Jays targetting Jeff Samardzija and/or Ryan Hanigan

[Howard Roark]

OMG I am so not a bully

 

And you are *deliberately* annoying, just like you were on the old board. For some sick reason you seem to just like annoying people and actually like getting told off or something. I don't get it, I really don't.

 

You going to wait until people start another board before you just IP ban the guy?

[G-Snarls]

It's gone around that the Jays weren't high on d'Arnaud abd don't think he'll stay healthy. AA thought he was selling high.

 

And they may be absolutely right

 

Time will tell

[Frenchsoup]

We still don't know that he didn't. D'Arnaud reportedly drew rave review for his catching in his Mets audition but he also continued to encounter health issues. He may go down as one of those guys who teased the game with unfufilled potential. AA definitely did not sell high on Syndergaard though. At least from a prospect capital perspective anyways. AA would be way better off if he still had Syndergaard to shop around this off-season instead of Sanchez.

 

i think syndy would be the keeper of the bunch now that his curve has developed.

[KingKat]

i think syndy would be the keeper of the bunch now that his curve has developed.

 

Syndi is the one that hurts for me. Committing to JPA for 2013 hurts too but it's not like the team should have felt comfortable committing to D'Arnaud either. Both could have been traded away and a third option found. The commitment to JPA may have facilitated the D'Arnaud trade but one didn't really have to dictate the other. At the very least Gomes could have been kept for depth/insurance.

[DuckDuckGose]

We still don't know that he didn't. D'Arnaud reportedly drew rave review for his catching in his Mets audition but he also continued to encounter health issues. He may go down as one of those guys who teased the game with unfufilled potential. AA definitely did not sell high on Syndergaard though. At least from a prospect capital perspective anyways. AA would be way better off if he still had Syndergaard to shop around this off-season instead of Sanchez.

 

At this point he is a far better bet to be Mathis-lite than an above average MLB C. that being said the Dickey trade was a terrible move and I still think d'Armand will pan out.

[KingKat]

At this point he is a far better bet to be Mathis-lite than an above average MLB C. that being said the Dickey trade was a terrible move and I still think d'Armand will pan out.

 

So you're saying D'Arnaud will pan out and become Jeff Mathis? I'm a little confused.

[JugglingPitches]

When I started this thread, if you'd told me it would reach 45 pages (and counting), I would have thought you were crazy.

[Ehjays]

So you're saying D'Arnaud will pan out and become Jeff Mathis? I'm a little confused.

 

I didn't catch that either, actually he said he'd be a Mathis-Lite, and he might pan out?????????????

[The Cats Ass]

When I started this thread, if you'd told me it would reach 45 pages (and counting), I would have thought you were crazy.

 

I blame Ryan Hanigan.

[KingKat]

I didn't catch that either, actually he said he'd be a Mathis-Lite, and he might pan out?????????????

 

There are reasons to think D'Arnaud won't pan out and there are reasons to think it was the right time to move him. Whether or not that was AA's real motivation or whether he simply had tremendous faith in JPA is an open question. I don't entirely hate that AA traded D'Arnaud but I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he did it for the right reasons. I strongly suspect that the reason AA had been shopping D'Arnaud around that off-season was that he made the commitment to JPA and thought he didn't need other catchers (D'Arnaud, Gomes). That's crazy if true but it's what I believe. I hate the commitment to JPA and I hate that Marlins trade, the Dickey trade I see as merely the logical extension of those two mistakes. If my interpretation is true, AA deserves to have both Gomes and D'Arnaud come back and haunt him.

[Captain Adama]

Why did we have to start talking about Synderagaard again? I don't need this depression.

[Brenner]

Why did we have to start talking about Synderagaard again? I don't need this depression.

 

Who?

[The Cats Ass]

Why did we have to start talking about Synderagaard again? I don't need this depression.

 

He'd look nice in the #3 slot in the rotation next year.

 

 

With TDA catching him.

[KingKat]

He'd look nice in the #3 slot in the rotation next year.

 

 

With TDA catching him.

 

I have tickets to both game at the big O. I plan on standing up for any D'Arnaud or Syndergaard appearances.

[leaffie]

I have a serious question. IF none of the trades you all hate, had taken place, where would this club be today? Be truthful now. Remember that the payroll would probably still be in the low 70's. Our pitching staff would consist of Happ, Morrow and ? Actually, we wouldn't have Happ, since we traded prospects for him. We would have Hech. Now how is that team going to get to the playoffs?

[Nox]

I have a serious question. IF none of the trades you all hate, had taken place, where would this club be today? Be truthful now. Remember that the payroll would probably still be in the low 70's. Our pitching staff would consist of Happ, Morrow and ? Actually, we wouldn't have Happ, since we traded prospects for him. We would have Hech. Now how is that team going to get to the playoffs?

 

Jesus. Nobody is saying that trading prospects can't be a good idea. It often is.

 

It's the trading of prospects for what we got that rustled so many jimmies. The franchise soaked a giant loss there. Throwing in a 3 win shortstop making $5M a year just because didn't exactly help things either.

[KingKat]

I have a serious question. IF none of the trades you all hate, had taken place, where would this club be today? Be truthful now. Remember that the payroll would probably still be in the low 70's. Our pitching staff would consist of Happ, Morrow and ? Actually, we wouldn't have Happ, since we traded prospects for him. We would have Hech. Now how is that team going to get to the playoffs?

 

That team has like 90 million dollars to spend and it has much better depth in the middle infield and catcher. That team has crazy prospect depths. With all that money and that prospect depths, it should be possible to build a roster and do a way better job of it then what AA did.

[DuckDuckGose]

So you're saying D'Arnaud will pan out and become Jeff Mathis? I'm a little confused.

 

I'm saying Jeff Mathis with injury issues is a highly likely scenario for d'Arnaud which, given the hype would not be considered panning out. ...

[G-Snarls]

He'd look nice in the #3 slot in the rotation next year.

 

 

With TDA catching him.

 

The ESPN writers are suggesting that due to Colon signing Synd will start the year in AAA

[G-Snarls]

I have a serious question. IF none of the trades you all hate, had taken place, where would this club be today? Be truthful now. Remember that the payroll would probably still be in the low 70's. Our pitching staff would consist of Happ, Morrow and ? Actually, we wouldn't have Happ, since we traded prospects for him. We would have Hech. Now how is that team going to get to the playoffs?

 

I appreciate this point

 

I guess the feeling is that we would have all our prospects and a lot of financial flexibility. We'd have Bautista Lawrie Escobar Edwin Lind and Rasmus and could now be buying free agents and trading depth to fill holes. The truth is I don't know that it would be any easier because free agents still don't seem to went to come here (AFAIK) and the price for SP via trade is crazy. He'd probably still be in waiting mode and trying to build a rotation from among Sanchez Stroman Synd Nicolino over the next couple years. He had been counting on Romero and Morrow for 2013 and the season would probably have been a massive disaster anyway. Attendance and TV ratings would not have surged from any buzz.

[DuckDuckGose]

I have a serious question. IF none of the trades you all hate, had taken place, where would this club be today? Be truthful now. Remember that the payroll would probably still be in the low 70's. Our pitching staff would consist of Happ, Morrow and ? Actually, we wouldn't have Happ, since we traded prospects for him. We would have Hech. Now how is that team going to get to the playoffs?

 

I only hated the Marlins deal (too strong of a word for the Dickey trade and I really wanted the Jays to land him) so they'd probably be sitting pretty with lots of depth in the upper minors and a huge payroll increase on the horizon.

Edited December 13, 2013 by DuckDuckGose
quoted multiple on accident

[Brenner]

leaffie that is a absolutely dumb question. Do you want an old and expensive non playoff team or a cheap but young non playoff team with potential future upside? No one is arguing that we'd be playoff team right now if we didn't make those trades, but that we would have better pieces to become a playoff team in the future. As it is now the team has committed to winning now but still isn't. They can either decide its not going to work, blow it up and try to recoup those prospects we gave up and we are back to where we were anyway, or they can sink more monies and more prospects chasing the playoffs. My guess is they try to sink more monies and more prospects chasing the playoffs at least for 1 more year.

[Angrioter]

ESPN's Indiana-ND hoops broadcast said Jeff Samardzija has resigned w/ #Cubs for $55 mil.

 

 

Great news

[jaysblue]

ESPN's Indiana-ND hoops broadcast said Jeff Samardzija has resigned w/ #Cubs for $55 mil.

 

 

Great news

 

How many years?

[Angrioter]

How many years?

 

5Ys/55M?

Extension discount

[Anemic0ffense]

If we got him for that price, I'd send Sanchez without hesitation... Whatever... Happ #4 starter here we come!

[NorthOf49]

Only trust real journalists. Every time an unconventional source floats a rumour I type something to this effect.

 

This isn't happening.

[Anemic0ffense]

Blasphemy! Angrioter is never wrong, nor are his sources!

[G-Snarls]

Both players in the title now settled

 

Can we shut this disaster of a thread down now?

[G-Snarls]

No.

 

It's hilarious what directions this epic thread has stretched in