Markakis vs Melky

[ineedsheet]

i think markakis is a much better option than melky cabrera...

 

signing melky would essentially mean we lose a draft pick (one we would have otherwise had had he signed elsewhere), and markakis has no QO attatched to his name

 

markakis and melky were worth similar value in 2014, with markakis bringing more defensively (what we need) and melky bringing more offense..

 

as an average RFer with a strong arm, he would play great in LF.

 

he also doesn't have extreme splits L vs R, and has been an above average hitter his entire career vs both sides...

[JaysAllMighty]

I have a feeling that Melky better make up his mind soon, AA sounds like he wants an answer soon or he will sign someone else, could be Markakis.

[L54]

I would have to think Markakis + draft pick is way more valuable than Melky. Markakis himself is probably more valuable than Melky. Question isn't really which one IMO, it's can the Jays afford either?

[gbill2004]

I'd prefer Markakis. I'd even go 4 years if that's what it takes.

[Governator]

Aoki

[Ehjays]

Im on the Markakis bandwagon .....Hes cheaper and I love that draft pick ....

[Angrioter]

Options:

1-Trade for Saunders

2-Play Dirks+Pillar

2-Sign Aoki

3-Sign Markakis

4-Sign Melky

[xposbrad]

I'm not a huge fan of signing either. I'd rather trade for Saunders or Souza.

 

Those would require sending away prospects. I would rather keep the prospects and sign Melky or Markakis.

[ineedsheet]

markakis is also 2nd generation greek, like AA.

 

contract negotiations over moussaka and wine?

[KingKat]

Im on the Markakis bandwagon .....Hes cheaper and I love that draft pick ....

 

Markakis is o.k. Despite being a well known player, he doesn't actually do anything particularly well but that's typically what left-fielders are, just guys. It's the last spot to fill on the defensive spectrum. A place to put a guy that's not a great fielder and can maybe hit a little. If Markakis wants to be reasonable and Melky doesn't, there' some appeal to just getting someone signed even someone as thoroughly vanilla as Markakis. Peronally, I would prefer to land someone who can slide into CF though. That would give you more options. It would be nice to have a veteran CF in the mix to go with Pompey and Pillar. If and when Dirks is healthy, you can possilby slide that veteran into center if Pompey isn't working out. You need contingencies.

[Mikeleelop]

Options:

1-Trade for Saunders

2-Play Dirks+Pillar

2-Sign Aoki

3-Sign Markakis

4-Sign Melky

 

1. Trade for Saunders

2. Trade for Bruce

3. Sign Aoki (2years)

4. Sign Markakis (2years)

5. play Dirks+pillar

6. sign melky (3years)

 

that being my preferred order, I don't know what it would take to get Saunders or Bruce (who really does?)...

 

if it takes Norris - no f***ing way, if it takes Osuna go for it (he's years away and a TJ risk)..

 

But Seattle is competing in 2015 they would want a MLB ready piece. I don't think JA happ gets it done.

 

it will be exciting to see this play out over the next few weeks

[ineedsheet]

Not really. The costs should not require one of our top 10 prospects. Souza projects to be a better player than both Melky and Markakis, is ridiculously cheap and won't cost much.

 

which projections are you looking at? he also hits right and will absolutely not 'come cheap' if he projects to be better than melky or markakis

 

poor fit imo

[Mikeleelop]

He's 5th on the Nationals OF depth chart and is 25. He will come cheap.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5667&position=OF

 

why would he come cheap if he's projected to do so well??

 

4. Steven Souza, OF, Washington (Profile)

 

PA AVG OBP SLG wRC+ WAR

 

550 .268 .335 .445 118 2.4

 

Among the seven total instances in which he’s recorded at least 200 plate appearances at a given level in a given year, Souza’s walk-strikeout differential of just -5.6 percentage points this year at Triple-A Syracuse is the best such mark. A greater control of the strike zone complemented Souza’s already notable physical tools. Indeed, Souza is projected by Steamer to produce 19 home runs and 25 stolen bases per every 550 plate appearances.

[ineedsheet]

he hits right handed, and ya, washington isn't simply going to ship off players with high projections because they are low on their depth chart.. that is pretty absurd

 

poor fit

[ineedsheet]

Because teams don't all use Steamer projections. He's not going to see much playing time at all in Washington as they clearly see him 5th on their depth chart.

Ryan Goins + Dawel Lugo could possibly get it done.

 

if the nationals are ignoring conventional projections, and you want the blue jays to make a trade based on conventional projections... that is a pretty silly circular argument.

you're talking about steven souza right? he was just named nationals minor league player of the year? and you think we can get him for goins+ ? because why?

 

What does hitting right handed have to do with anything? He doesn't show splits (in fact has hit righties better over his professional career). Rogers Centre is a better park for right handed hitters (110 HR factor vs. 106 for L).

 

what stats are you looking at? he litereally has a 0 batting average against righties in an irrelevant sample size. our lineup is too righty dominant.

 

 

poor fit.

[GoldBull]

Because teams don't all use Steamer projections. He's not going to see much playing time at all in Washington as they clearly see him 5th on their depth chart.

Ryan Goins + Dawel Lugo could possibly get it done.

 

I'm thinking the Nats would want more than that. It wouldn't really offer anything to help the team immediately, so IMO they would prefer to keep the OF depth to hedge against injuries.

 

Might take an established BP piece (i.e. Cecil) + Lugo/DSJ

[guylaroche5]

if we're under the assumption that the payroll is around ~140 mil we should stay far far away from both of them

[burlingtonbandit]

I think Loup would do it from the MLB side. I'd be all over it.

 

Im not sure the Jays would be. With so many ? in the bullpen I have a hard time seeing them trade one of their best relievers.

[GoldBull]

I think Loup would do it from the MLB side. I'd be all over it.

 

Agreed - I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Laika]

Im not sure the Jays would be. With so many ? in the bullpen I have a hard time seeing them trade one of their best relievers.

 

Maybe if they have Andrew Miller lined up, but otherwise, yeah.

 

The Devon Travis acquisition certainly makes one think that the Blue Jays would be on someone like Souza.

 

It all depends. Lots of time to sort the roster out, acquire another lefty, etc.

[GoldBull]

Im not sure the Jays would be. With so many ? in the bullpen I have a hard time seeing them trade one of their best relievers.

 

Much cheaper to get a loogy of similar quality on the FA market than a LF similar to Souza

[burlingtonbandit]

Much cheaper to get a loogy of similar quality on the FA market than a LF similar to Souza

 

I agree personally, but Im saying I'm not sure the Jays would do it right now.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Still think on the cheap and short term Suzuki and Denaforia would work for the jays in left field!

 

Plus denaforia can back up all the fields!

 

He has never hit in a homer dome like Rogers ! Bounce back season!

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'd prefer Melky over Markakis even though he'll be a bit more pricey. That being said, if they can get Saunders without giving up much and make a run at a starter instead, that's clearly the best option.

 

That injury history though... you'd have to figure AA is staying away.

[GoldBull]

I agree personally, but Im saying I'm not sure the Jays would do it right now.

 

Yeah that's fair. AA did sound somewhat nervous about the BP in the tim&sid interview, so maybe he's less willing to move one of his few BP assets.

[JFD]

I'll take either. we need a good lefty bat.

[ineedsheet]

Minor Leagues obviously? .928 OPS vs. R in 1158 PA since 2011, and .819 vs. L in 477 PA.

 

Billy Burns was the Nationals 2013 Minor League player of the Year and was traded for Jerry Blevins.

 

billy burns had like 2 career minor league jacks.

 

souza just hit .350 with a .432 OBP in AAA with power and defense and you think we can get him for goins+...

[o2cui2i]

Options:

2-Play Dirks+Pillar

 

Dirks will make people cringe on defense. if you think it's ugly watching Melky, you will hate seeing Dirks.

[RIPEXPOS]

I'll go with Markakis. Melky is more of a risk, the PEDs, the injuries, I feel like there is a greater chance he stinks it up over the course of a contract.

 

Markakis I think will be what you expect him to be. Solid/good average, good OBP, good K/BB ratio, and solid D. Whereas if Melky struggles to hit, he becomes a giant blackhole.

[KingKat]

billy burns had like 2 career minor league jacks.

 

souza just hit .350 with a .432 OBP in AAA with power and defense and you think we can get him for goins+...

 

His point is that MiLB accolade are pretty flawed as a gauge of value. Let us not forget that JPA was once won a MVP award in the minors.