've been crushing it with a under-performing Tulo for the past month and a half so as much as it sucks, we just have to move on and realize we have plenty of talent to win games still.

[EMK19]

It is interesting to think about which one improve Jays team more in the playoffs. If you had to pick one or the other which one do you pick? This is for the playoffs only mind you.

 

A) Stroman with Pennington playing instead of Tulo at 2nd Base.

 

Tulo at SS with no Stroman in the roatation and likely Estrada in the playoff rotation.

 

I think Option A might increase your chances in the playoffs but Option B would be better over the full regular season.

 

Well, I would like to think that our offence was always good enough, even before the Tulo trade was made and we started going on our huge run... if we see Revere as basically having equally replaced what Reyes was doing on offence when he was here (Revere's actually been better hitting wise than him, if anything) then our overall lineup isn't too different from earlier on in the year where we were still the best offence, while being more solid on Defence now (Where Goins/Pennington>>>Reyes at SS and Revere>Cola/Valencia at LF), so I'd probably have to take A over B here at this point as being more preferable.

[Trouba95]

A possible tomorrow lineup of:

Revere

Donaldson

Bautista

Smoak

Colabello

Goins

Pillar

Pennington

Thole

 

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YUCK

 

Where have you been, man? Haven't seen you posting for a few days or so.

[FrozenRopes]

There is something to be said for the chemistry of this group. Losing Tulo sucks (I had a similar injury after a motorcycle accident, he is done for the year) and hopefully EE is day to day, but these guys play hard for each other. They will play in honour of their injured teammates.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well, I would like to think that our offence was always good enough, even before the Tulo trade was made and we started going on our huge run... if we see Revere as basically having equally replaced what Reyes was doing on offence when he was here (Revere's actually been better hitting wise than him, if anything) then our overall lineup isn't too different from earlier on in the year where we were still the best offence, while being more solid on Defence now (Where Goins/Pennington>>>Reyes at SS and Revere>Cola/Valencia at LF), so I'd probably have to take A over B here at this point as being more preferable.

 

I don't think you look at it like that comparing what happened in the past. You have to look at it solely as: Is Stro, Pennington better than Tulo, the pitcher replacing Stroman.

[Belliss101]

Where have you been, man? Haven't seen you posting for a few days or so.

 

I coach a hockey team. We're in a tournament since Wednesday.

[Drumcliff]

I still haven't seen a replay where it's obvious Pillar was calling for it. He makes no motion to indicate he's calling for it and it doesn't look like he says anything for the last several steps.

Could be wrong though.

 

The play was right in front of him, just needed to check.

 

My friend, no disrespect, but this is professional baseball. Any player who doesn't call it on a ball in the air doesn't last long in the game. You learn it at an early level. Believe me, whether you can tell by replay or not, Pillar called for it, which then made it his ball.

 

Also, the reason it's understood that it's the outfielder's ball on a play like this is exactly so you don't have to check to see where other players (i.e., infielders) are. Once you look up, you run a pretty basic risk of missing the ball. This play was unfortunate, but it happens. Hopefully, Tulo won't be long in recovery.

[Baseball Player]

A possible tomorrow lineup of:

Revere

Donaldson

Bautista

Smoak

Colabello

Goins

Pillar

Pennington

Thole

 

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YUCK

 

Top 5 is still aight, I think we could sweep them still after these 2 devastating loses for them today

[nextyear]

I have watched the video replay a few times - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T6Gqglg32c . Goins was initially calling for the ball with his hand up, and Tulowitzki then called off Goins (you can see in the replay Tulowitzki calling off Goins), however, I don't see any motion by Pillar that he was calling for the ball. Pillar might have been too far back to hear Tulowitzki call for the ball. It seemed like Pillar decided it was his ball and was going to take it no matter what. Pillar seems to play defense the way he bats; any ball he can get to, he is going to take regardless, just like any ball he can hit he is going to swing at, even if it is an obvious ball. Maybe the injury to Tulowitzki will change Pillar's reckless behavior before he kills someone (it is a tough way to learn for the Blue Jays).

 

Losing Tulowitzki will hurt especially since it looked like he was starting to get into an offensive groove recently.

 

Kevin Pillar should he hitting better, if he could return to his June production then that would make up offensively for Tulowitzki's loss; but Pillar is an exasperating player, he could have gotten an RBI by drawing a walk on obvious balls in extra innings in game 1, but instead he seemed to intentionally swing at crap so that he would get his chance to hit the ball (instead I think he struck out). Pillar should be a good hitter but his lack of plate discipline is maddening.

[G-Snarls]

Lott write-up on the injury:

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/toronto-blue-jays-shortstop-troy-tulowitzki-leaves-game-vs-new-york-yankees-after-collision-with-kevin-pillar

[Spanky99]

He's f***ed.

[Jimcanuck]

My friend, no disrespect, but this is professional baseball. Any player who doesn't call it on a ball in the air doesn't last long in the game. You learn it at an early level. Believe me, whether you can tell by replay or not, Pillar called for it, which then made it his ball.

 

Also, the reason it's understood that it's the outfielder's ball on a play like this is exactly so you don't have to check to see where other players (i.e., infielders) are. Once you look up, you run a pretty basic risk of missing the ball. This play was unfortunate, but it happens. Hopefully, Tulo won't be long in recovery.

 

virtually any other CF'er and there is no collision. pillar is a reckless hothead. Boxy and Ang agree.

[G-Snarls]

virtually any other CF'er and there is no collision. pillar is a reckless hothead. Boxy and Ang agree.

 

But what does Zaun think

[Atothe]

Pillar should be a boxer, he has a strong chin

[Angrioter]

Tulo maybe is done for the season. We need to add a SS

[flafson]

Tulo maybe is done for the season. We need to add a SS

 

Hopefully just the regular season...

[G-Snarls]

Travis is totally done right?

 

Would have been much easier to absorb if we could go Goins SS, Travis 2B, Pennington bench

[ValiantJaysFan]

But what does Zaun think

 

It's Sunday morning. Can you smell that roast?

[Daniel Labude]

Tulo being out 2-3 weeks is not good. Hopefully Edwin gets back soon.