Jays sign Martin - So what's next priority??

[Mikeleelop]

Its not if you free up cash and actually sign scherzer or lester

 

It is foolish to dump the fifth place finisher in mvp voting who is on a 15million contract. When he actually generates close to $30milliion in value

 

Crazy

[Qwerty]

assume every team gets the same amount of WAR to spend:

 

The best team would be the one where every player has the ability to play another position and all positions are covered multiple times.

 

If you take your best offensive player and multiply this impact, you not only cover more positions, you diversify.

 

You trade bautista because two years of control means two years of investment risk.

 

His value externally is higher than it is internally. See: outfield Market

[Mikeleelop]

assume every team gets the same amount of WAR to spend:

 

The best team would be the one where every player has the ability to play another position and all positions are covered multiple times.

 

If you take your best offensive player and multiply this impact, you not only cover more positions, you diversify.

 

You trade bautista because two years of control means two years of investment risk.

 

His value externally is higher than it is internally. See: outfield Market

 

?

 

I don't

 

What?

[Qwerty]

We are gonna sign lester and trade bautista. Bautista's trade will net multiple MLB players, each with valued positional flexibility and years of control.

 

My theory doesnt apply to pitchers.

 

I dont care if jed lowrie is a free agent thats not the point.

 

We need an ace.

[Ziggyy108]

We are gonna sign lester and trade bautista. Bautista's trade will net multiple MLB players, each with valued positional flexibility and years of control.

 

My theory doesnt apply to pitchers.

 

I dont care if jed lowrie is a free agent thats not the point.

 

We need an ace.

 

AA is not trading Bautista.

 

His entire tenure has been building around the guy.

[Qwerty]

AA is not trading Bautista.

 

His entire tenure has been building around the guy.

 

please explain to me how that is relevant

[ScientificReason]

We need a starter big time, what are the chances everything breaks right for this rotation full of question marks?

[wardhenke1]

Whoever we sign had better be willing to take a back-loaded contract or AA had better have a corresponding roster move ready. I hadn't realized just how back-loaded Martin's contract actually is; essentially we swapped Lind for Martin salary-wise this year and our overall payroll right now is at $109m.

[TwistedLogic]

Whoever we sign had better be willing to take a back-loaded contract or AA had better have a corresponding roster move ready. I hadn't realized just how back-loaded Martin's contract actually is; essentially we swapped Lind for Martin salary-wise this year and our overall payroll right now is at $109m.

 

That 109M doesn't include the league min guys, or the arbitration guys.

 

And I can't f***ing believe we have to pay Ricky Romero $8M in 2015.

[Deadpool]

That 109M doesn't include the league min guys, or the arbitration guys.

 

And I can't f***ing believe we have to pay Ricky Romero $8M in 2015.

 

It's a contract year for him, he'll be hungry for success in spring training!

[saskjayfan]

It's a contract year for him, he'll be hungry for success in spring training!

 

I can't help but wonder if there's any chance he could be a bullpen piece. Odds are long, but he's clearly had injury issues to go along with mental doubts. He's a long shot to be able to play on the team, but maybe he could come out of nowhere and compete for a bullpen position if he's healthier this year.

[Deadpool]

I can't help but wonder if there's any chance he could be a bullpen piece. Odds are long, but he's clearly had injury issues to go along with mental doubts. He's a long shot to be able to play on the team, but maybe he could come out of nowhere and compete for a bullpen position if he's healthier this year.

 

He's a sunk cost, so it would be nice if he contributed SOMETHING to the MLB club this season, but I expect a poor season at AAA for him, then a career in independent ball (or becoming a junior partner at (Josh) Towers Baseball Instruction, which is totally a real thing...)

[JTech780]

We are gonna sign lester and trade bautista. Bautista's trade will net multiple MLB players, each with valued positional flexibility and years of control.

 

My theory doesnt apply to pitchers.

 

I dont care if jed lowrie is a free agent thats not the point.

 

We need an ace.

 

Blue Jays have a better chance developing an ace from within than signing one on the free agent market.

[Caper]

Blue Jays have a better chance developing an ace from within than signing one on the free agent market.

 

And the one on the free agent markets are such big risks.

[ScientificReason]

Why do we need a starter? We'd just be bumping down 1.5 WAR. We have plenty of depth to. Pitching is our deepest spot.

 

Depth is not that impressive when we have a bunch of mid to back end rotation guys....Quality versus quantity....We have hutch, who was all over the place, we have no idea how stroman will do in his first full season, Dickey is inconsistent and 40, buerhle is a back in rotation guy now, and happ who is also a back end starter.....You will not win the series with this rotation. You cannot rely on everything breaking right, we might be able to squeeze in the playoffs with this rotation if everything goes right and the offense is good, big if, but then we have no shot at winning the entire thing. It is a very shaky rotation.

[SpeedyGose]

Depth is not that impressive when we have a bunch of mid to back end rotation guys....Quality versus quantity....We have hutch, who was all over the place, we have no idea how stroman will do in his first full season, Dickey is inconsistent and 40, buerhle is a back in rotation guy now, and happ who is also a back end starter.....You will not win the series with this rotation. You cannot rely on everything breaking right, we might be able to squeeze in the playoffs with this rotation if everything goes right and the offense is good, big if, but then we have no shot at winning the entire thing. It is a very shaky rotation.

 

Lol, Stroman pitched 165 innings last year and Dickey inconsistent? Why do I venture onto this side of the board again...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Dodgers want a short stop and a pitcher, also looks like they could use more veteran catchers .... Hmmmmm!

 

Reyes, Dickey + his platoon partner,Navarro!

 

For Crawford,Howell,one of Baez/Garcia and Darnell Sweeny?

 

And we save about 13 mill to boot!

[Governator]

Depth is not that impressive when we have a bunch of mid to back end rotation guys....Quality versus quantity....We have hutch, who was all over the place, we have no idea how stroman will do in his first full season, Dickey is inconsistent and 40, buerhle is a back in rotation guy now, and happ who is also a back end starter.....You will not win the series with this rotation. You cannot rely on everything breaking right, we might be able to squeeze in the playoffs with this rotation if everything goes right and the offense is good, big if, but then we have no shot at winning the entire thing. It is a very shaky rotation.

 

The trade deadline is where teams try to add that ace to put them over the top if they are in deep WS contention rather than loading up the risk factor ten-fold in the off season. An ace for the sake of a quality pitcher is irrelevant until the team is ready for it, see Roy Halladay.

[TwistedLogic]

Dodgers want a short stop and a pitcher, also looks like they could use more veteran catchers .... Hmmmmm!

 

Reyes, Dickey + his platoon partner,Navarro!

 

For Crawford,Howell,one of Baez/Garcia and Darnell Sweeny?

 

And we save about 13 mill to boot!

 

jesus christ

[King]

Dodgers want a short stop and a pitcher, also looks like they could use more veteran catchers .... Hmmmmm!

 

Reyes, Dickey + his platoon partner,Navarro!

 

For Crawford,Howell,one of Baez/Garcia and Darnell Sweeny?

 

And we save about 13 mill to boot!

 

lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

lol

 

Thanks! Two bad contract swap no? Lol

 

Did I mention if we do this we sign one of Panda/Headley and Shields! better?

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

jesus christ

 

Yes, My Child ... You can be saved today too! lol

[ScientificReason]

Lol, Stroman pitched 165 innings last year and Dickey inconsistent? Why do I venture onto this side of the board again...

 

Not sure why do you?? You seem like the type who cries and has a hissy fit when someones thought don't allign with yours...Many young pitchers struggle in there second year as the league adjusts....and yes dickey was inconsistent a lot and is 40.... It is a average staff that has to have everything break right, you guys are dilusional if you think we are a playoff team with that staff.

[LongTimeReader]

Not sure why do you?? You seem like the type who cries and has a hissy fit when someones thought don't allign with yours...Many young pitchers struggle in there second year as the league adjusts....and yes dickey was inconsistent a lot and is 40.... It is a average staff that has to have everything break right, you guys are dilusional if you think we are a playoff team with that staff.

 

^chp

[Deadpool]

Thanks! Two bad contract swap no? Lol

 

Did I mention if we do this we sign one of Panda/Headley and Shields! better?

 

I'm all for drunk-internetting, but isn't it a bit early?

[King]

I'm all for drunk-internetting, but isn't it a bit early?

 

It's never too early for BigBounceyBlueBalls.

[RIPEXPOS]

The next priority is someone, anyoen who can come in and bring legitimate middle of the lineup production and protection in the 5 spot.

[glory]

Sign Shields for the money they are offering Sandoval, and trade Dickey, Happ, and Navarro for help in LF, 1B/DH, and the bullpen.

[Qwerty]

you don't change the makeup of this team without moving one of the dominicans. i dont mean this to be racist, but we need to reduce the clique-ey-ness that comes with reyes, bautista and encarnacion. enough with the stupid handshakes. winning teams do their celebrating inside the dugout. and they do it as a team. to get the best out of this team, things need to be less comfortable.

 

leadership comes in many forms. most of which happen when the fans cant see.

 

dickey expects to go out and throw 6-7 innings every game and does his job queitly. when he gets taken out, we hear he gets mad because he wants to be out there. thats character and leadership.

 

leadership is not getting clutch hits during the regular season or having the best stat-line. leadership is also not what it appears when a fan watches a game.

 

leadership is what emerges once you have a team playing as one. we sort of have that with the pitching staff. buehrle is the "leader", but he does it quietly. dickey offsets his starpower and fills another necessary role.

 

the process of offsetting starpower on offense started with martin. although it's not done yet. you are going to see bautista or encarnacion traded. maybe reyes but that'll be more difficult. one of the three wont be on the opening day roster.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

It's never too early for BigBounceyBlueBalls.

 

God Hates a coward! Lol