Sanchez Performance To Date

[GD]

Didn't you say that Chris Johnson was one of the best hitters in baseball two years ago because he had a great "batting average"?

 

....Then uses JFaS system for DFS sports. Lmao.

 

 

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[Laika]

Hot take incoming - you can be a hardcore Jays fan who thinks that the best thing for both Aaron Sanchez and the team is for him to be a reliever ASAP.

 

You can also be a hardcore Jays fan and think that the best thing Toronto can do is sell Sanchez while he still has prospect allure.

[Orgfiller]

Here's the worst qualified pitcher by fWAR from 2010-2015, followed by Aaron Sanchez:

 

http://i.gyazo.com/908b064cda05333ade79c7cfa5d4a784.png

http://i.gyazo.com/34d20517b028fc3d9bc5870bdb367034.png

 

Almost forgot.

 

Franklin Morales career SwStr%: 8.4%

Aaron Sanchez career SwStr% (including his innings as a reliever): 6.2%

[Gorlak]

Would have went with lucky, but don't think a demotion is coming.

[theblujay]

Here's the worst qualified pitcher by fWAR from 2010-2015, followed by Aaron Sanchez:

 

http://i.gyazo.com/908b064cda05333ade79c7cfa5d4a784.png

http://i.gyazo.com/34d20517b028fc3d9bc5870bdb367034.png

 

Almost forgot.

 

Franklin Morales career SwStr%: 8.4%

Aaron Sanchez career SwStr% (including his innings as a reliever): 6.2%

 

Lol whats your point?

 

We all know Sanchez has had awful control so far and has lots to work on. He's also 22 and in his first full season in the pros and probably should be in the minors.

 

The hope is that he can improve his control, and then everything else he does well will make him a great pitcher

[GD]

Lol whats your point?

 

We all know Sanchez has had awful control so far and has lots to work on. He's also 22 and in his first full season in the pros and probably should be in the minors.

 

The hope is that he can improve his control, and then everything else he does well will make him a great pitcher

 

"Even though he's one of the worst pitchers in baseball, he can totally stop doing that since he's fairly young. It's entirely plausible he completely changes his pitching style and starts doing stuff he's literally never done or had any indication of doing before."

[Orgfiller]

Lol whats your point?

 

We all know Sanchez has had awful control so far and has lots to work on. He's also 22 and in his first full season in the pros and probably should be in the minors.

 

The hope is that he can improve his control, and then everything else he does well will make him a great pitcher

 

No, you're arguing that Sanchez has been good thus far because "his results are good", in other words, his ERA is low. The above post proves that he has worse peripherals except for GB% than the worst starter in the majors during the last 5 years. That is not a recipe for success; and it shows that Sanchez has not been improving or exceeding any expectations (unless you expected 10 BB/9).

 

No one here wants Sanchez to fail. That includes BTS, NJH and myself. We want the Blue Jays to be a better team, and employing Sanchez, who is clearly not an MLB-ready starter, is not how the team will consistently get wins.

[theblujay]

No, you're arguing that Sanchez has been good thus far because "his results are good", in other words, his ERA is low. The above post proves that he has worse peripherals except for GB% than the worst starter in the majors during the last 5 years. That is not a recipe for success; and it shows that Sanchez has not been improving or exceeding any expectations (unless you expected 10 BB/9).

 

No one here wants Sanchez to fail. That includes BTS, NJH and myself. We want the Blue Jays to be a better team, and employing Sanchez, who is clearly not an MLB-ready starter, is not how the team will consistently get wins.

 

Im saying #1 Sanchez has pitched poorly, but gotten good results so I'm happy.

#2 He will get better

[Orgfiller]

Im saying #1 Sanchez has pitched poorly, but gotten good results so I'm happy.

#2 He will get better

 

Please define 'results'. I want to be given a confirmation so that I don't have to keep responding.

[theblujay]

Please define 'results'. I want to be given a confirmation so that I don't have to keep responding.

 

The Jays ended up winning because he and the defense didn't allow a run

[saskjayfan]

His xFIP is almost 5. You can argue that he has a talent for inducing weak contact. You might be right. Maybe you project something like a 0.3 difference between his ERA and DIPS (which is higher than you would ever project). His current true talent is still like 4.6 in that extremely generous case. You can't run a 4.6 ERA guy out there every 5th day.

 

I was listening to MLB radio and one of the announcers who pitched in the mlb was talking about Sanchez was talking about his sinker and he said when he is throwing it down in the zone with that type of movement and the angle he creates it's almost impossible to hit it in the air. He went through a number of former pitchers who threw with a lot of movement and went through the time that it took for these pitchers to harness, understand and control that movement, but when they did they were devastating pitchers. He said when sanchez gets up in the zone and that movement flattens out he can get rocked, but his upside is tremendous.

 

I fully understand that Sanchez needs to reduce his walk rate, and improve all three pitches. People are trying to define what Sanchez is and will always be when the kid is 22. He literally is changing every start and what he is today could be very different that what he is mid season. You can't just judge young players solely with statistics. In his first couple starts Sanchez did not look good on the stat sheet, or with the eye test. He didn't have great movement and was leaving the ball up a lot. The last couple starts his pitches have been better quality pitches. He hasn't given up runs which means nothing to the guys who want to proclaim that he's been terrible, but what it has done is given the kid a boost confidence and this matters. This could help place a small building block on the road towards Sanchez improving on the road to which both statistical nerds and qualitative assessments with eventually come together in recognizing he's a pretty good pitcher. How long will it take for him to become a good pitcher...weeks, months, years, never...it's really not that easy to say. Baseball just isn't as easy as some who proclaim themselves to be "real fans" would like to believe.

[GD]

Im saying #1 Sanchez has pitched poorly, but gotten good results so I'm happy.

 

"Sanchez has been bad, but his defense looks good so I'm happy."

[saskjayfan]

Please define 'results'. I want to be given a confirmation so that I don't have to keep responding.

 

his ability to throw the ball in a fashion that prevents one of the best lineups in baseball from squaring up the ball, or is there no such thing...there's just luck?

[saskjayfan]

"Sanchez has been bad, but his defense looks good so I'm happy."

 

Sanchez hasn't been bad. He hasn't been good. He's somewhere in between. I really think he has gotten better as the season has progressed.

[theblujay]

his ability to throw the ball in a fashion that prevents one of the best lineups in baseball from squaring up the ball, or is there no such thing...there's just luck?

 

Don't bother arguing with this guy. He would be the one to come in after a no hitter and say "B-b-but his BABIP was 0.000 so it was an awful start"

[theblujay]

Sanchez hasn't been bad. He hasn't been good. He's somewhere in between. I really think he has gotten better as the season has progressed.

 

Yes thats the key, future improvement and showing flashes of what he could be.

[Jayday]

Anyone?

 

BTS, King, GD or any other minion wish to shed some light on this?

 

TIA..

Defensive WAR is s***, offensive WAR not far behind.

[Orgfiller]

The Jays ended up winning because he and the defense didn't allow a run

 

So you're saying Aaron Sanchez > Chris Sale and Corey Kluber this season, correct?

[theblujay]

So you're saying Aaron Sanchez > Chris Sale and Corey Kluber this season, correct?

 

No.

 

Im saying I'm happy with Sanchez's start yesterday

[Orgfiller]

Don't bother arguing with this guy. He would be the one to come in after a no hitter and say "B-b-but his BABIP was 0.000 so it was an awful start"

 

Essentially, Edwin Jackson's no-hitter is the best pitching performance of all time?

[BTS]

Defensive WAR is s***, offensive WAR not far behind.

 

What issues do you have with offensive WAR?

[saskjayfan]

Defensive WAR is s***, offensive WAR not far behind.

 

The Jays had a higher team WAR than KC last year. I'd be much happier to have a lower team WAR and make the playoffs this year. Sanchize can be the luckiest man on the planet as long as the jays make the playoffs....that's all I care about..lol

[theblujay]

Essentially, Edwin Jackson's no-hitter is the best pitching performance of all time?

 

No? But it was a good one

[BTS]

The Jays had a higher team WAR than KC last year. I'd be much happier to have a lower team WAR and make the playoffs this year. Sanchize can be the luckiest man on the planet as long as the jays make the playoffs....that's all I care about..lol

 

2014 fWAR

Kansas City = 38.6

Toronto = 35

[Orgfiller]

2014 fWAR

Kansas City = 38.6

Toronto = 35

 

Sometimes they just make it too easy for others to s*** on them.

[Nabru]

This board is funny to read. The same people make ridiculous statements and use outdated stats that Harold Reynolds wouldn't even use and then proceed to get embarrassed by the same people time and time again. It's like watching a bird fly into the window over and over and over.

[Boxcar]

This board is funny to read. The same people make ridiculous statements and use outdated stats that Harold Reynolds wouldn't even use and then proceed to get embarrassed by the same people time and time again. It's like watching a bird fly into the window over and over and over.

 

Their blissful ignorance leaves them incapable of feeling embarrassment.

[Boxcar]

Sanchez hasn't been bad. He hasn't been good. He's somewhere in between. I really think he has gotten better as the season has progressed.

 

Objectively, he's been bad. Judging performance on earned runs and batting average is how the Phillies were made.

 

I would rather have Brandon McCarthy's games over Sanchez's because more often than not, those are successful starts even though his earned runs were higher. You guys are so small minded it hurts.

 

Of course, I will brace myself for idiots who can't see past said earned runs to say I'd rather have a pitcher who lost games or whatever nonsense.

[KingKat]

You are a genius and have constructed a time machine, but you can only use it once and then you lose the machine and the knowledge of how to do it. The choice you have is as follows:

 

A) Go back to the 1930s and murder Hitler

Go back to 2000 and sabotage Anthopoulos' mailroom work with the Expos so they give him a bad reference

 

C) Convince George Lucas not to make those awful prequels (a.k.a. the Patton Oswalt option)

[Macsattack]

No, you're arguing that Sanchez has been good thus far because "his results are good", in other words, his ERA is low. The above post proves that he has worse peripherals except for GB% than the worst starter in the majors during the last 5 years. That is not a recipe for success; and it shows that Sanchez has not been improving or exceeding any expectations (unless you expected 10 BB/9).

 

No one here wants Sanchez to fail. That includes BTS, NJH and myself. We want the Blue Jays to be a better team, and employing Sanchez, who is clearly not an MLB-ready starter, is not how the team will consistently get wins.

 

Who should the Jays be replacing Sanchez with?????