Sanchez Performance To Date

[GD]

It kind of feels like the worse Goins is at hitting, the more highly people regard his defense because...I don't know

 

Kind of the catcher's fielding reputation problem

 

Can't hit? must be rlly good at defense

[Laika]

Sanchez turning into Joe Kelly would be a success story, and that makes me very sad, at a time when Noah Syndergaard has been summoned to the majors.

[Dick_Pole]

5 pages of this s*** lol

 

Nobody in their right mind can say that a pitcher who walks nearly a man an inning and walks about as much as he strikes out can say that he's pitching well. The only guy who I remember having any sort of success in the MLB with a walk rate like Sanchez is Mitch Williams, and that was greatly aided by his ability to pick guys off base.

 

The flip side being you don't toss away a guy who just threw 7 shut out innings. He had tough calls go against him and he pitched himself out of a jam he got himself into in a tight game at the time. He didn't lose his cool and his arm didn't fall off so he could throw what ended up being a pretty good game. So there is something there.

 

The solution to Sanchez is to let him pitch but give him a tight leash. He can have one, maybe two s***** games that's reflective of his poor K:BB ratio before he gets sent down. If he solves his control issues while keeping the team in his games, then all is good.

 

Personally I don't give a s*** if he walks 5 a game every start for the rest of the year if it results in 6+ innings and 3 or less runs given up in the bulk of them. Is last night sustainable? Very likely not. But who knows maybe the guy gets his rocks off walking lead off men and that extra shot of testosterone turns him into Superman on the mound.

[Laika]

You are a genius and have constructed a time machine, but you can only use it once and then you lose the machine and the knowledge of how to do it. The choice you have is as follows:

 

A) Go back to the 1930s and murder Hitler

Go back to 2000 and sabotage Anthopoulos' mailroom work with the Expos so they give him a bad reference

[Nox]

His change up and fastball command needs to improve

 

Oh, just fastball command. Well then.

[saskjayfan]

Oh, just fastball command. Well then.

 

I think the changeup is an important pitch for him long term. If he was getting killed in the MLB you would probably send him down as his confidence wouldn't be there. He's getting results and being far from perfect. If anything this is good for his confidence, and I don't see a reason to send him down until he starts giving up a lot of runs.

[Dick_Pole]

You are a genius and have constructed a time machine, but you can only use it once and then you lose the machine and the knowledge of how to do it. The choice you have is as follows:

 

A) Go back to the 1930s and murder Hitler

Go back to 2000 and sabotage Anthopoulos' mailroom work with the Expos so they give him a bad reference

 

Let's hope for those people who pick B they also help the Jays hire a GM who can restock the farm as fast as he can trade it away. If Ricciardi was still heading up the Jays A.J. Jimenez would be this team's best prospect.

[Orgfiller]

I think the changeup is an important pitch for him long term. If he was getting killed in the MLB you would probably send him down as his confidence wouldn't be there. He's getting results and being far from perfect. If anything this is good for his confidence, and I don't see a reason to send him down until he starts giving up a lot of runs.

 

Why is it that the phrase "getting results" always becomes a synonym for "his ERA is low"?

 

His actual results are garbage, the things he can control (walks, strikeouts, hard contact to an extent I suppose) have been awful. Sanchez doesn't get swings and misses, and cannot throw strikes consistently (let alone throw pitches where the catcher calls for), the only thing he's been able to do is get a lot of groundballs, that's it.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

^ that and Win more Games then he has lost!!!

 

Just win Baby, winning is good!

[frizzer1]

Sometimes pitchers get wins despite being consistently hit hard....those results are not sustainable.(unless your name is Burley).

But Sanchez is not getting hit much at all.....it's all a control issue now,but when he gets the ball over he has such great movement that they are not making solid contact.

That, and the fact that he is just a baby and has lots to learn,and thus lots of room for improvement with experience,tells me that he should continue to get the ball.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

He has done as expected for me...I still rank Norris over Sanchez long term

[Dick_Pole]

On a positive note about this thread, I guess it proves that any so-called Rays fan in here are really just trolling everyone when making that claim. Nobody would argue so passionately that Sanchez needs to be in AAA while (hopefully) replacing him with somebody better without wanting this Jays team to be the best they can be.

 

If I was a Rays fan I would be gleefully cheering the possibility that my offensively-bereft team would be facing Sanchez three more times this year and get a much-needed 20 free passes in those three games if he were to last the year in the Jays' rotation.

[Atothe]

On a positive note about this thread, I guess it proves that any so-called Rays fan in here are really just trolling everyone when making that claim. Nobody would argue so passionately that Sanchez needs to be in AAA while (hopefully) replacing him with somebody better without wanting this Jays team to be the best they can be.

 

If I was a Rays fan I would be gleefully cheering the possibility that my offensively-bereft team would be facing Sanchez three more times this year and get a much-needed 20 free passes in those three games if he were to last the year in the Jays' rotation.

 

Hurl ban this guy. That post was like the Joker discovering who Batman is without the costume

[ElNik2013]

Let's hope for those people who pick B they also help the Jays hire a GM who can restock the farm as fast as he can trade it away. If Ricciardi was still heading up the Jays A.J. Jimenez would be this team's best prospect.

 

Pretty much bang on. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers hired Kevin Towers as GM after AA is fired.

[LTR]

On a positive note about this thread, I guess it proves that any so-called Rays fan in here are really just trolling everyone when making that claim. Nobody would argue so passionately that Sanchez needs to be in AAA while (hopefully) replacing him with somebody better without wanting this Jays team to be the best they can be.

 

If I was a Rays fan I would be gleefully cheering the possibility that my offensively-bereft team would be facing Sanchez three more times this year and get a much-needed 20 free passes in those three games if he were to last the year in the Jays' rotation.

 

News flash: Rays are not offensively challenged anymore. Actually they have about an average offense.

Edited May 10, 2015 by LTR

[Dick_Pole]

Hurl ban this guy. That post was like the Joker discovering who Batman is without the costume

 

Give credit to Hurl, he's the one guy that I know of in this alleged Rays group that's been dead silent in this thread.

[saskjayfan]

News flash: Rays are not offensively challenged anymore. Actually they have about an average offense.

 

12th in the al in runs scored....not exactly average

[BTS]

12th in the al in runs scored....not exactly average

 

San Diego has the best pitching staff in baseball every year!

[saskjayfan]

Why is it that the phrase "getting results" always becomes a synonym for "his ERA is low"?

 

His actual results are garbage, the things he can control (walks, strikeouts, hard contact to an extent I suppose) have been awful. Sanchez doesn't get swings and misses, and cannot throw strikes consistently (let alone throw pitches where the catcher calls for), the only thing he's been able to do is get a lot of groundballs, that's it.

 

He doesn't just get ground balls. He doesn't get hit hard. His line drive rate is more than 25% less than league average. He just doesn't give up a lot of hits when he has the good movement. Some call it pure luck, maybe it's more than just luck

[jays4life19]

lol.

[BTS]

He doesn't just get ground balls. He doesn't get hit hard. His line drive rate is more than 25% less than league average. He just doesn't give up a lot of hits when he has the good movement. Some call it pure luck, maybe it's more than just luck

 

His xFIP is almost 5. You can argue that he has a talent for inducing weak contact. You might be right. Maybe you project something like a 0.3 difference between his ERA and DIPS (which is higher than you would ever project). His current true talent is still like 4.6 in that extremely generous case. You can't run a 4.6 ERA guy out there every 5th day.

[LTR]

12th in the al in runs scored....not exactly average

 

Tied for 17th in offensive projections in the majors. They also play in the most extreme pitchers park in the AL. They should be about average.

[Jimcanuck]

well, 17 voted "ok for a 22 yr old 5th starter, erratic but effective"

 

the good guys win over Tercet and his disciples... BTS, Nox, Orgfiller, etc

[BTS]

well, 17 voted "ok for a 22 yr old 5th starter, erratic but effective"

 

the good guys win over Tercet and his disciples... BTS, Nox, Orgfiller, etc

 

After breaking the "he sucks" option into three different choices. You're worse at posting than Sanchez is at pitching.

[Laika]

This poll is a pretty sad indication of board ignorance.

[Jimcanuck]

After breaking the "he sucks" option into three different choices. You're worse at posting than Sanchez is at pitching.

 

purely unintentional i tell you

[Boxcar]

This poll is a pretty sad indication of board ignorance.

 

I'd love to know who voted A. I'd guess Lettheballfly, saskjaysfan and jimcanuck. Homer trifecta supreme.

[BTS]

I'd love to know who voted A. I'd guess Lettheballfly, saskjaysfan and jimcanuck. Homer trifecta supreme.

 

definitely fatcow

[King]

definitely fatcow

 

#2 isn't too bad. As a 22 year old 5th starter he's above my expectations, I thought he'd be like Ricky Romero walking in runs in the 1st and leaving after that. Surprisingly he's K'ing guys as much as he's walking them and getting the 5th inning

 

yep

 

Hard not to exceed expectations when your expectations are he won't be able to get out of the 1st inning lol

[Daniel Labude]

I'd love to know who voted A. I'd guess Lettheballfly, saskjaysfan and jimcanuck. Homer trifecta supreme.

 

Yep, probably should have went option 2...but he has exceed my expectations in some areas and appears to be getting better.