Merged Colby "prepare for a trade" and "quits winter tour" threads

[Bluejays0988]

The thought of Anthony Gose as our starting CFer makes me want to vomit. If Gump is dealt there better be other moves following.

I agree I just don't think he will be as good as scouts initially predicted. I like his speed and his defense but thats about it.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Gose isn't even that great of a defender. He has great closing speed but his jumps are average. His arm isn't useful if he's f***ing 7 hopping balls to the plate way up the third base line as well.

 

He's a passable 4th OFer/ pinch runner who will be out of the league in 5 years.

[saskjayfan]

Gose isn't even that great of a defender. He has great closing speed but his jumps are average. His arm isn't useful if he's f***ing 7 hopping balls to the plate way up the third base line as well.

 

He's a passable 4th OFer/ pinch runner who will be out of the league in 5 years.

 

I tend to agree....too many mental errors last year too...throwing to the wrong bag...missing the cutoff..

[Abomination]

I tend to agree....too many mental errors last year too...throwing to the wrong bag...missing the cutoff..

 

In fairness, Colby wasn't exactly a wizard with his throws either. Gose does need to cut down the mental errors though.

[GD]

Even Pillar in CF is probably better than Goins at 2b.

 

It's a toss up for me, cause Pillar is probably better than what he showed, but I think I might take Goins instead. At least there's a tiny chance he BABIPs his way to an 85-90 wRC+ and puts up like a win or a win and a half.

[Abomination]

It's a toss up for me, cause Pillar is probably better than what he showed, but I think I might take Goins instead. At least there's a tiny chance he BABIPs his way to an 85-90 wRC+ and puts up like a win or a win and a half.

 

Pillar is a perfect 4th outfielder imo. Can make contact and hit for average, play all 3 positions at or above average, and steal the odd bag.

 

He's also destroyed lefties in the minors, so he'd make sense in a platoon with Gose if we needed to go that route.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Abomination

[GeorgiaPeach]

Also that the pitcher upgrade won't be much of an upgrade.

 

They should move Colby for something. I'm not interested in seeing an extension.

[ElNik2013]

Trade Rasmus for a starter and 2B and sign Sizemore.

[Anemic0ffense]

Sarcasm dude. I meant "extend Rasmus is the most viable option right now"

 

 

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[GNick]

http://jaysjournal.com/2014/01/04/colby-rasmus-told-blue-jays-prepare-trade/

 

Interesting...considering Gose struggled in winter ball and the org's outfield depth sux.

 

Sounds like he was going to be a tough sign

[DuckDuckGose]

Gose isn't even that great of a defender. He has great closing speed but his jumps are average. His arm isn't useful if he's f***ing 7 hopping balls to the plate way up the third base line as well.

 

He's a passable 4th OFer/ pinch runner who will be out of the league in 5 years.

 

Well its official Goes will be a star.

[G-Snarls]

Gose isn't even that great of a defender. He has great closing speed but his jumps are average. His arm isn't useful if he's f***ing 7 hopping balls to the plate way up the third base line as well.

 

He's a passable 4th OFer/ pinch runner who will be out of the league in 5 years.

 

I wish this wasn't probably true

 

I also hope AA realizes this but fear he doesnt. Has he learned anything about what atrocious on base rates (Arencibia, Bonifacio) does to a lineup? I hope so.

[G-Snarls]

Threads merged

 

Made sense to do so

[Olerud363]

I wish this wasn't probably true

 

I also hope AA realizes this but fear he doesnt. Has he learned anything about what atrocious on base rates (Arencibia, Bonifacio) does to a lineup? I hope so.

 

It's like AA addresses the individual components but does not quite see the entire picture. On base percentage?? If you asked AA he'd say something like "... of course I value on base percentage... We've got Bautista, EE, Reyes, last year we got Lind to turn it around. We value on base percentage. But we like to be well rounded. We'll a take player with speed or with power or with defense even if the on base percentage is below average."

 

Which is reasonable. If they look at the equation right. If below average isn't too far below. But they get these guys like Bonifaccio, Arencibia who are so bad they significantly effect the offense... they take forever to address it.

[o2cui2i]

It's like AA addresses the individual components but does not quite see the entire picture. On base percentage?? If you asked AA he'd say something like "... of course I value on base percentage... We've got Bautista, EE, Reyes, last year we got Lind to turn it around. We value on base percentage. But we like to be well rounded. We'll a take player with speed or with power or with defense even if the on base percentage is below average."

 

Which is reasonable. If they look at the equation right. If below average isn't too far below. But they get these guys like Bonifaccio, Arencibia who are so bad they significantly effect the offense... they take forever to address it.

 

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/questions/blackholes.html

[raBBit]

Trade Rasmus for a starter and 2B and sign Sizemore.

 

You can't be serious advocating signing Sizemore.

[GD]

I would very much like Grady Sizemore on a minor league deal

[Dick_Pole]

You can't be serious advocating signing Sizemore.

 

Sign Sizemore as a depth move, sure.

 

Sign Sizemore and gift wrap him the starting CF job, no.

 

I hope most people see it that way. The last thing we need is another walking injury penciled into the lineup with no contingency plan.

[Lawrie22]

I've been tossing around Rasmus proposals for fun the past couple days and I came up with a proposal with the white sox that I wanted opinions on:

 

Rasmus + mid level pitcher like Jenkins

To whitesox for Becham+Viciedo+De Aza+ Prospect like Micah Johnson

 

- I believe this move fills a lot of holes for this team. Becham fills a home at 2B, Viciedo can be the RH bat coming off the bench we need to platoon with Lind, De Aza can takeover in CF with the Departure of Rasmus and I would also want a decent prospect back in the deal like Johnson.

 

Batting order after trade:

1.Reyes(SS)

2.De Aza(CF)

3.Bautista(RF)

4.Encarnacion(DH)

5.Lind(1B)

6.Lawrie(3B)

7.Cabrera(LF)

8.Navarro©

9.Becham(2B)

 

Bench

Izturis/Goins(2B/SS)

Thole©

Viciedo(1B/OF)

Gose(OF)

 

I think after a trade like this we could sign 1 of tanaka,Garza or Jimenez and call it an offseason

[eastcoastjaysfan]

lol, if serious?

 

Yes I'm serious. Why wouldn't I be serious? Keep drinking the kool-aid Spanks.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Why can't he be serious on Sizemore, he could be great in our park, if he's healthy?

 

The guy hasn't had a passable season since 2009 Spanky.

[Abomination]

I've been tossing around Rasmus proposals for fun the past couple days and I came up with a proposal with the white sox that I wanted opinions on:

 

Rasmus + mid level pitcher like Jenkins

To whitesox for Becham+Viciedo+De Aza+ Prospect like Micah Johnson

 

- I believe this move fills a lot of holes for this team. Becham fills a home at 2B, Viciedo can be the RH bat coming off the bench we need to platoon with Lind, De Aza can takeover in CF with the Departure of Rasmus and I would also want a decent prospect back in the deal like Johnson.

 

There's no reason for the White Sox to want to do something like that. They're rebuilding, they have no need for a guy like Rasmus who is on an expiring contract.

[DuckDuckGose]

. The last thing we need is another walking injury penciled into the lineup with no contingency plan.

 

Pillar and Gose would be the contingency plan, if Rajai has no luck finding a starting role he could come back as the 4th OF'er as well. Having a guy made of glass in front of him may be an appealing situation for Rajai as his eyes are clearly on playing time.

[leaffie]

I thought he signed with the Tigers.

[DuckDuckGose]

I've been tossing around Rasmus proposals for fun the past couple days and I came up with a proposal with the white sox that I wanted opinions on:

 

Rasmus + mid level pitcher like Jenkins

To whitesox for Becham+Viciedo+De Aza+ Prospect like Micah Johnson

 

- I believe this move fills a lot of holes for this team. Becham fills a home at 2B, Viciedo can be the RH bat coming off the bench we need to platoon with Lind, De Aza can takeover in CF with the Departure of Rasmus and I would also want a decent prospect back in the deal like Johnson.

 

Batting order after trade:

1.Reyes(SS)

2.De Aza(CF)

3.Bautista(RF)

4.Encarnacion(DH)

5.Lind(1B)

6.Lawrie(3B)

7.Cabrera(LF)

8.Navarro©

9.Becham(2B)

 

Bench

Izturis/Goins(2B/SS)

Thole©

Viciedo(1B/OF)

Gose(OF)

 

I think after a trade like this we could sign 1 of tanaka,Garza or Jimenez and call it an offseason

 

 

Beckham is nest used in a bench role.

 

Viciedo can't get on base and is terrible defensively. Even with Viciedo's immense power upside he is the same type of player that the Blue Jays need to get away from.

 

The Jays could do worse than De Aza but he isn't the type of impact player I would want back for Rasmus.

 

In terms of prospects I'm not a fan of the CWS system at all and IMO are in no position to be moving their future.

 

 

IMO if you were looking to move Rasmus to the CWS you would have to get some pitching back. I;d be curious to see if you could land a starter like Quintana in a package with one of the B guys you've listed, like Beckham, for Rasmus on his own.

[GD]

Rasmus + mid level pitcher like Jenkins

To whitesox for Becham+Viciedo+De Aza+ Prospect like Micah Johnson

 

I don't know too much about Johnson but essentially Rasmus for the other three is something I want no part of. Viciedo is at most a platoon guy, and those three combine for like max 2.5 wins, which is an extremely conservative projection for Colby himself next year. Plus, like Abom outlined, they shouldn't do this either. Although the White Sox were linked to Colby once upon a time, weren't they?