GDT(2/3): Your Toronto Blue Jays @ New York Yankees - Dickey vs. Pineda - 7:05 PM ET

[ScientificReason]

These are the types of games you look back on at the end of the year that you say you should have won, add them up and it could be the diff between making the playoffs and playing golf.

[ElNik2013]

How?

 

 

 

Pulling Castro after throwing 4 pitches.

[Stangstag]

Castro threw 4 pitches and was taken out. I just don't get it.

 

I'll explain it to you. Jays winning by 2 runs, with 2 innings left. Our best guys are Loup and Cecil. There were 3 lefty batters coming up. Putting Loup in for the 8th to match up against the lefties makes complete sense. Then Cecil would pitch the 9th.

 

If you disagree with me, you are just wrong. Sorry. You don't leave the rookie in to pitch the 8th with a 2-run lead when you have better options in the pen still.

[RealAccountant]

Anyone who watched the whole game can testify that the Jays also had a bunch of fluke runs.

[guylaroche5]

How?

 

pulling castro after 4 pitches and IBBing tex. but regardless I can live with those moves, the real issue was loup crapping the bed

[King]

Dogg going full retard.

[Spanky99]

IBB'ing Teixeira was such a stupid call.

 

Near protocol, for the DP?

[RealAccountant]

You always walk their best hitter in that situation. If you don't then you are an idiot

[Stangstag]

Jesus christ there is so much idiocy in this thread right now.

[gruber92]

Norris has got this tomorrow night while we light up old man CC.

 

Just win the series.

[TwistedLogic]

How the f*** is Mark Teixeira the Yankees best hitter? LOL

[jaysfan2014]

On the good news side, the O's lost to Tampa (and were awful doing it.. striking out 13 times, and walked 8 batters!). And of course, the Sox lost to Philly, as their offense became non-existent tonight.. karma?

 

Hey, considering how good Pineda is, I'm not surprised we lost this one. Tomorrow could be a good one.. we don't know what Sabathia will bring.

[Governator]

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Castro in the bigs, but using him for 4 f***ing pitches is ridiculous. Either you trust him or you don't. If you don't, then send him down. Don't use him as a 1 batter guy.

 

This loss is definitely on Gibbons trying to be cute. Loup and especially Cecil dealt with bad luck, but stick with the hot hand. Loup looked wild as hell on Monday too.

 

and what kind of trust are you building in Loup who is a tailor made to pitch an 8th inning with 3 lefties in a row? He just stunk ass. The Gibbons hate on here is a bit much, he gave him the 3 lefties and pulled him for Cecil who pitched better than the result showed. Loup costed them this game, not Gibbons, nor Cecil.

[jaysfan2014]

I'll explain it to you. Jays winning by 2 runs, with 2 innings left. Our best guys are Loup and Cecil. There were 3 lefty batters coming up. Putting Loup in for the 8th to match up against the lefties makes complete sense. Then Cecil would pitch the 9th.

 

If you disagree with me, you are just wrong. Sorry. You don't leave the rookie in to pitch the 8th with a 2-run lead when you have better options in the pen still.

 

Plus, it was windy, cold and wet tonight as well.

[reedjohnsonfan]

You always walk their best hitter in that situation. If you don't then you are an idiot

 

Walking Teixeira was the right call, don't let some ridiculous poster fool you. It's only 1 game, but one common mistake some people are making is that they assume the bullpen will fix itself. I'm fine with giving Castro/Osuna a look but I can't believe they didn't go out and get any established arms this offseason.

[Spanky99]

Pulling Castro after throwing 4 pitches.

 

2 LHB's coming up? Nice try.

[Praxis]

What the hell just happened? I go out at 3-1 and the Jays cruising; I come back and we've lost? Holy crap - how? Why? Who?

[King]

What the hell just happened? I go out at 3-1 and the Jays cruising; I come back and we've lost? Holy crap - how? Why? Who?

 

Cecil and Loup blew the game.

[ScientificReason]

Sick of loups Walking or hittting a batter every outing routine though, don;t feel comfortable with him in at all. Failure to improve the bullpen is going to be a major issue this year.

[Spanky99]

Loup was never good in the minors, he's only good as strictly a loogy guy. Gibby saying he's the setup man is just retarded.

 

He faced two lefties?

[ColdPint]

It's not Gibby's fault that Loup and Cecil couldn't get the job done. You can only blame Gibby if he runs them out there for the first month giving them opportunity after opportunity to turn it around while the team is blowing saves. Overreaction over one game? Yep.

[jaysfan2014]

What the hell just happened? I go out at 3-1 and the Jays cruising; I come back and we've lost? Holy crap - how? Why? Who?

 

Darn Chris Young.. that clutch double set up the inning. Can't completely blame Loup.. he was also likely wild due to the cold winds around Yankee Stadium tonight (a lot of potential HRs were knocked down tonight.)

[saskjayfan]

Pulling Castro after throwing 4 pitches.

 

Seriously, it may feel nice and cozy in your living room, but at yankee stadium it was -8 with the wind chill. You have a rookie pitcher who throws a bunch of warm up pitches and then comes out and only needs 4 pitches to do his work, but then he goes and sits down and tightens up while you have loup warming up as the Jays are hitting. You'd rather throw a rookie who's freezing up on the bench than a veteran lefty specialist with great numbers against the upcoming lefties when he's loose from warming up as the Jays bat. That's some classic Gibby bashing. Just because things didn't work out doesn't mean Gibby made the wrong call.

[Praxis]

Well now we know who to blame. Why the f*** did you leave?

 

I know - I feel like this is my fault. Had to deal with some urgent stuff. Yikes. It looks like everything that could have gone wrong did - typical Yankee Stadium loss. Somehow we angered the baseball gods in that place.

[RealAccountant]

people are forgetting that the inning started with a blooper, that is a pop fly 9 out of 10 times, let it go, the team looks good. The kids are playing good.

 

I am the most pessimistic person here, however the ridicolous amounts of positives so far give me a lot of hope for this year

[Governator]

Sick of loups Walking or hitttinh a batter every outing routine though, don;t feel comfortable with him in at all.

 

Yeah, I mean he gets the outs but his walkrate is by far his weak spot. Having a clean inning is suppose to work to his benefit though but he just didn't have it.

[saskjayfan]

everyone knew the bullpen was a huge question mark coming into this year and tonight seemed to confirm this

 

what..lol. I think cecil and loup will be just fine when the weather warm up. They both have funky delivery and it's not hard to understand the cold and wind giving them fits.

[RealAccountant]

Typical yankee stadium collapse, been seeing this for decades.

 

Gift wrapped a W to the Yankees

 

fixes

[Spanky99]

I'll explain it to you. Jays winning by 2 runs, with 2 innings left. Our best guys are Loup and Cecil. There were 3 lefty batters coming up. Putting Loup in for the 8th to match up against the lefties makes complete sense. Then Cecil would pitch the 9th.

 

If you disagree with me, you are just wrong. Sorry. You don't leave the rookie in to pitch the 8th with a 2-run lead when you have better options in the pen still.

 

Holy f*** what he said^^^

 

Baseball sucks, it doesn't always work out!!

[ElNik2013]

I'll explain it to you. Jays winning by 2 runs, with 2 innings left. Our best guys are Loup and Cecil. There were 3 lefty batters coming up. Putting Loup in for the 8th to match up against the lefties makes complete sense. Then Cecil would pitch the 9th.

 

If you disagree with me, you are just wrong. Sorry. You don't leave the rookie in to pitch the 8th with a 2-run lead when you have better options in the pen still.

 

 

Yet he brought in Castro to bail out Dickey in the 7th. He also brought in another rookie, Osuna, to bail out Cecil and keep the game close. Why didn't he bring in one of the seasoned-vetrins like Redmond or Estrada instead of Osuna?

 

I guess your logic doesn't hold water.

 

 

Also, due up were Didi Gregorius, Elssbury and Gardner. You had to know they'd pinch hit for Gregorius and Ellsbury has hit Loup well in a SSS.

 

 

Anyway...