AL MVP....Donaldson or Trout???

[Dr. Dinger]

That was one of the best slides of the year, and I'm super thankful he didn't separate his shoulder.

[TBJ12]

Donaldson now tied with Harper at 7.6 WAR.

[BlueBirdBro]

Donaldson now tied with Harper at 7.6 WAR.

 

With a month to go still hnnnnnggggggg

[admin]

Still can't believe we traded for this guy for what we gave up. Oakland must be furious.

[Stangstag]

I really thought that Trout was going to take it... Not because Donaldson didn't deserve it, but because I thought it would be fairly close and they'd give it to Trout cause he's the golden boy. But Donaldson is pulling away now... To the point where I don't think they can vote Trout... Even if they really want to.

 

Yup. If the jays make the playoffs, it'll be Donaldson no question.

[L54]

Still can't believe we traded for this guy for what we gave up. Oakland must be furious.

 

Trading Donaldson wasn't the wrong move for Oakland, that part seems pretty widely accepted. The return still blows my mind though. It's almost impossible to believe someone else wouldn't have ponied up a better package than what the Jays gave up.

[Hipfan]

Its cuz the Tigers are having a terrible season. Same with Goldschmidt in the NL. You don't hear about players on crap teams. Votto is having an unreal season too.

Just read that Votto has an IBM of over .500 since the all star break. That's crazy.

[Followthelight]

Just read that Votto has an IBM of over .500 since the all star break. That's crazy.

 

IBM? Is that a super computer?

[burlingtonbandit]

Trading Donaldson wasn't the wrong move for Oakland, that part seems pretty widely accepted. The return still blows my mind though. It's almost impossible to believe someone else wouldn't have ponied up a better package than what the Jays gave up.

 

You'd have to think the dodgers would of traded Seager + other good players.

[Daniel Labude]

Trading Donaldson wasn't the wrong move for Oakland, that part seems pretty widely accepted. The return still blows my mind though. It's almost impossible to believe someone else wouldn't have ponied up a better package than what the Jays gave up.

 

Could have been the A's didn't want it to go public that they were trading Donaldson so they took a fair offer (final trade value hinges on if Barreto pans out) from the first team that asked.

[Slot Machine]

Its possible that Oakland was willing to negotiate with Toronto specifically because of AA's track record of not leaking information. I don't imagine they would want news that they where shopping Donaldson to get out in case nothing came of it.

[Candide]

so what happens in the offseason when Donaldson wins the MVP and demands a massive contract? the Jays have control for another four years - do they give him a massive 7 year contract (that he arguably deserves) or keep on singing one/two year deals with arbitration as a last resort until trying to sign him heading into the 2018 season?

 

sucks for Donaldson. if he broke into the league a season or two earlier, i don't think it would have stunted his potential. but it possibly cost him tens if not hundreds of millions by coming into the league full time at 25 years of age.

[Hipfan]

IBM? Is that a super computer?

 

Stupid auto correct...wrote that from my phone...should be OBP

[Stangstag]

so what happens in the offseason when Donaldson wins the MVP and demands a massive contract? the Jays have control for another four years - do they give him a massive 7 year contract (that he arguably deserves) or keep on singing one/two year deals with arbitration as a last resort until trying to sign him heading into the 2018 season?

 

sucks for Donaldson. if he broke into the league a season or two earlier, i don't think it would have stunted his potential. but it possibly cost him tens if not hundreds of millions by coming into the league full time at 25 years of age.

 

I don't see the jays giving him a big contract. We have enough of those. They'll probably sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal in the offseason.

[admin]

so what happens in the offseason when Donaldson wins the MVP and demands a massive contract? the Jays have control for another four years - do they give him a massive 7 year contract (that he arguably deserves) or keep on singing one/two year deals with arbitration as a last resort until trying to sign him heading into the 2018 season?

 

sucks for Donaldson. if he broke into the league a season or two earlier, i don't think it would have stunted his potential. but it possibly cost him tens if not hundreds of millions by coming into the league full time at 25 years of age.

 

I think he'll be okay.

[Dr. Dinger]

Trading Donaldson wasn't the wrong move for Oakland, that part seems pretty widely accepted

 

HUHHHH? I don't think anyone would accept that. Trading a cost-controlled superstar is never a good decision.

[admin]

I don't see the jays giving him a big contract. We have enough of those. They'll probably sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal in the offseason.

 

I disagree. I think they'll lock him up long term. Him and Tulo are our core for next 5+ years.

[Sammy225]

I can see the Jays trying to lock him up for 5 years possibly. It will be interesting to see what J.D wants to do though. He is not a free agent until he is 33 and it would be Risky to not take a big contract now and wait for is Free Agent Years when he maybe on his decline. I think if jays offer 5 years they will listen.

[Dr. Dinger]

so what happens in the offseason when Donaldson wins the MVP and demands a massive contract? the Jays have control for another four years - do they give him a massive 7 year contract (that he arguably deserves) or keep on singing one/two year deals with arbitration as a last resort until trying to sign him heading into the 2018 season?

 

sucks for Donaldson. if he broke into the league a season or two earlier, i don't think it would have stunted his potential. but it possibly cost him tens if not hundreds of millions by coming into the league full time at 25 years of age.

 

You can't just demand a massive contract, lol. He will go to arbitration and get a massive raise, as he should. I'm sure Anthopoulos will test the waters to talk about an extension, just as he probably will with Bautista and Encarnacion. If Donaldson wants Stanton/Trout money (as he by all rights should), then we'll probably just keep going to arbitration until his walk year.

[admin]

If he goes year to year he'll be 33 at free agency, would be a bad move on his part, good leverage by the Jays.

I guess even if Jays went year to year, they'd be in an okay position.

[Dr. Dinger]

I can see the Jays trying to lock him up for 5 years possibly. It will be interesting to see what J.D wants to do though. He is not a free agent until he is 33 and it would be Risky to not take a big contract now and wait for is Free Agent Years when he maybe on his decline. I think if jays offer 5 years they will listen.

 

Yes and no. He's going to make enough in arbitration this offseason to live off for the rest of his life, so it's not like he'll be strapped for cash at any point. Ryan Howard got $10M in arb after winning an MVP, so if you adjust for inflation, Donaldson will probably get $12M or so next year, plus raises in the subsequent arb years (assuming he doesn't completely fall apart). I don't see him accepting just a 5 year deal at this point.

[dineke]

You can't just demand a massive contract, lol. He will go to arbitration and get a massive raise, as he should. I'm sure Anthopoulos will test the waters to talk about an extension, just as he probably will with Bautista and Encarnacion. If Donaldson wants Stanton/Trout money (as he by all rights should), then we'll probably just keep going to arbitration until his walk year.

 

How much can a mvp get in arbitration?

[RealAccountant]

How much can a mvp get in arbitration?

 

Read above post

[Dr. Dinger]

How much can a mvp get in arbitration?

 

Hard to say with inflation but no less than $10M, and probably not as much as $15M, although he would have a compelling case if he files for that amount.

[Ehjays]

That's up to the arbitrator but its definitely in the favour of the player. Remember if something goes to arbitration then the player just has to be able to convince the arbitrator that he's worth more than the midpoint between the number he submitted and the number the team submitted. The arbitrator doesn't actually decide a dollar value between numbers,just decides whether the players number or the teams number gets used.

 

Like if Donaldson said he's worth 12 million, and the Jays say he's worth ... 8. Then all Donaldson would have to prove is that hes worth more than 10 and he would get 12. And yes I pulled those numbers out of thin air.

 

Usually in these cases clubs try to work out an extension cause they know what a player is worth.

AA is not a fool and will like to buy out his arb years

[Sammy225]

Yes and no. He's going to make enough in arbitration this offseason to live off for the rest of his life, so it's not like he'll be strapped for cash at any point. Ryan Howard got $10M in arb after winning an MVP, so if you adjust for inflation, Donaldson will probably get $12M or so next year, plus raises in the subsequent arb years (assuming he doesn't completely fall apart). I don't see him accepting just a 5 year deal at this point.

 

It is a unique situation thats for sure. But as the Jays is it worth it to give him a little more annually if it locks him up for another couple years. And is it worth it to J.D to do this. I don't know

[Dr. Dinger]

It is a unique situation thats for sure. But as the Jays is it worth it to give him a little more annually if it locks him up for another couple years. And is it worth it to J.D to do this. I don't know

 

If I were AA, I'd be offering Donaldson something like this. You save a bit of money up front while you're still paying JB and EE, and the backload won't look so bad in a few years with inflation assuming he remains a 4ish WAR player by then.

 

[TABLE=width: 219]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$10,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$110,000,000

 

[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[Sammy225]

If I were AA, I'd be offering Donaldson something like this. You save a bit of money up front while you're still paying JB and EE, and the backload won't look so bad in a few years with inflation assuming he remains a 4ish WAR player by then.

 

[TABLE=width: 219]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$10,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$110,000,000

 

[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

Makes a lot of sense to me

[Laika]

If the Blue Jays try to extend Donaldson this offseason and his camp's #1 priority is money, then it would be hard to argue that he's not worth something similar to the mega-deals given to Cano and Votto.

 

Votto got 10/$225M starting in his age 30 season.

Cano got 10/$240 starting in his age 31 season.

 

It would be a tricky proposition to try to get Donaldson to sign anything that doesn't involve Toronto tacking 7 guaranteed years after his remaining 3 arb years (which would obviously be replaced by guaranteed money).

 

Of course, not all players and not all negotiators are created equal. Donaldson might be in love with Toronto at this point and eager to finish his career here (or not).

 

You can also do creative things with options in order to redistribute risk and exposure, such as guarantee less money overall but give him an opt out, etc.

[Ehjays]

If I were AA, I'd be offering Donaldson something like this. You save a bit of money up front while you're still paying JB and EE, and the backload won't look so bad in a few years with inflation assuming he remains a 4ish WAR player by then.

 

[TABLE=width: 219]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2016[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$10,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2017[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2018[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$15,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$20,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=align: right]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: right]$25,000,000 [/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD=align: right]$110,000,000

 

[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

I like it.....keeping in mind that his arb years are 16-18, players want a going rate from free agency years. so 2019 may have to be higher. But right now is a crucial time. If you want to sign him to an extension, he is lovin Toronto right now so get her done AA