Aaron Sanchez stud thread

[Iluvbjs]

The comparison isn't Sanchez' curve vs. Stroman's, it's Sanchez' curve vs. Stroman's slider.

 

I think Stroman's biting slider has more utility than Sanchez' curve. It's easier to command, for one thing, and I feel like the slider is just a better pitch in general. You can use it in more situations. With the curve, you can try to freeze a guy with it or have it finish out of the zone and induce a swinging strike. With the slider, you can backdoor it more effectively, you can try for whiffs both down and away (in to lefties), and you can also throw it in the zone looking for weak contact.

 

Stroman sets up his secondary pitch much better too, with far superior command and control of his fastball, but that's another matter.

 

You're right but Stro has nowhere near the movement that Sanchez has on his fastball. Stro is going to be much more prone to giving up the long ball IMO. The slider is a good pitch, but also much more prone to being thrown in the dirt as well. From what I've read and seen, Sanchez has much better command of his breaking ball and Stro with the fastball. And we all know that without fastball command, you're in trouble. But IMO, give Sanchez Stro's fastball command and you get a superior pitcher. I think Sanchez's stuff is just flat out better, has more movement and slightly better velocity. I am glad we have them both for sure but I think Sanchez is more likely to become a no.1 than Stroman is. I would much rather face Stro than Sanchez. When you get a pitcher throwing a fastball at 98mph that sinks and darts like Sanchez's does? He's either going to be a complete stud or a complete dud.

[DH12]

Ok settle down guys. It was one game. I recall JP Arencebia looked pretty amazing in his first game also and we know how that ended up

[Laika]

You're right but Stro has nowhere near the movement that Sanchez has on his fastball. Stro is going to be much more prone to giving up the long ball IMO. The slider is a good pitch' date=' but also much more prone to being thrown in the dirt as well. From what I've read and seen, Sanchez has much better command of his breaking ball and Stro with the fastball. And we all know that without fastball command, you're in trouble. But IMO, give Sanchez Stro's fastball command and you get a superior pitcher. I think Sanchez's stuff is just flat out better, has more movement and slightly better velocity. I am glad we have them both for sure but I think Sanchez is more likely to become a no.1 than Stroman is. I would much rather face Stro than Sanchez. When you get a pitcher throwing a fastball at 98mph that sinks and darts like Sanchez's does? He's either going to be a complete stud or a complete dud.[/quote']

 

Yes, but you could say a lot of the same stuff about Kyle Drabek.

 

Mid-upper 90's running FB with a wipeout curve. Sanchez could totally be another Drabek.

 

Actually, if I wanted to be depressingly realistic, I would say that he probably will be another Drabek.

 

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[Muck Bartinez]

Yes, but you could say a lot of the same stuff about Kyle Drabek.

 

Mid-upper 90's running FB with a wipeout curve. Sanchez could totally be another Drabek.

 

Actually, if I wanted to be depressingly realistic, I would say that he probably will be another Drabek.

 

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I think the stuff is very comparable, but Sanchez's delivery looks a lot more repeatable despite it looking stiff. Drabek was (and I assume still is having not seen him in a while) flying towards first after every pitch. I have more confidence that Sanchez can find some control.

[Iluvbjs]

Cause and effect.

 

The slider is better pitch than the curveball, regardless of the actors (Stro and Sanchize)

 

Yeah, Stieb made a living off that pitch. It's devastating to both lefties and righties. I think if either guy could learn to throw a James Shields type changeup or a Halladay type cutter, they'd be f***ing dynamite. But I guess that's asking for a bit much, lol. I'm just glad this kid is up.

 

If these guys aren't going to compete this year, I'd like to see them lose a bat or two and go younger like Tampa has. Give up that bat who'll get a team into the post season and get some good young pitching in return. I've just had enough of them being caught in between. They have that nucleus of Stro, Hutch and Sanchez....and a few up and comers like Norris, Nolin and Mcgiure. Just keep piling it on and let them get experience at this level early on. Not too early, but I'd rather watch guys develop through a couple of painful years in order to have a team like Tampa has with 5 good pitchers to throw out there on a yearly basis. f***, Tampa is getting themselves back into it, after being a laughing stock early on.

[Iluvbjs]

Ok settle down guys. It was one game. I recall JP Arencebia looked pretty amazing in his first game also and we know how that ended up

 

Hehehehe, nice...and very very very true.

[Laika]

McGuire that up and comer who was just DFA'd?

 

lolol

[Iluvbjs]

This has quickly turned into the best of the "one liners" thread. A couple of pretty good, and yet sadly valid ones. Guess the joke is on the jays.

[GD]

Iluvbj's won the thread.

[Chappy]

"Dirty" Sanchez, lol.

[Nox]

Would also like to remind everyone that Sanchez isn't going to be sitting 97 as a starter (that's obvious). Comparing Stroman's stuff to what we saw tonight isn't completely fair.

[Nox]

I think if either guy could learn to throw a James Shields type changeup or a Halladay type cutter' date=' they'd be f***ing dynamite. [/quote']

 

Give me a '99 Pedro changeup or gtfo.

[Angrioter]

The kid doesn't know the good that he is --> http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/sanchez-debut-an-unbelievable-moment/

[Inklink]

Good lord. Great outing.

[kgm1]

2innings of relief after half this board wanted him traded and everyone goes ape s***. I suppose when he walks in runs the next time it will be back to trade him now time.

Good to see the initial success and I hope it continues but right now Stroman is far better and probably always will be.

I just hope he can get fastball command and be a starter. Better he was called up in Sept. And we didn't waste an option but since we have I can only hope it helps his development.

[Chappy]

2innings of relief after half this board wanted him traded and everyone goes ape s***. I suppose when he walks in runs the next time it will be back to trade him now time.

Good to see the initial success and I hope it continues but right now Stroman is far better and probably always will be.

I just hope he can get fastball command and be a starter. Better he was called up in Sept. And we didn't waste an option but since we have I can only hope it helps his development.

 

People are just excited. The stuff is undeniable, it's the control that will determine his fate. Hopefully working out of the pen will allow him to just attack hitters and not get into trouble with the walks. Time will tell if this was a good move or not, but I wouldn't have called him up just yet.

[Terminator]

Hilarious how everyone blasts calling him up, he throws two good innings, and now everyone is singing his praises. He looked good but it was two innings! That shouldn't be changing anyone's mind.

[Atothe]

I'm a big advocate of Sanchez but Stroman is the best pitcher on this team and its not close.

[Chappy]

Hilarious how everyone blasts calling him up, he throws two good innings, and now everyone is singing his praises.

 

This forum is pretty volatile. Happy one day, crying the next. His stuff is undeniable though, but let's see how this board handles one of his outings where he walks the bases loaded.

[wilko]

This forum is pretty volatile. Happy one day, crying the next. His stuff is undeniable though, but let's see how this board handles one of his outings where he walks the bases loaded.

 

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[Atothe]

http://i.imgur.com/wUFn861.gif

 

That's a ridiculously good gif. Will give thanks when not on cellphone

[Caper]

Hilarious how everyone blasts calling him up, he throws two good innings, and now everyone is singing his praises. He looked good but it was two innings! That shouldn't be changing anyone's mind.

 

We are sluts to any naritive.

[Angrioter]

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[Anemic0ffense]

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2 ugly dudes.

[tercet]

This thread is lol

 

Anyone interested in a 4 or 5 figure bet that he finishes with a bb/9 > 6 (given a significant sample size lets say 30IP?)

[Angrioter]

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2 ugly dudes.

 

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[wardhenke1]

Went to see Sanchez in Buffalo recently (July 10) and he pitched relatively well. 6 innings, 2 ER (on a 2 run home run) and some good stuff mixed with some very ordinary pitches. He did not seem like a lights out prospect to me, but then again one game, small sample size.

 

However the hysteria on here after 6 outs is symptomatic of how desperate we've all become to crown any new pitcher as the next Cy Young who'll take us to glory. We need to relax and give the kid some time. Hutchinson is just the latest of our new crop who start well, get fatigued and then the rest of the league starts to catch up to them. And let's not even mention the 'can't miss' prospect Deck McGuire, the 'safe' draft pick.

[G-Snarls]

Hilarious how everyone blasts calling him up, he throws two good innings, and now everyone is singing his praises. He looked good but it was two innings! That shouldn't be changing anyone's mind.

 

Exactly this

 

But I sure hope he keeps it up while he's here. What a pleasant surprise that would be.

[KingKat]

Was anyone expecting Sanchez not to flash good stuff? If he didn't have good stuff why would he even be a prospect? Certainly not because he's been effective in the minors, he hasn't. It's always been about the stuff and the front of the rotation upside. That's why he's been kept around and not cashed in yet, certainly not because he could be an effective reliever. I mean it's nice if he can be (not that we know that yet) but his development as a starter is the true measure of whether he lives up to the hope or not. It's nice to see him flash the good stuff but to be honest, I'm not very invested in his success as a reliever. I still maintain that the team didn't need to resort to this to find relief help and I would hate for the team to get too enamored with him in this role. If you gave me a choice between making him a reliever full time or trading him to a team that still sees the potential to turn him into a front line starter. I would pick the later all day.

[G-Snarls]