Do We Even Want Morrow Back?

[vic city]

I don't know...Honestly, I'm over the whole trade Morrow for League trade. It went back and forth for a long time but I'd say Seattle won the trade pretty substantially. League had 37 saves one year and has been the healthier/more consistent of the 2 ever since.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Morrow is dead weight. Trade him or throw him in the bullpen and don't pick up his option this winter. JJ 2.0.

 

How long til Morrow requires TJS?

 

AA: It's over.

 

Morrow: Give me another chance...

 

AA: It's not you...it's me.

[Jaysfan_85]

Put him in the bull pen. Maybe he can become an elite setup guy.

[baconpancakes]

not sure here, but you are listing career fwar, if we are talking about a trade, shouldnt you use from the trade date til now? that would seem more appropriate.

[GD]

Lmao. League was a replacement level shitbag, had one good season with the M's and then reverted to a replacement level shitbag, then was a way below replacement level s*** bag. Granted, this year he's doing well (75% GB rate, 2.75 FIP), but when Morrow's posted 3.2 fWAR/180, I'm pretty sure we won that, even if he can't reach 180.

[vic city]

Forget about the stats. Do we want Morrow back or are we done with this project?

[vic city]

I have a feeling he's thrown his last pitch as a Jay.

[GD]

Forget about the stats. Do we want Morrow back or are we done with this project?

 

No, I want to throw away a pitcher who has the potential to put up 3 wins in a season for absolutely nothing.

[baconpancakes]

Since the trade....

 

Brandon League fWAR 1.1

 

Brandon Morrow fWAR 9.6

 

 

Yeah i figured as much, never liked League much.

[Angrioter]

setup man

[The_DH]

Yeah i figured as much, never liked League much.

 

Amazing potential, never realized.

[jays4life19]

We're in first place. We have currently have JA Happ and Liam Hendricks in the rotation. We have a maxed out budget and can't really afford to trade our top young pitching. We absolutely want Brandon Morrow back.

 

As long as he ends the year healthy, we pick up his option too.

[Chappy]

As long as he ends the year healthy, we pick up his option too.

 

That's just it. If he comes back and gives us a couple good months then I can see the option being picked up, otherwise I would be shocked if he is back.

 

If we are maxed out in payroll and assuming payroll is similar next season, I'm not sure AA will be willing to gamble that money on a guy who we simply can't count on. let's wait and see if morrow even comes back this season.

[vic city]

At 10 million, I'd want him back.

 

Ewww no. Resigning Morrow would mean one of Melky or Rasmus could be gone. I'd much rather go with internal options.

[vic city]

No, I want to throw away a pitcher who has the potential to put up 3 wins in a season for absolutely nothing.

 

3 wins in a season? lol

 

don't set your sights too lofty now...

[Smedley Butler]

He's never going to realize his potential because he's never going to stay healthy for long enough to get himself back in da groove. We can't keep handicapping ourselves by reserving a rotation spot for someone who just cannot stay healthy, then scrambling mid-season to fill his spot. The bullpen is his future, either with us or somebody else. Luckily, everything is turning up Milhouse for the club right now, so we won't have to worry about this minor issue as we celebrate our 2014 World Champeen Bloo Hyyays.

[Smedley Butler]

3 wins in a season? lol

 

don't set your sights too lofty now...

 

Time for a new account brother, you dun f***ed up.

[jaysblue]

Brandon Morrow can be the best pitcher on the Jays staff.

[jays4life19]

That's just it. If he comes back and gives us a couple good months then I can see the option being picked up, otherwise I would be shocked if he is back.

 

If we are maxed out in payroll and assuming payroll is similar next season, I'm not sure AA will be willing to gamble that money on a guy who we simply can't count on. let's wait and see if morrow even comes back this season.

 

It's not really that much money though. When you consider the contracts of Feldman ( 30 million - 3 years), Tim Lincecum - 35 million - 2 years) and just the general price for free agent pitching - 1 year and 9 million for Brandon Morrow is really a no brainier for me....unless he goes into the off season on the DL. Also, factor in that free agent pitching doesn't seem crazy about pitching in the AL east, in a HR friendly park and in a foreign country. We're not getting anyone signing a pillow contract here.

 

Hell....Joe Nathan got 20 million over 2 years.

[BigCecil]

That's just it. If he comes back and gives us a couple good months then I can see the option being picked up, otherwise I would be shocked if he is back.

 

If we are maxed out in payroll and assuming payroll is similar next season, I'm not sure AA will be willing to gamble that money on a guy who we simply can't count on. let's wait and see if morrow even comes back this season.

 

We got the best of deal with Seattle but the issue of exercising Morrow's option is separate. What concerns me more is that since he got hurt in 2012 (oblique) even when he isn't on the DL he just hasn't had the same stuff imo.

 

For the rest of the year he is in the pen if and when he comes back. If he gets it together AA can make that call. If he doesn't he will be somebody else's' if, come, maybe guy. I thought his career was going to parallel AJ Burnett's, as a late blossoming SP with great stuff who finally overcame injuries.

[BigCecil]

Brandon Morrow can be the best pitcher on the Jays staff.

 

that's never been the issue with Morrow although his stuff 2013-14 hasn't been as nasty.

 

However I agree with jays4life19 that 1 year with net cost 9mm seems cheap and worth the risk when you look at FA comparables. SD took a flyer on Johnson at $8mm last this year. Hasn't worked out and lets hope for a better fate if we do same on Morrows option. Its hard to keep it all in perspective when the frustration level goes up watching him pitch this season and last.

[Sammy225]

Ewww no. Resigning Morrow would mean one of Melky or Rasmus could be gone. I'd much rather go with internal options.

 

Rasmus is gone anyway. Actually good chance he is gone this season. My bet would be Gose is ready for everyday action in center and you could save dolla dolla bills y'all

[crmr]

I don't know...Honestly, I'm over the whole trade Morrow for League trade. It went back and forth for a long time but I'd say Seattle won the trade pretty substantially. League had 37 saves one year and has been the healthier/more consistent of the 2 ever since.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Morrow is dead weight. Trade him or throw him in the bullpen and don't pick up his option this winter. JJ 2.0.

 

How long til Morrow requires TJS?

 

AA: It's over.

 

Morrow: Give me another chance...

 

AA: It's not you...it's me.

 

This question reads a lot like "Do we want more pitching depth?". The question is of course yes. While he probably will never be as good as he should be, he has been valuable through his career, even as an SP. In the pen I suspect he is just a much better version of League

[reedjohnsonfan]

It's not really that much money though. When you consider the contracts of Feldman ( 30 million - 3 years), Tim Lincecum - 35 million - 2 years) and just the general price for free agent pitching - 1 year and 9 million for Brandon Morrow is really a no brainier for me....unless he goes into the off season on the DL. Also, factor in that free agent pitching doesn't seem crazy about pitching in the AL east, in a HR friendly park and in a foreign country. We're not getting anyone signing a pillow contract here.

 

Hell....Joe Nathan got 20 million over 2 years.

 

 

I don't know. They didn't even offer Josh Johnson qualifier at 14, he was worth quite a bit more than Morrow. That being said in hindsight it clearly worked out for the Jays, but 10 million for a guy who hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy at all is too much of a risk. Santana could have got more but he signed for 14.1 and has thrown upwards to 200 innings every season. Unless Morrow comes back and not only looks healthy but pitches well they will cut ties with him.

[BarkatToronto]

We're in first place. We have currently have JA Happ and Liam Hendricks in the rotation. We have a maxed out budget and can't really afford to trade our top young pitching. We absolutely want Brandon Morrow back.

 

As long as he ends the year healthy, we pick up his option too.

 

He will never be healthy

 

It will be 10 mil we won't be able to use on a real need. Nelson Cruz signed for 8 mil this year. 10 mil is not pocket change. I rather spend it on a 2b or another sp

[BarkatToronto]

It's not really that much money though. When you consider the contracts of Feldman ( 30 million - 3 years), Tim Lincecum - 35 million - 2 years) and just the general price for free agent pitching - 1 year and 9 million for Brandon Morrow is really a no brainier for me....unless he goes into the off season on the DL. Also, factor in that free agent pitching doesn't seem crazy about pitching in the AL east, in a HR friendly park and in a foreign country. We're not getting anyone signing a pillow contract here.

 

Hell....Joe Nathan got 20 million over 2 years.

 

Joe Nathan does not have health issues. Money on morrow is money on DL same old song

[jays4life19]

I don't know. They didn't even offer Josh Johnson qualifier at 14, he was worth quite a bit more than Morrow. That being said in hindsight it clearly worked out for the Jays, but 10 million for a guy who hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy at all is too much of a risk. Santana could have got more but he signed for 14.1 and has thrown upwards to 200 innings every season. Unless Morrow comes back and not only looks healthy but pitches well they will cut ties with him.

 

Santana had the draft pick compensation which ultimately hurt his value along with the initial high demands of a contract. Pretty much every other FA pitcher did quite well for themselves. Josh Johnson ended the year on the DL with an arm injury (and would have cost 14 and opposed to 9) and i mentioned in my previous post that Morrow is a no brainier IF he ends the year healthy. Back end relievers get signed for 9 million contracts today....

 

Brandon Morrow hurt his finger this year. If he comes back healthy and stays healthy (i know i know) i fully expect him to put up decent numbers at the very least and at that point the option is an easy call.

[BigCecil]

He will never be healthy

 

It will be 10 mil we won't be able to use on a real need. Nelson Cruz signed for 8 mil this year. 10 mil is not pocket change. I rather spend it on a 2b or another sp

 

Melky 2014 = $8mm. Cruz same. Called the "damaged goods PED discount" and they don't last long when guys come back like Cruz and Melky have. Not an apples to apples comparison with Morrow.

 

He is a pitcher and we have an option...that's our choice. Exercise or dump for $1mm.

[BarkatToronto]

Melky 2014 = $8mm. Cruz same. Called the "damaged goods PED discount" and they don't last long when guys come back like Cruz and Melky have. Not an apples to apples comparison with Morrow.

 

He is a pitcher and we have an option...that's our choice. Exercise or dump for $1mm.

 

Bigger issue is I hate the idea of allocating a spot on the rotation to Morrow. If we go into the season with morrow as a starter there is one sp spot we haven't filled BC he will either be absoloutelt garbage or be on the DL by June

[jays4life19]

Joe Nathan does not have health issues. Money on morrow is money on DL same old song

 

Joe Nathan is a 39 year old closer who's had Tommy john surgery in the past and reported a "dead" arm this spring.

[fireballW]

Brandon Morrow can be the best pitcher on the Jays staff.

 

Brandon Morrow could also be the worst pitcher on our staff. All he's done when healthy in the last two years is kill our bullpen. If someone gets injured right when he is about to come back then give him a shot, but I would not remove anyone doing even half decent to give him a shot.