John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Trouba95]

Uhh derp, you realize base stealing is not automatic right?

 

Still would've taken a gamble.

[BigCecil]

I don't think anything Gibbons did affected the outcome much

 

If you want to 2nd guess not pinch hitting Goins late against a nasty LHP and maybe leaving Hawkins in one too many hitters after giving up 2 hard hit balls. But really...this is on the offense and and shaky first inning on D.

[RealAccountant]

Old man Hawkins was done when we acquired him

[havok24]

If you want to 2nd guess not pinch hitting Goins late against a nasty LHP and maybe leaving Hawkins in one too many hitters after giving up 2 hard hit balls. But really...this is on the offense and and shaky first inning on D.

 

Hawkins should have never entered the ball game before Hendriks.

[glory]

If you want to 2nd guess not pinch hitting Goins late against a nasty LHP and maybe leaving Hawkins in one too many hitters after giving up 2 hard hit balls. But really...this is on the offense and and shaky first inning on D.

 

Yep. I hate Gibbons but he didn't do anything wrong, other than maybe not trusting Cecil to start the 8th when he's equally effective against righties and lefties. Regardless, that 1st inning was an embarrassment, and that's what cost them the game. Price s***ing the bed in Game 1 cost them that one.

[RealAccountant]

Why didn't Smoak pinch hit for Goins

 

That one is just dumb. We had Pennington on the bench anyways.

[EMK19]

Not saying that this was the critical mistake of the day, but I did find it interesting that Cecil was allowed to remain on to face Napoli (and not Lowe when he had already been warm in the pen) when Gibby had been pretty consistent going with the lefty/lefty, righty/righty matchups whenever possible late in games all year. Did Napoli have bad career numbers vs. Cecil, or was it just that Gibby possibly wanted to get more than one inning out of Cecil on the day and just have him close it(Cecil obviously had been our best reliever coming in)?

[THANOS]

I'll just say this, if we end up winning Game 3 tomorrow, Gibby better use Price in Game 4. If he opts to use Dickey, then he deserves the heap of blame he'll get if we lose.

[Trouba95]

Not saying that this was the critical mistake of the day, but I did find it interesting that Cecil was allowed to remain on to face Napoli (and not Lowe when he had already been warm in the pen) when Gibby had been pretty consistent going with the lefty/lefty, righty/righty matchups whenever possible late in games all year. Did Napoli have bad career numbers vs. Cecil, or was it just that Gibby possibly wanted to get more than one inning out of Cecil on the day and just have him close it(Cecil obviously had been our best reliever coming in)?

 

Napoli was 2-17 off of Cecil before the AB. What bothered me most was Hawkins over Hendriks.

[KingKat]

Offense hit two massive blasts against Kaela. Game should have been over then and there. Jays hit warning track shots for outs, Texas hits two strike grounders for hits. The biggest factor in the loss was absolutely terrible, rotten, s*** luck. Edited October 10, 2015 by KingKat

[thatoneguy]

Offense hit two massive blasts against Kaela. Game should have been over then and there. Jays hit warning track shot for outs, Texas hits two strike grounders for hits. This biggest factor in the loss was absolutely terrible, rotten, s*** luck.

 

It has been undeniably s*** for both games now, it is really infuriating to watch.

[BigCecil]

Not saying that this was the critical mistake of the day, but I did find it interesting that Cecil was allowed to remain on to face Napoli (and not Lowe when he had already been warm in the pen) when Gibby had been pretty consistent going with the lefty/lefty, righty/righty matchups whenever possible late in games all year. Did Napoli have bad career numbers vs. Cecil, or was it just that Gibby possibly wanted to get more than one inning out of Cecil on the day and just have him close it(Cecil obviously had been our best reliever coming in)?

 

I can't question Cecil against a RHH the way he has been pitching. Not a chance. Nice call by Bannister to PH for Moreland knowing he had no chance. Hats off to Napoli. Nice piece of hitting....f***er.

[Stangstag]

Offense hit two massive blasts against Kaela. Game should have been over then and there. Jays hit warning track shots for outs, Texas hits two strike grounders for hits. The biggest factor in the loss was absolutely terrible, rotten, s*** luck.

 

Yup. That's baseball though. Also, the errors in the first inning really hurt.

 

Luck just isn't on our side so far this series.

[EMK19]

I can't question Cecil against a RHH the way he has been pitching. Not a chance. Nice call by Bannister to PH for Moreland knowing he had no chance. Hats off to Napoli. Nice piece of hitting....f***er.

 

Reading above it seemed like Cecil had good career numbers vs. Napoli also, in which case I suppose that was a fair go. Either way, I felt that it was the critical moment of the game... we had finally managed to take the lead after being down for all of game 1 and half of game 2, and to have our best reliever blow it (granted, it was an inherited run and not earned under Cecil), then to have him go off injured felt really demoralizing overall.

 

Ironic thing is that the two relievers we were worried about the most in Osuna and Sanchez both had great scoreless outings afterwards.

[BigCecil]

Reading above it seemed like Cecil had good career numbers vs. Napoli also, in which case I suppose that was a fair go. Either way, I felt that it was the critical moment of the game... we had finally managed to take the lead after being down for all of game 1 and half of game 2, and to have our best reliever blow it (granted, it was an inherited run and not earned under Cecil), then to have him go off injured felt really demoralizing overall.

 

Ironic thing is that the two relievers we were worried about the most in Osuna and Sanchez both had great scoreless outings afterwards.

 

The run Cecil has been on has been unworldly so I kinda throw career numbers out. He has been getting LH and RH hitters out mercilessly. Osuna and Sanchez were very good today.

[KingKat]

Everyone pitched well even Hawkins who got babiped to death on a two strike, two out ground balls.

[BigCecil]

Everyone pitched well even Hawkins who got babiped to death on a two strike, two out ground balls.

 

I have to look at those 3 hits again. I thought they were all pretty well struck liners? The 3rd was a BB to CF.

[Trouba95]

I have to look at those 3 hits again. I thought they were all pretty well struck liners? The 3rd was a BB to CF.

 

They were well-struck.

[Stangstag]

They were well-struck.

 

Hawkins is crap. Even his outs were scorched. Sanchez looked better than Osuna today. Lowe was also good.

[BigCecil]

Offense hit two massive blasts against Kaela. Game should have been over then and there. Jays hit warning track shots for outs, Texas hits two strike grounders for hits. The biggest factor in the loss was absolutely terrible, rotten, s*** luck.

 

JD,Jose,Edwin,Tulo,Martin were combined 3 for 27. Yes we had some long outs and strikes and one solo shot. But that's not just luck. It's lack of execution by our line up and some good pitching by the Rangers who got us to chase a ton.

[RIPEXPOS]

Bottom line is the whole resting Price, the MB fiasco, celebrating the ALEast victory like we won the world series, and then punting the AL LEAD....

 

Seems like god rotten strategy at this point.

[Daniel Labude]

It's a bad move to leave Cecil in. Yes he had been good against Napoli, but Napoli has been one of the best hitters against lefties entering the playoffs. Not worth the risk at that point when we had Sanchez and Lowe in the bullpen. Or just walk Napoli and pitch to the next righty who wasn't close to as good against lefties

[blurnandez]

Bottom line is the whole resting Price, the MB fiasco, celebrating the ALEast victory like we won the world series, and then punting the AL LEAD....

 

Seems like god rotten strategy at this point.

 

And those are the things that are gonna end up costing Gibbons his job.

[EMK19]

It's a bad move to leave Cecil in. Yes he had been good against Napoli, but Napoli has been one of the best hitters against lefties entering the playoffs. Not worth the risk at that point when we had Sanchez and Lowe in the bullpen. Or just walk Napoli and pitch to the next righty who wasn't close to as good against lefties

 

Gibby did get away from his usual pattern of pitting the proper righty/righty, lefty/lefty at the right time for most of the year, so I questioned it a lot at first as well, especially with Lowe already warm in the pen with another righty bat coming up after Napoli. But now I can understand that decision somewhat better after finding out that Cecil had been very good against Napoli (would have been a bad move if this wasn't the case), plus the fact that Cecil in general had been our best bullpen arm lately by far. Gibby took a chance by putting more weight into career numbers + Cecil's recent form and Bannister on his end took a chance as well by using Napoli who had been pretty bad against Cecil in his career yet hoping that the textbook lefty/righty matchup works out in his favour/or hoping that Napoli can hit Lowe if he had come in instead. There was bit of a risk on both ends and it just happened to work out in Bannister's favour this time.

[glory]

And those are the things that are gonna end up costing Gibbons his job.

 

If Alex is still the GM, then there's a better chance of Gibbons being extended than there is of him being let go.

 

I'm still hoping Shapiro hires his own guy and they start to make systematic changes to the organization from top to bottom, but that might be a pipe dream at this point.

[gbill2004]

Starting Buehrle in that last game to try and get to 200 innings was insane. Worst move ever. Players all said the right thing but they must have been thinking the Blue Jays organization is a joke. Price likely decided there's zero chance of re-signing with the Jays after that. That's part of what caused this 0-2 start to the playoffs.

 

Thanks a lot Gibby. You're fired. Worst move ever. He killed the teams momentum.

[candymartinez]

Bump

[over500]

what the f***.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Why pull dickey?

[Laika]

I'm sure there's a lot to the decision.

 

- Stroman is set up to be on regular rest for game 5.

- Price could conceivably pitch a bit today and still be available in relief on Wednesday if necessary.

- If you're going to use Price for handful of hitters in this game, you obviously want hitter #1 to be Choo so that he can face all of the middle order lefties.

- The times-through-the-order penalty is significant and there's really no reason to leave Dickey in until he gets in trouble.

 

I dunno. I don't think it's necessarily stupid.

 

Lock this one down, hand the ball to Stroman, win the series, then Price can line up to go twice in the ALCS.