Around Baseball 2015

[intentional wok]

Cueto getting no love from the AL. Tough start....again.

 

Orioles doing the Jays a lot of favours lately. Took 2/3 from the Yankees, now beating the Royals. Hopefully they can keep it up.

[burlingtonbandit]

Anyone guess what Alex Gordon gets this offseason? Imo he would be a good target for the Jays in the offseason.

[Hipfan]

Anyone guess what Alex Gordon gets this offseason? Imo he would be a good target for the Jays in the offseason.

 

Why? Pillar, Revere, Bautista, Pompey make a pretty good outfield. We only need pitching this offseason.

[Trouba95]

Why? Pillar, Revere, Bautista, Pompey make a pretty good outfield. We only need pitching this offseason.

Yep. Pitching, pitching and more pitching.

[baubau]

Anyone guess what Alex Gordon gets this offseason? Imo he would be a good target for the Jays in the offseason.

 

Probably around the $17.5 - $20 range over 5 years. He isn't exactly a spring chicken at 31 heading on 32. I'd expect him to get as much as he can as this may be his last contract. If the Jays do push for a OF hope it is Hayward. 4-5 WAR OF with GG defense, can hit and heading towards his prime (currently 26) - yes Please!!! He'll likely be in the 150M range me thinks over 6-7 year contract.

[Hipfan]

Probably around the $17.5 - $20 range over 5 years. He isn't exactly a spring chicken at 31 heading on 32. I'd expect him to get as much as he can as this may be his last contract. If the Jays do push for a OF hope it is Hayward. 4-5 WAR OF with GG defense, can hit and heading towards his prime (currently 26) - yes Please!!! He'll likely be in the 150M range me thinks over 6-7 year contract.

 

I'll take the over on 150M for Heyward's contract. If the Jays break their MO and go all out, it would have to be for Price. There is no reason to spend that amount of money on the OF, when they have 4 pretty good ones already.

[baubau]

I'll take the over on 150M for Heyward's contract. If the Jays break their MO and go all out, it would have to be for Price. There is no reason to spend that amount of money on the OF, when they have 4 pretty good ones already.

 

I am hoping that the Jays can break it down and get 2 of Iwakuma, Chen, Samardzija, Zimmerman, Kennedy or one mentioned with a trade for Shields. As great as Price is I'd much rather have depth throughout from top to bottom with controllable contracts that won't hurt this team heading forward. I am probably in the minority so meh.

[Stangstag]

I am hoping that the Jays can break it down and get 2 of Iwakuma, Chen, Samardzija, Zimmerman, Kennedy or one mentioned with a trade for Shields. As great as Price is I'd much rather have depth throughout from top to bottom with controllable contracts that won't hurt this team heading forward. I am probably in the minority so meh.

 

I'm with you. Not sure why people want Price on a 200 million dollar contract. We already have quite a bit of money committed to aging guys (Martin, Tulo). There's a whole slew of pitching options this offseason that would be better deals than Price.

[Krylian]

He's good but I don't know if anyone was buying him as a top 10 pitcher like Price. I know I wasn't

 

He's a #1...but he's not an ace. David Price is an ace.

 

That's how I see it.

[HERPDERP]

I'll take the over on 150M for Heyward's contract. If the Jays break their MO and go all out, it would have to be for Price. There is no reason to spend that amount of money on the OF, when they have 4 pretty good ones already.

 

Heyward will most likely get huge contract (7-8 years) but his agent is the same as Grienke's, so expect an opt-out clause at year 3/4.

 

That being said, yeah I would definitely go for him, but I wonder how Bautista will feel about that.

[BigCecil]

Heyward will most likely get huge contract (7-8 years) but his agent is the same as Grienke's, so expect an opt-out clause at year 3/4.

 

That being said, yeah I would definitely go for him, but I wonder how Bautista will feel about that.

 

I see more value in him that signing Price.

 

Perfect opp to move Jose B to 1B at this point in his career starting through a spring training...cut down on the wear and tear of the OF. His bud Edwin will DH. He should be fine with it.

 

Leaves no place for Cola and not a lot for Smoak except for D replacement and spot starts against RHP.

[Swervin81]

I am hoping that the Jays can break it down and get 2 of Iwakuma, Chen, Samardzija, Zimmerman, Kennedy or one mentioned with a trade for Shields. As great as Price is I'd much rather have depth throughout from top to bottom with controllable contracts that won't hurt this team heading forward. I am probably in the minority so meh.

 

I'd like Samardzija and Zimmermann very much in that case. Samardzija would be a good buy low. Look at his pitch usage this year compared to previous. For some odd reason, Don Cooper is being an idiot and having him use the cutter far more than normal and the 4 seamer far less than normal. That cutter is really getting hit around and not very effective. Zimmermann is pretty much a lock for 3+ year in and year out. You could expect reasonable for Shark and Zimmermann to combine for 6+ and provide multiple waves of depth, while Price, will probably give you 5.5-6, but that also means throwing a negative out there on the mound in the 5 spot (Sanchez).

 

Anyways, re: Heyward, I wouldn't mind him at all at 7-8 years since he's only 26.

[GreekFatAss]

I'll take the over on 150M for Heyward's contract. If the Jays break their MO and go all out, it would have to be for Price. There is no reason to spend that amount of money on the OF, when they have 4 pretty good ones already.

It makes more sense to me to spend $200 million on a bat in his prime years and trade the expiring Bautista for an arm or two with less term. With Stroman back and a better overall team from day 1, we should have no problem contending again with an average pitching staff with elite bats and gloves.

 

I would try and move Bautista for a Wheeler like arm plus a pen arm (assuming they lose Cespedes) and spend the remaining budget on retaining/adding Lowe like arms and possibly a back end starter.

[Stangstag]

It makes more sense to me to spend $200 million on a bat in his prime years and trade the expiring Bautista for an arm or two with less term. With Stroman back and a better overall team from day 1, we should have no problem contending again with an average pitching staff with elite bats and gloves.

 

I would try and move Bautista for a Wheeler like arm plus a pen arm (assuming they lose Cespedes) and spend the remaining budget on retaining/adding Lowe like arms and possibly a back end starter.

 

I agree with this, but i don't see us trading Bautista. He'll probably be a Jay for life.

[HERPDERP]

I doubt Bautista will approve a trade unless he goes to a perennial winner.

[BigCecil]

I agree with this, but i don't see us trading Bautista. He'll probably be a Jay for life.

 

I doubt Bautista will approve a trade unless he goes to a perennial winner.

 

Herp is right. Love Jose B but I don't think he is resigned after 2016. He will be moved if we are out of it next year to someone who is in a race.

 

If we are in it, he will be a FA unless he will take a 3 year deal @60mm which I doubt he would. Beltran converted a 131 wRC+ into 3/45mm deal.

 

He has declining defensive ability and eventually his offense will decline (unless he is a freak like Big Papi)

[GreekFatAss]

I agree with this, but i don't see us trading Bautista. He'll probably be a Jay for life.

 

I didn't think we would trade Lawrie or Reyes either (for different reasons) yet we managed to.

[admin]

I can't see us trading Bautista. Lawrie and Reyes were traded for a chance to get elite players. Doubtful the opportunity comes up with Jose.

That being said, I could see Jose asking for a ridiculous amount that the team won't meet, so he throws a fit and wants out.

[CHRIS]

He has declining defensive ability and eventually his offense will decline (unless he is a freak like Big Papi)

 

I think his offense will age well. To me it seems like JB is a pretty cerebral player who will learn to adapt his game as he ages.

[HERPDERP]

I think his offense will age well. To me it seems like JB is a pretty cerebral player who will learn to adapt his game as he ages.

 

I believe he specifically said that he has been avoiding the weights this year due to that. He is focusing more on yoga and bodyweight exercises, such as this:

 

http://streamable.com/7gqo

 

edit: this article:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/toughness-a-distinct-element-of-this-years-blue-jays/

“Where I’ve really been able to improve my body management has been on the little pains and aches by incorporating new systems and methods to my training, like yoga, more kinetic based stuff, functional workouts,” says Bautista, “instead of just weightlifting, which in the off-season is great, because you can create power and endurance, but during the season it’s a little counterproductive because you can create tightness and soreness that might not let you be yourself 100 per cent on a daily basis. So I’ve been doing a lot of stretching, a lot of stress release on my muscles, stuff like that, and that’s allowed me to have my body feeling better on a day to day basis.”

[burlingtonbandit]

Why? Pillar, Revere, Bautista, Pompey make a pretty good outfield. We only need pitching this offseason.

 

I think the Jays need another LH bat. Jays could trade Revere who is going to make 7-8 Million and get some pitching. Bautista has been really bad in RF and could use more days at DH. I'd like to bring Saunders back but it would be ill-advised to rely on him.

[L54]

Joey Bats and myofascial release! Something I've incorporated into the hockey players I'm responsible for. The importance of functional movement is beginning to gain a lot of traction in the sports world.

 

I doubt JB gets traded. In fact, out of him and EE I expect Bautista to be brought back in 2017.

[BigCecil]

I think his offense will age well. To me it seems like JB is a pretty cerebral player who will learn to adapt his game as he ages.

 

He is and lets hope so. But he has a lot of movement in his swing and for the most part he is a dead pull hitter.

 

Timing is everything with it. A hitter like Papi has aged well on O in part because he has never lost the ability to drive the ball away to LCF.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Will the Greinke vs Arrieta/Kershaw debate for the CY get as heated as the Miggy/Trout debate from a few years back?

 

Greinke now has the 5th lowest ERA since 1920 after yesterday.

 

Can't see the average, non-Sabr sportswriter giving votes to Kershaw over him.

[RealAccountant]

That should have an asterisk pointing out that it was in the National League

[Yessir]

Unfortunate the idiot Heyman is bumping Greinke on Twitter - and using bWAR

[RealAccountant]

Dodgers Jays WS final

[baubau]

Dodgers Jays WS final

 

Much rather see Jays vs Mets, Dickey vs Syndergaard game 7 final at home. The story writes itself!

[Yessir]

Mets - Blue Jays seems the most likely based on recent trends

[tazsub3]

I think the Jays need another LH bat. Jays could trade Revere who is going to make 7-8 Million and get some pitching. Bautista has been really bad in RF and could use more days at DH. I'd like to bring Saunders back but it would be ill-advised to rely on him.

 

With revere looking as a perfect leadoff hitter, i would strongly doubt they would trade a commodity they spent many years trying to acquire.