AL MVP....Donaldson or Trout???

[Laika]

If I were AA, I'd be offering Donaldson something like this. You save a bit of money up front while you're still paying JB and EE, and the backload won't look so bad in a few years with inflation assuming he remains a 4ish WAR player by then.

 

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[TD=align: right]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$10,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$110,000,000

 

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[/TR]

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Add two more years @ 25M and maybe it opens a conversation.

[Ehjays]

If the Blue Jays try to extend Donaldson this offseason and his camp's #1 priority is money, then it would be hard to argue that he's not worth something similar to the mega-deals given to Cano and Votto.

 

Votto got 10/$225M starting in his age 30 season.

Cano got 10/$240 starting in his age 31 season.

 

It would be a tricky proposition to try to get Donaldson to sign anything that doesn't involve Toronto tacking 7 guaranteed years after his remaining 3 arb years (which would obviously be replaced by guaranteed money).

 

Of course, not all players and not all negotiators are created equal. Donaldson might be in love with Toronto at this point and eager to finish his career here (or not).

 

You can also do creative things with options in order to redistribute risk and exposure, such as guarantee less money overall but give him an opt out, etc.

 

No to 10 years

 

the Reds will regret that Votto deal

[L54]

HUHHHH? I don't think anyone would accept that. Trading a cost-controlled superstar is never a good decision.

 

Pretty obvious BB wasn't going to be able to afford Donaldson year to year.

[Dr. Dinger]

No to 10 years

 

the Reds will regret that Votto deal

 

And the Cano deal is the worst in baseball.

[Dr. Dinger]

Pretty obvious BB wasn't going to be able to afford Donaldson year to year.

 

Even poor teams can afford one player making $20M a year.

[Brownie19]

Jesus Votto has been the BOSS this year. Hey Brandon Phillips - stick it!

[L54]

Even poor teams can afford one player making $20M a year.

 

Sure they can, but they apparently don't seem interested going that route. I understand why he moved him, and it's unfortunate he is forced to work within those parameters.

 

I find it really hard to believe another team wouldn't have offered multiple pieces better than what he returned.

[RealAccountant]

Just use Donaldson for two more years and then unload him for good prospects

[saskjayfan]

No to 10 years

 

the Reds will regret that Votto deal

 

people jumped the gun a bit last year when votto had some injury issues saying he'd never be the same player or never stay healthy....he's bounced back pretty good this year.

[dineke]

Votto is generational hitter, I wouldn't be surprised if he still produces into his late 30s.

[Governator]

Just use Donaldson for two more years and then unload him for good prospects

 

So you can have one of the best positional players in 2018 at a bargain price surrounded by studs with hopes of being a very competitive team and you'd rather sell him off for prospects? If a deal can't be worked out in advance we don't need to recoup the prospects lost for him, use every last drop of value out of him to win because that's why we got him.

[burlingtonbandit]

If I were AA, I'd be offering Donaldson something like this. You save a bit of money up front while you're still paying JB and EE, and the backload won't look so bad in a few years with inflation assuming he remains a 4ish WAR player by then.

 

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[TR]

[TD=align: right]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$10,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$110,000,000

 

[/TD]

[/TR]

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I really don't think Donaldson would accept that. He's probably going to want his FA years at 30+million and honestly I don't blame him for wanting that much. Just guessing here but I doubt Donaldson would take a hometown discount he seems like the kind of guy who is willing to bet on himself. The way the game is going right now I wouldn't be surprised if FA is 10-12 million/Win by 2018. If Donaldson is a 5 Win player by then he probably gets 160-180 million on a 5 year deal.

[Governator]

I really don't think Donaldson would accept that. He's probably going to want his FA years at 30+million and honestly I don't blame him for wanting that much. Just guessing here but I doubt Donaldson would take a hometown discount he seems like the kind of guy who is willing to bet on himself. The way the game is going right now I wouldn't be surprised if FA is 10-12 million/Win by 2018. If Donaldson is a 5 Win player by then he probably gets 160-180 million on a 5 year deal.

 

@ $36MM AAV that's more than 50% of the bottom team's entire payroll and 20% more than Kershaw during arguably JD's declining years? Seems outrageous but I can't predict the future.

[burlingtonbandit]

@ $36MM AAV that's more than 50% of the bottom team's entire payroll and 20% more than Kershaw during arguably JD's declining years? Seems outrageous but I can't predict the future.

 

The 2nd Tulo contract seemed insane at the time and now it is below market value. When Bryce Harper gets 400-500 million in FA the contracts for Star players will skyrocket. Obviously I can't predict the future but I just think MLB is doing really well financially and the contracts are going to keep going higher and higher.

 

Yu Darvish contract is nothing compared to what he would of got if he came over now.

[HERPDERP]

I'm not up for resigning Josh Donaldson. We have him for what, 3 more years? 2 more years? He'll be 32 by that end and will ask for a 10 year deal. Nope.

 

edit: extending

[youngtea]

To Rogers at this point it depends on how much money they can make with a post season run. If they make an extra $50 million this year our salary cap for next year will see a large boost.

[Governator]

The 2nd Tulo contract seemed insane at the time and now it is below market value. When Bryce Harper gets 400-500 million in FA the contracts for Star players will skyrocket. Obviously I can't predict the future but I just think MLB is doing really well financially and the contracts are going to keep going higher and higher.

 

Yu Darvish contract is nothing compared to what he would of got if he came over now.

 

 

Actually Yu Darvish probably wouldn't get much more today considering he set the bar coming over. The real reason he'd get more would be more to do with the lower posting fees than anything but I get your point.

[L54]

Spending money does not have a direct impact on winning. I don't know why people are so eager to see this "large" payroll boost from Rogers. Spending $200M on David Price is very unlikely to be the move that propels the Jays into perennial contention. It also is unlikely that it's the best way to spend $30M next season alone. Three months of success at the gates does not equate to a perpetual top 5 payroll.

 

The goal should be to build an organization that competes year in and year out. All this ******** talk about "how we haven't won in two decades so might as well blow the wad now" is complete garbage. Not to mention, a good chunk of the money coming off the books this year is going to evaporate through arb and salary increases.

 

Nobody is going to care or stop coming to games next year if David Price is gone and the Jays are still playoff contenders. This is a very plausible scenario, especially with the addition of a couple good FA signings. People will stop coming to the games however if the Jays become the Phillies. That being said, the addition of Shapiro makes me as confident in the direction of this team as I've ever been.

[admin]

Spending money does not have a direct impact on winning. I don't know why people are so eager to see this "large" payroll boost from Rogers. Spending $200M on David Price is very unlikely to be the move that propels the Jays into perennial contention. It also is unlikely that it's the best way to spend $30M next season alone. Three months of success at the gates does not equate to a perpetual top 5 payroll.

 

The goal should be to build an organization that competes year in and year out. All this ******** talk about "how we haven't won in two decades so might as well blow the wad now" is complete garbage. Not to mention, a good chunk of the money coming off the books this year is going to evaporate through arb and salary increases.

 

Nobody is going to care or stop coming to games next year if David Price is gone and the Jays are still playoff contenders. This is a very plausible scenario, especially with the addition of a couple good FA signings. People will stop coming to the games however if the Jays become the Phillies. That being said, the addition of Shapiro makes me as confident in the direction of this team as I've ever been.

 

Guarantee some will. Some casual fans will be pissed if Price isn't back and think we don't have a chance anymore. Guarantee it. Not saying majority, but there will be some that think this way.

[BTS]

Spending money does not have a direct impact on winning. I don't know why people are so eager to see this "large" payroll boost from Rogers. Spending $200M on David Price is very unlikely to be the move that propels the Jays into perennial contention. It also is unlikely that it's the best way to spend $30M next season alone. Three months of success at the gates does not equate to a perpetual top 5 payroll.

 

The goal should be to build an organization that competes year in and year out. All this ******** talk about "how we haven't won in two decades so might as well blow the wad now" is complete garbage. Not to mention, a good chunk of the money coming off the books this year is going to evaporate through arb and salary increases.

 

Nobody is going to care or stop coming to games next year if David Price is gone and the Jays are still playoff contenders. This is a very plausible scenario, especially with the addition of a couple good FA signings. People will stop coming to the games however if the Jays become the Phillies. That being said, the addition of Shapiro makes me as confident in the direction of this team as I've ever been.

 

This is a very good post.

[Krylian]

Spending money does not have a direct impact on winning. I don't know why people are so eager to see this "large" payroll boost from Rogers. Spending $200M on David Price is very unlikely to be the move that propels the Jays into perennial contention. It also is unlikely that it's the best way to spend $30M next season alone. Three months of success at the gates does not equate to a perpetual top 5 payroll.

 

The goal should be to build an organization that competes year in and year out. All this ******** talk about "how we haven't won in two decades so might as well blow the wad now" is complete garbage. Not to mention, a good chunk of the money coming off the books this year is going to evaporate through arb and salary increases.

 

Nobody is going to care or stop coming to games next year if David Price is gone and the Jays are still playoff contenders. This is a very plausible scenario, especially with the addition of a couple good FA signings. People will stop coming to the games however if the Jays become the Phillies. That being said, the addition of Shapiro makes me as confident in the direction of this team as I've ever been.

 

I'm not sure you're as much of a contender if you let Price walk and don't replace him with an equal caliber of ace.

[L54]

Guarantee some will. Some casual fans will be pissed if Price isn't back and think we don't have a chance anymore. Guarantee it. Not saying majority, but there will be some that think this way.

 

And if the Jays are in first place again come September 2016 they will have forgotten.

 

I should've said 99.9%

[BTS]

I'm not sure you're as much of a contender if you let Price walk and don't replace him with an equal caliber of ace.

 

Of course you're not. This team right now is elite. It's not built to be as good in April 2016 as it was in September/August 2015. And it probably won't be as good in April 2017 as it was in April 2016.

[dineke]

I'm not sure you're as much of a contender if you let Price walk and don't replace him with an equal caliber of ace.

 

They've been a contender with Price only pitching 6 games... and he'll be replaced by Stroman basically.

[admin]

I know past is past, but man, without that Dickey trade we have Thor and TDA for years to come. That would be insane. Thor, Stroman, a decent FA and we're laughing for years to come.

[burlingtonbandit]

Guarantee some will. Some casual fans will be pissed if Price isn't back and think we don't have a chance anymore. Guarantee it. Not saying majority, but there will be some that think this way.

 

It'll be the same with Melky Cabrera last year. Casual fans were all like "We need to sign Melky". Then they didn't remember who he was after we signed Martin and traded for Donaldson.

[Sammy225]

It'll be the same with Melky Cabrera last year. Casual fans were all like "We need to sign Melky". Then they didn't remember who he was after we signed Martin and traded for Donaldson.

 

Ya but please don't compare Melk and Price lol...... The fall off of Melky was not a complete shocker.

[burlingtonbandit]

I know past is past, but man, without that Dickey trade we have Thor and TDA for years to come. That would be insane. Thor, Stroman, a decent FA and we're laughing for years to come.

 

You could do this game for every franchise in sports. What if the Jays didn't trade for Donaldson? What if they didn't trade for Tulo and we'd still be watching Reyes lose balls through his legs and barely get on base at the top of the order. I'll gladly take the trades AA has made as a whole considering all he's done.

[burlingtonbandit]

Ya but please don't compare Melk and Price lol...... The fall off of Melky was not a complete shocker.

 

Oh obviously they aren't even in the same league talent wise.. But all im saying is no one cares if the Jays are a winner at the end of the day. And people forget about players pretty quickly when their team is winning.

[L54]

I'm not sure you're as much of a contender if you let Price walk and don't replace him with an equal caliber of ace.

 

David Price is great, that is obvious. But by allocating some of the risk David Price @30M AAV over 7 years into a couple of FA starters at less money on shorter contracts you likely make yourself better in the short term, and the long term. You add quality arms to the starting rotation and create some depth that is more definitely going to be needed in 2016.

 

The same people who are calling for a Price signing will be the same ones calling for Rogers' head if we do, and in turn can't afford to sign or extend Donaldson. Becoming short sighted and focusing on next year alone hardly ever works out without some type of repercussions.