Why does Kawasaki bat second?

[John_Havok]

You may not like it but many managers go by current season stats to build their line-ups. Kawsaki OBP last 2 years vs. RHP: .341, .368... 250 PA.

 

And believe it or not, managers who make decisions based on small sample sizes... Are not being smart.

[Mikeleelop]

You may not like it but many managers go by recent season and handedness stats to build their line-ups. Kawsaki OBP last 2 years vs. RHP: .341, .368... 250 PA.

 

This did not answer the question. What is your baseline?

[Comx]

And believe it or not, managers who make decisions based on small sample sizes... Are not being smart.

 

250 PA, .350 OBP vs RHP. Throw it out!

[Comx]

This did not answer the question. What is your baseline?

 

League average OBP is not common knowledge here?

[Nox]

League average OBP is not common knowledge here?

 

A) why do you seem to think getting on base is the only relevant skill for a #2 hitter?

 

I assume you bringing up league averages is some sort of ironic angleing on your part given the fact Kawasaki is ~30% below league average offensively.

 

C) thanks for self quoting your own stupidity while trying to call me out to the mods. Makes their lives easier.

[over500]

Dumn teams with dumn rosters do dumn things.

[Comx]

A) why do you seem to think getting on base is the only relevant skill for a #2 hitter?

 

I assume you bringing up league averages is some sort of ironic angleing on your part given the fact Kawasaki is ~30% below league average offensively.

 

C) thanks for self quoting your own stupidity while trying to call me out to the mods. Makes their lives easier.

 

Conversation was only ever about OBP. I was right. You were wrong. You got mad and resorted to derogatory remarks. You can try and weasel it whatever you way you want, I don't really care.

[Orgfiller]

Conversation was only ever about OBP. I was right. You were wrong. You got mad and resorted to derogatory remarks. You can try and weasel it whatever you way you want, I don't really care.

 

The conversation was about what makes a good #2 hitter. He backed up given statistical proof that a good #2 hitter should be just that, a good hitter. He then backed that up by stating that Kawasaki is not a good hitter, and certainly not a top 3 hitter in this Blue Jays roster. Having a good eye does not automatically make one a good hitter, there are multiple factors/skills, which Kawasaki (even though he's our best 2B option within the organization) does not possess.

[Nox]

I was right. You were wrong.

 

You were right about what exactly? That his OBP this year was .342 coming into tonight's game?

 

Well sure, but nobody said you were wrong about that. What you were very wrong about is what that figure means, which is essentially nothing. Both in terms of what we'd project his true talent OBP to be going forward and how that applies to optimal lineup construction which is what this conversation was always about, not OBP.

[Mikeleelop]

Conversation was only ever about OBP. I was right. You were wrong. You got mad and resorted to derogatory remarks. You can try and weasel it whatever you way you want, I don't really care.

 

conversation was not only about OBP. It was about the stupidity of throwing Kawasaki in front of cabrerra and bautista. In what universe does it make sense to give a career 318 obp guy more at bats than cabrerra and bautista. it doesn't

 

you proved nothing.

[Mikeleelop]

Well, because he gets on base, wears a pitcher out, and he's done well, that's why?

 

so in the 8th inning Kawasaki comes up and meakly grounds out again. Cabrerra comes up with 2 outs, flysout and bautista is left on deck.

 

you want your second hitter to be a good OBP guy, but first and foremost you need him to be a good hitter.

 

by our manager's logic Mike trout should be hitting 5 not 2.

[Terminator]

It's not smart but if you asked Gibbons he'd probably say because of the injuries we have limited options and Kawasaki has been hitting pretty well since his call up in mid June.

 

Regardless, it makes little difference and with all the slop we have in the lineup right now it's going to look ugly no matter what.

[Nox]

Seems he made a good point about Saki's OBP vs. RHP.

 

Using unregressed numbers to imply a platoon skill or lack thereof is a recipe to make poor decisions.

 

The Book's explanation is the standard but here's a nice summary:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/estimating-hitter-platoon-skill/

[Governator]

I think we should all just start referring to the Jays as the Toronto Platoon Jays going forward.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I actually find it difficult to blame this on Gibbons given what he has to work with. Maybe Gibbons and Seitzer like the way his approach looks this year. It's annoying that he's the #2 hitter but I have no problem giving him a look based on the other options.

[Mikeleelop]

other option being keep the top three the same as you have all season??

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Conversation was only ever about OBP. I was right. You were wrong. You got mad and resorted to derogatory remarks. You can try and weasel it whatever you way you want, I don't really care.

 

Nox just doesn't like Asians. Have seen this on display IRL. It's something that I'm currently trying to help him overcome.

 

The Kawasaki hate is to be expected.

[Nox]

Nox just doesn't like Asians. Have seen this on display IRL. It's something that I'm currently trying to help him overcome.

 

The Kawasaki hate is to be expected.

 

Unfortunately this is true.

 

The first time I met Boxy I completely blacked out with rage or something along those lines. I don't remember much (anything) but I'm told I tried to set him on fire.

[bzapple]

Seems he made a good point about Saki's OBP vs. RHP. Also how many regulars does it take to combat one user?

 

Lol, did you just make another account to back yourself up?