Stroman - bad rehab start

[baloojayz]

IMO Jays don't really have any option but to put Stroman in the starting rotation and cross fingers. Without Stroman the playoff rotation is Price and 3 borderline guys.

 

There is no reason to think that Stroman is miles better.

[Jimcanuck]

There is no reason to think that Stroman is miles better.

 

dont yet know what stroman will bring... which is the whole point of giving him some starts down the stretch

[gruber92]

There is no reason to think that Stroman is miles better.

 

If Stroman can get in 4-5 starts before the end of the season, i think that will be enough seasoning to make him our #2 heading into the playoffs. That being said, i'm not sure if it's wise to start him this Saturday in NY this early in his return. I think i would push his first start to Tuesday in Atlanta and go from there. He's more valuable as a starter in the stretch run and in the playoffs.

[flafson]

If Stroman can get in 4-5 starts before the end of the season, i think that will be enough seasoning to make him our #2 heading into the playoffs. That being said, i'm not sure if it's wise to start him this Saturday in NY this early in his return. I think i would push his first start to Tuesday in Atlanta and go from there. He's more valuable as a starter in the stretch run and in the playoffs.

 

Problem is, if it's not him then it's Buehrle and the Yankees own him big time.

[Trouba95]

Go with Stro this weekend and hope he gives the team a chance to win. Never know what can happen.

[gruber92]

Problem is, if it's not him then it's Buehrle and the Yankees own him big time.

 

Yeah but what message does this send to Buehrle? He's been grinding it out all year and then you tell him he's being bumped from a huge start in favor for a second year pitcher making his third start from an injury? Could cause problems, plus it's not guaranteed Buehrle gets rocked in NY. I think he can give us a 6IP 3ER type start.

 

Edit.. I would start Navarro behind the plate with Buehrle on Saturday.

[Trouba95]

Buehrle will give up more than 3 runs with that short porch. He's done.

[baloojayz]

Buehrle will give up more than 3 runs with that short porch. He's done.

 

Isn't this the ideal scenario though? Buehrle starts, if he is clearly struggling, bring in Stroman from the pen and let him get some work in. Buehrle and Hutch are ideal candidates.

[PhillyBlueJay]

No... it's not tough at all. Buerhle is hurt, hutch has sucked, and Estrada is about to run out of luck any day now. If Stroman really is healthy, it's worth the risk.

 

 

well logic dicatates thinking long term and playoffs.... Buerhle, Estrada have started to run out of gas and if you want 2 of those along with Price being at the top of their game you have to look at additional rest. Why not think ahead of long series and playoffs and now go to a six man rotation for 3 turns beginning in New York.

 

This will give the team some time to plan out playoff roatation and who is sharpest, much needed rest, and plan rotation around potential Wild Card game with Price having 5 days rest prior to the start if they do not win the division.

[Trouba95]

If we don't win the division, we'll get to play KC!!! Would love that.

[JaysAllMighty]

If we don't win the division, we'll get to play KC!!! Would love that.

 

IF we win that one wild card game.

[RealAccountant]

If we don't win the division, we'll get to play KC!!! Would love that.

 

For f*** sakes relax we will win the division you have my heard

[CJ-Freeway]

Make him start instead of Hutch. The outcome will still be better.

[baloojayz]

If we don't win the division, we'll get to play KC!!! Would love that.

 

Man, that will be a pretty ugly series and entertaining at the same time.

[burlingtonbandit]

There is no reason to think that Stroman is miles better.

 

well last year would say so.

[Mozzer]

Let him take Hutchs road starts. Or throw him in the pen. What will likely happen is that he will pitch in NY and regardless of how he fares, he's bringing controversy to the mix because somebody from the starting rotation is about to lose a playoff roster spot.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Scott Ferguson on TSN doesn't think Stroman is ready to return to the big leagues after today's start. I wonder if they use him out of the pen at least to begin with.

[Daniel Labude]

Scott Ferguson on TSN doesn't think Stroman is ready to return to the big leagues after today's start. I wonder if they use him out of the pen at least to begin with.

 

Starter

[reedjohnsonfan]

Starter

 

AA said that a long time ago. Things change. Ferguson was actually in attendance for Stroman's start, as were plenty of Jays' scouts. Who knows if they give him a few mop up innings to see where he's at.

[Boxcar]

Scott Ferguson on TSN doesn't think Stroman is ready to return to the big leagues after today's start. I wonder if they use him out of the pen at least to begin with.

 

Anyone who had a change of heart based on one AAA start (and simply stat scouting his line, to boot) is a complete moron.

[Atothe]

Anyone who had a change of heart based on one AAA start (and simply stat scouting his line, to boot) is a complete moron.

 

you're making too much sense, beat it you sense maker

[HERPDERP]

The guy has only had two outings against live action. There is no question that at his best, Stroman is right behind Price. But he's not at his best at the moment. He may need fine tuning.

 

You guys expect him to be able to strike out 8 guys in 5 innings right away. Yeah he didn't have an arm injury, and he's been throwing since Spring, but we are clearly rushing.

[ValiantJaysFan]

It's too bad he couldn't have another AAA start, but it is what it is. He's basically like a pitcher coming right out of Spring Training and jumping right into a pennant race. Usually pitchers have a bit of an advantage in April and May as the hitters try to sort out their timing, but this obviously will not be the case with Stroman. I'd stick him in the bullpen to come in and save either Buerhle or Hutch -- one of the two will get bombed -- and then maybe start him in Atlanta where the game means a little bit less because it's not the Yankees, and the Braves suck. See how that goes, then go from there.

[puphood]

and Buehrle went 3.1 5ER 0K today. Honestly that was probably as 'bad' as you'll see Stroman and his first real test in months. I'm not worried, 5Ks is still very promising, especially afterward he said he felt good out there.

He was pitching to a picked over soft ball team and 4 walks does not look promising except to the NYY.

[CHRIS]

Zaun was pretty insufferable on Tim and Sid:

- Can't take Hutch out of rotation because Wins

- Can't take Estrada out because ERA

- Can't take MB out because Veteran/Disrespect

- Altering the rotation by using Stroman is the same thing as starting to use Jeff Francis in the 8th inning

 

I do agree with his point though that this decision should be about the 2015 Jays. It's just odd that he would be so emphatic about that, but then insist that you have to continue with the guys that got us to this point, regardless of how they are trending.

[dineke]

AA said that a long time ago. Things change. Ferguson was actually in attendance for Stroman's start, as were plenty of Jays' scouts. Who knows if they give him a few mop up innings to see where he's at.

 

Ferguson is no scout. Who cares what he thinks.

[Atothe]

The guy has only had two outings against live action. There is no question that at his best, Stroman is right behind Price. But he's not at his best at the moment. He may need fine tuning.

 

You guys expect him to be able to strike out 8 guys in 5 innings right away. Yeah he didn't have an arm injury, and he's been throwing since Spring, but we are clearly rushing.

 

Stroman isn't a strike out guy, he just gets guys out. All he has to do is not walk dudes

[ValiantJaysFan]

Zaun was pretty insufferable on Tim and Sid:

- Can't take Hutch out of rotation because Wins

- Can't take Estrada out because ERA

- Can't take MB out because Veteran/Disrespect

- Altering the rotation by using Stroman is the same thing as starting to use Jeff Francis in the 8th inning

 

I do agree with his point though that this decision should be about the 2015 Jays. It's just odd that he would be so emphatic about that, but then insist that you have to continue with the guys that got us to this point, regardless of how they are trending.

 

The one thing though is he's coming from a player's perspective and how it's going to be received in the clubhouse...I kind of get what he's saying about pissing off Buerhle. Hutch would be the guy I'd replace though.

[G-Snarls]

MLB.com:

 

 

 

PAWTUCKET, R.I. -- Marcus Stroman didn't hesitate one second when asked if he's ready to join the Blue Jays' rotation following Monday's rehab start for Triple-A Buffalo against Pawtucket.

"I'm 100 percent," said Stroman, who according to Sportsnet was called up by Toronto along with Steve Delabar and Matt Hague following Monday's 11-4 loss to the Red Sox. The Blue Jays have not confirmed the report.

 

"I know some people are going to say he didn't have a good start," Stroman said. "But stuff-wise, arm-wise, knee-wise and health-wise, I'm ready to go. I feel great. It's just a matter of getting up there, getting into the bullpen, fine-tuning and I'll be ready to go."

 

Stroman blew out his left ACL early in Spring Training and underwent surgery by Dr. James Andrews in March. The initial prognosis was that Stroman would be out for the season. But physicians gave him approval to begin throwing from a mound in August.

 

What makes Stroman's recovery all the more remarkable is that, since 1990, 11 Major League pitchers have had surgery to repair torn ACLs. But only two right-handers, Paul Maholm and John Parrish, tore their left ACL -- their landing leg, which is the case with Stroman.

 

Stroman was scheduled to throw 85 pitches, but departed after throwing 81 -- only 46 of which were strikes. In three innings, he allowed eight hits and four runs (all earned) replete with four walks and five strikeouts.

 

"My arm felt great and my knee felt great," Stroman said. "The results didn't say so. But my stuff felt unreal.

 

"It's the best my knee has felt. My knee's been making gains over the course of time. I was up in the zone … rushing it a little bit and a little quick. My stuff was a little elevated but that's stuff that can be adjusted in the bullpen."

 

Stroman made his first rehab start Sept. 2 for Class A Lansing against Great Lakes. He didn't allow a hit over 4 2/3 innings and fanned seven while only walking one. He extricated himself from a first-inning jam during which he allowed three singles but zero runs.

 

Pawtucket tagged Stroman for two runs on two hits and two walks in the second. The PawSox added two more runs in the third on three hits plus two walks. But, overall, he stranded seven base runners.

 

Arguably the most impressive play made by Stroman had nothing to do with his pitches.

 

With PawSox on first and second and one out in the first, he fielded a bouncer off the bat of Chris Marrero and fired a strike to third that forced Marco Hernandez.

 

"I haven't had many of those," Stroman said. "I want to face adversity now. I don't want adversity to be the first time I face it in the big leagues.

 

"I had to battle today. I had to battle with guys on. I had to pitch from the stretch. I was able to bounce off the mound and that felt great, turning to third and making that play. That's almost the same play where I tore my ACL going that way."

 

The memory of that play during which he tore his ACL is ancient history as far as Stroman is concerned.

 

"I'm completely past it," he said. "My knee is 100 percent. I'm ready to go."

 

According to published reports, Toronto manager John Gibbons is contemplating giving Mark Buehrle an extra day of rest and starting Stroman on Saturday in New York against the Yankees.

 

On Monday morning, Gibbons said that decision would be a group effort, involving both pitching coach Pete Walker and general manager Alex Anthopolous.

 

"We'll have a little bit of arguing," Gibbons said. "You don't know if you get a great read. It's the last game of the [bisons'] season. Guys go up there swinging. But there will be people there watching it to see how he looks.

 

"Pete Walker said [stroman] threw his bullpen the other day. He couldn't believe how good it was. And he's seen it before. A lot of guys are good in the bullpen, but there's something different about him, he said."

 

Stroman was expected to return to Boston on Monday evening and won't pitch for the next few days regardless of whether he ends up in the rotation or the bullpen. The 24-year-old went 11-6 with a 3.65 ERA in 26 appearances (20 starts) for Toronto last season.

 

"I don't know what the call is, but I'm ready to start -- 100 percent," Stroman said. "My arm's ready. Obviously I was at 80 pitches today even though it was only three. But I had to face adversity and that was good.

 

"It was good to battle and have to make pitches rather than have smooth sailing. Everything checks out and I'm ready for the next one."

[Followthelight]

Zaun was pretty insufferable on Tim and Sid:

- Can't take Hutch out of rotation because Wins

- Can't take Estrada out because ERA

- Can't take MB out because Veteran/Disrespect

- Altering the rotation by using Stroman is the same thing as starting to use Jeff Francis in the 8th inning

 

I do agree with his point though that this decision should be about the 2015 Jays. It's just odd that he would be so emphatic about that, but then insist that you have to continue with the guys that got us to this point, regardless of how they are trending.

 

I like Zaun but yeah I often don;t agree with him.