Sources: BlueJays in agreement with Viciedo.

[Angrioter]

Yes I remember those days where 99% of Toronto fans wanted EE released because he was so horrible etc etc - indeed, they put him on waivers and every team passed on him (I thought there were shrewd brilliant GMs out there better than AA - but they ALL passed on him. Spend some time - fix up his swing and boom - around a top ten hitter in the AL. How many people want him released now?

 

Still not everyone is EE and Viciedo will need a .50 point bump to his OBP to get into that kind of conversations - still defensively EE is just as bad in terms of dWAR.

 

EE has always had talent, something Viciedo doesnt have.

[Ehjays]

He's not serviceable or competent. Or at least he hasn't been yet.

 

He might be signed so we can use him to field ground balls in the Dunedin field.....Maybe he'll find another bad sprinkler....after spring he's gone.

[NorthOf49]

This tweet provides no information whatsoever lol

[Laika]

This tweet provides no information whatsoever lol

 

Did Scott Carson get promoted?

[Angrioter]

This tweet provides no information whatsoever lol

 

Jays - SLG

Indians - ISO

[KingKat]

This tweet provides no information whatsoever lol

 

Top 50 in slugging in the AL on the short side of the platoon. Plan the parade.

[Dr. Dinger]

Is this really so awful in a platoon/PH/part time DH role? Calm down people.

[Angrioter]

Is this really so awful in a platoon/PH/part time DH role? Calm down people.

 

Viciedo is a hybrid between Thames (D) and Arencibia (Bat)

[burlingtonbandit]

Is this really so awful in a platoon/PH/part time DH role? Calm down people.

 

for 2.5 million it would be.

[KingKat]

Is this really so awful in a platoon/PH/part time DH role? Calm down people.

 

How many short side of the platoon guys does this team need? There's already Valencia, Navarro and Pillar. Does this team really need to (potentially) spend 2.5. million on another one?

[BTS]

I think the money is immaterial - it's a one-year deal, and it's not like it's going to be put to use elsewhere at this point. The concern for me is that this team has a history of shooting itself in the foot by giving tons of playing time to bad players, and I'm scared that Viciedo is going to get a few hundred plate appearances with which to contribute nothing.

[Laika]

Is this really so awful in a platoon/PH/part time DH role? Calm down people.

 

It certainly has a higher chance of being a positive thing than the Santana signing.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think the money is immaterial - it's a one-year deal, and it's not like it's going to be put to use elsewhere at this point. The concern for me is that this team has a history of shooting itself in the foot b giving tons of playing time to bad players, and I'm scared that Viciedo is going to get a few hundred plate appearances with which to contribute nothing.

 

Well I would rather the money be held on to for the deadline then or even put it to IFA.

[Ehjays]

Well at least we finally signed a Boras client

[baubau]

Called it! http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/4427-Michael-Saunders-out-until-all-star-break?p=519800&viewfull=1#post519800

Go get that Trout guy next AA!

[ElNik2013]

Another panic thread.

 

 

I understand the concerns about this signing, but let's face it, several here have been quite wrong this off season about several things. Namely, that the team would spend big on the bullpen and that Happ alone wouldn't bring back a player like Saunders.

 

We'll see what happens, but this seems like a move to help Buffalo.

[L54]

He's basically Chris Colabello with power.

 

Nothing to see here.

 

(Yes I made a cross race comparison)

[TwistedLogic]

Yes I remember those days where 99% of Toronto fans wanted EE released because he was so horrible etc etc

 

Not me. I found a pattern in his splits back in May 2011 (SSS) and suggested the Jays give him more playing time at DH, and got shat on by everybody that posted at the forum I was at, lol.

[raBBit]

Hello all, more of a reader than a poster but just wanted to drop in when I can add something.

 

First off, no reason to get upset here. Those of you posting memes and calling AA a retard don't understand the process. There is no downside here. He's on a MiLB deal being paid peanuts. This is a kid who has considerable upside.

 

I do work out in Chicago and have been able to be see Viciedo a lot. He's a great kid. His teammates loved him and his coaching staff knew he put in a lot of work. Todd Steverson, the White Sox hitting coach, made a vow to get Viciedo near his ceiling. Obviously that didn't happen but we saw flashes. He needs to get disciplined and he has shown he can do it in bunches. Worst case he is a legit option against LH pitching.

 

He started the year on a tear and was working ahead of the count a lot but eventually fell back into his ways. Later on he got injured, did a lot of film study and came back strong only to fall back to his ways again. He has the problem a lot of hitters have. He's a hacker and can't hit well-located off speed stuff. When he's disciplined he's a plus bat. This guy's power to RF is of the best in baseball and you saw the videos in the preceding pages of his power to LF. Getting with some new coaches will do Dayan well. It seems the Jays have somewhat of an opportunity between LF/DH and there are much worse options.

 

As far as his defense he is terrible and is likely never to improve. Bad jumps, bad routes but a plus arm. The arm is plus in strength and accuracy. The White Sox quandary was his bat wasn't good enough for DH and his glove was too terrible for LF. Whichever poster said he could fill in at 3B was completely off-base. This man should not be anywhere but the corner outfield positions and even that is a stretch. His defense is going to be a detriment wherever he is slotted.

 

I am happy for Viciedo going to Toronto. It's a nice environment for his profile and the coaching staff in Toronto has worked wonders with plenty of hitters. As every columnist will tell you, right-handed power is at a premium. This is not a bad lottery ticket to have while you all wait for Saunders to heal. Perhaps he forces his way into getting some ABs once Saunders returns.

 

With Pillar being the alternative, Viciedo has much more in the ways of potential. Pillar is probably the better basement but every scout will tell you to take the chance on the power.

 

Have a good Saturday night everyone.

[L54]

Hello all, more of a reader than a poster but just wanted to drop in when I can add something.

 

First off, no reason to get upset here. Those of you posting memes and calling AA a retard don't understand the process. There is no downside here. He's on a MiLB deal being paid peanuts. This is a kid who has considerable upside.

 

I do work out in Chicago and have been able to be see Viciedo a lot. He's a great kid. His teammates loved him and his coaching staff knew he put in a lot of work. Todd Steverson, the White Sox hitting coach, made a vow to get Viciedo near his ceiling. Obviously that didn't happen but we saw flashes. He needs to get disciplined and he has shown he can do it in bunches. Worst case he is a legit option against LH pitching.

 

He started the year on a tear and was working ahead of the count a lot but eventually fell back into his ways. Later on he got injured, did a lot of film study and came back strong only to fall back to his ways again. He has the problem a lot of hitters have. He's a hacker and can't hit well-located off speed stuff. When he's disciplined he's a plus bat. This guy's power to RF is of the best in baseball and you saw the videos in the preceding pages of his power to LF. Getting with some new coaches will do Dayan well. It seems the Jays have somewhat of an opportunity between LF/DH and there are much worse options.

 

As far as his defense he is terrible and is likely never to improve. Bad jumps, bad routes but a plus arm. The arm is plus in strength and accuracy. The White Sox quandary was his bat wasn't good enough for DH and his glove was too terrible for LF. Whichever poster said he could fill in at 3B was completely off-base. This man should not be anywhere but the corner outfield positions and even that is a stretch. His defense is going to be a detriment wherever he is slotted.

 

I am happy for Viciedo going to Toronto. It's a nice environment for his profile and the coaching staff in Toronto has worked wonders with plenty of hitters. As every columnist will tell you, right-handed power is at a premium. This is not a bad lottery ticket to have while you all wait for Saunders to heal. Perhaps he forces his way into getting some ABs once Saunders returns.

 

With Pillar being the alternative, Viciedo has much more in the ways of potential. Pillar is probably the better basement but every scout will tell you to take the chance on the power.

 

Have a good Saturday night everyone.

 

Good post. A lottery ticket indeed. If nothing else, should be a viable option against LHP.

 

It just sucks handcuffing yourself with a guy like Viciedo, knowing that he's almost certainly a one dimensional player who really can only DH/play sparingly in the OF.

 

That being said, I'm fine with the move. It's pretty meh, but there is a chance he does force his way into some DH starts against lefties as someone said.

[BTS]

Using a roster spot on the short side of a DH platoon is wasteful. Especially when Danny Valencia can do the job and actually play a couple of positions.

[Gorlak]

^Not going to quote all that. Love the brute honesty on his defense. That worries me though, what's the point of him? There's no sense acquiring a power bat if he can't DH / has terrible defense... I don't subscribe to the theory that you can "hide him in LF"... doesn't work that way. IMO he's a waste of a roster spot, minor league or not. This organization needs to stop undervaluing defense, I thought they were finally moving away from that but perhaps not.

 

P.S.> "we saw flashes" could be the most abused term in baseball... everyone has lucky streaks, it literally means nothing if the overall performance is still bad.

 

If EE misses time he would be a good platoon partner, can't see his usefulness unless of injury.

[Gorlak]

Using a roster spot on the short side of a DH platoon is wasteful. Especially when Danny Valencia can do the job and actually play a couple of positions.

 

That's what I'm thinking, He is fairly redundant.

[L54]

Using a roster spot on the short side of a DH platoon is wasteful. Especially when Danny Valencia can do the job and actually play a couple of positions.

 

The thing is, he isn't using a roster spot right now. What's wrong with depth?

[BTS]

The thing is, he isn't using a roster spot right now. What's wrong with depth?

 

I'd really just prefer that he not be here at all. He isn't depth that you actually want playing.

[Spanky99]

If EE misses time he would be a good platoon partner, can't see his usefulness unless of injury.

 

He's a warm bat, sitting in Buffalo, nothing more.

[Gorlak]

True. As a platoon DH vs. lefties only (career 124 wRC+)... in the event of Edwin or our regular DH going down with injury.

 

If only the Jays had a guy who destroys righties to pair up with somebody.

[L54]

I'd really just prefer that he not be here at all. He isn't depth that you actually want playing.

 

It's better than Chris Colabello though.

 

I get that he's pretty redundant, and not even good. But at least AA is using his resources to improve what he can. That's what I take away from this anyhow.

[Spanky99]

I guess this is a knock on letting Lind go...

 

You think...that trade never made sense.

[Gorlak]

I'd really just prefer that he not be here at all. He isn't depth that you actually want playing.

 

He would have value as a platoon DH, not enough value to replace Valencia though.