Beeston doesn’t regret offseason moves "If we don't win this year, we win next year"

[Angrioter]

[dineke]

SO... Lee?

[G-Snarls]

He should regret the non-moves from the previous offseason.

 

Yup

 

Yu Darvish on staff as of last season would have solved a lot of problems

[Terminator]

Yup

 

Yu Darvish on staff as of last season would have solved a lot of problems

 

That's assuming that ownership was on board.

[G-Snarls]

Yup

 

Yu Darvish on staff as of last season would have solved a lot of problems

 

1 rock solid innings eater starter. Meaningless last year. But this year it would.

 

No need to trade for Dickey meaning:

A) No Dickey giving up 6+ runs most starts

Still have D'Arnaud and Syndergaard

 

Dammit I'm tired of complaining about that non-signing. But in retrospect its the one move that really would have paid off the most.

[G-Snarls]

That's assuming that ownership was on board.

 

Pretty sure they were. We will never know but I'm pretty convinced the Rangers just oubit them by about $10M. (Just speculation on my part)

Edited July 8, 2013 by G-Snarls

[Terminator]

Pretty sure they were. We will never know but I'm pretty conciced the Rangers just outhit them by about $10M

 

How can you be convinced of that, down to the dollar amount even? No offense, that just seems like so much speculation to me.

[Angrioter]

I hate cubans but..............Jays needs some Cubans no named Arencibia.

 

btw Cuban Iglesias (ROY) >>>> Adeiny Hechavarria lol

[G-Snarls]

How can you be convinced of that, down to the dollar amount even? No offense, that just seems like so much speculation to me.

 

I don't know that at all I am speculating

 

Just a cumulative feeling from what all the writers said, and the way Rogers dealt with it the day the signing was announced.

[Angrioter]

It's not even about Darvish. The 2011-12 offseason was the winter of starting pitcher trades.

 

Darvish, Gio, Latos, Cahill, Burnett, Parker, Hammel, Chatwood, Travis Wood... all having much better seasons than the guys we overpaid for because of a weak market.

 

AA focuses only on acquiring relievers. He doesn't know that a good rotation need quality depth.

[G-Snarls]

It's not even about Darvish. The 2011-12 offseason was the winter of starting pitcher trades.

 

Darvish, Gio, Latos, Cahill, Burnett, Parker, Hammel, Chatwood, Travis Wood... all having much better seasons than the guys we overpaid for because of a weak market.

 

So true

 

And the one guy we DID get that off season (Santos) has been a complete bust so far too

[Abomination]

Yup

 

Yu Darvish on staff as of last season would have solved a lot of problems

 

The Rangers took a HUGE risk on Darvish. It's looking like it's going to definitely pay off for them, but that's the kind of move that can cripple a franchise for years if you get it wrong. For where we were at the time, I'm not upset nor do I think we should regret not getting him. Like many others, I would have loved to have gotten Latos though.

[Nox]

This guy is such a senile moron.

[TheHurl]

in his mind...we are ahead of both the Mets and Marlins, that's a win bitches!

[Chappy]

This guy is such a senile moron.

 

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[Arkadium]

I'm confused. How does Beeston say we will win next year when our SP is in shambles this year???? We already traded away most of our top prospects.... and our budget may be the highest ever (not sure about that didn't fact check)

[Dick_Pole]

Yup

 

Yu Darvish on staff as of last season would have solved a lot of problems

 

There's probably thousands of organizations worldwide which are saying to themselves, "if we had only secured this bid or that bid for x contract, we'd be much better off". Anyone who has bid on eBay knows you don't win all the time. How much more so when you're bidding a high 8-digit figure just for the rights to negotiate with a baseball player. It's absurd to blame the Jays for not winning the bid or look at it as some huge missed opportunity. 28 other teams also did not win.

[Caper]

The Rangers took a HUGE risk on Darvish. It's looking like it's going to definitely pay off for them, but that's the kind of move that can cripple a franchise for years if you get it wrong.

 

Listen... we only operate in hindsight here on the Jays board. We missed Darvish... and should have got Chris Davis too.

[G-Snarls]

Listen... we only operate in hindsight here on the Jays board. We missed Darvish... and should have got Chris Davis too.

 

Exactly. It's all hindsight. Some guys we have clamored for have been very good non-signings too. You never know. In retrospect I wish we'd gotten Darvish, that's all.

[o2cui2i]

Exactly. It's all hindsight. Some guys we have clamored for have been very good non-signings too. You never know. In retrospect I wish we'd gotten Darvish, that's all.

 

there have been a few very good players who wouldn't have cost the team more than cash over the last couple of years. some very good Cubans and some Japanese players. getting players for just cash is always better than giving up your top prospects. cash will almost always be easier to come by.

 

first Beeston needs to take the people who put the rug in to court. then he can buy some good players.

 

I'd talk to the better business bureau after a hack job like this!!!

 

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

 

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2012/09/20/BEE248.jpg

[o2cui2i]

there have been a few very good players who wouldn't have cost the team more than cash over the last couple of years. some very good Cubans and some Japanese players. getting players for just cash is always better than giving up your top prospects. cash will almost always be easier to come by.

 

first Beeston needs to take the people who put the rug in to court. then he can buy some good players.

 

I'd talk to the better business bureau after a hack job like this!!!

 

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

 

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2012/09/20/BEE248.jpg

 

 

it's got more seams than the AstroTurf at the RC

[JaysFan4Ever]

The starting pitching fell apart this year but we'll win next year? Is he hinting that the Jays #1 priority is bringing in an Ace or two and getting some depth? Maybe signing someone via free agency?

[Boxcar]

I'm confused. How does Beeston say we will win next year when our SP is in shambles this year???? We already traded away most of our top prospects.... and our budget may be the highest ever (not sure about that didn't fact check)

 

Because he doesn't understand how baseball works.

[o2cui2i]

The starting pitching fell apart this year but we'll win next year? Is he hinting that the Jays #1 priority is bringing in an Ace or two and getting some depth? Maybe signing someone via free agency?

 

no, he's just letting us know he's still delusional and has no clue when it comes to baseball or hair transplants or sex change.... at lot of things he really doesn't know. but he's good at not knowing.

[digiblader]

Any team would've gone after Josh Johnson--not just the Jays. Remember, the Red Sox were on him and Jose Reyes during the winter before the Blue Jays made that deal--nobody knew Josh Johnson was going to struggle. You have to take risks sometimes.

 

Besides, at least Reyes(when healthy) and Buehrle have worked out--so it's not all bad. Keep in mind those two are under control for several years yet.

 

Here's proof:

 

http://nesn.com/2013/05/report-red-sox-considered-trading-for-jose-reyes-josh-johnson-but-were-unwilling-to-deal-xander-bogaerts/

 

And it would've cost them Xander Bogaerts--whose position is unclear in Boston with Jose Iglesias and Will Middlebrooks in the system or on the MLB club.

[jaysblue]

Listen... we only operate in hindsight here on the Jays board. We missed Darvish... and should have got Chris Davis too.

 

Could have had Chris Davis for nothing a couple of years ago. I remember I mentioned his name on the old forum numerous times, and many legitimate posters (such as Zaunbies) shut the idea down completely saying Davis was garbage and wouldn't amount to anything.

 

I've never anticipated Davis having this amazing of a year though. I always thought he'd be a monster, able to hit around 35-40 HR's, though never thought he'd hit .320 and be on the pace for 60 + HR's like he is now.

[Olerud363]

Beeston is a sucker. Red sox, As, Rays, Cubs, Astros, Mets love this guy.

 

A lot of other teams are run (at the top) by wheeler dealer business guys and wall street guys. Perhaps terrible people, who have no friends (or more accurately have friends but will stab them in the back) and are driven by winning and only winning, incompetence is punished.

 

Beeston is just as selfish as these guys, he doesn't care about society at large (us the fans) but cares deeply about his close friends (such as Cito Gaston). He's a politician. Would never punish a friend for a mistake. Instead Beeston tries to change reality to erase his friend's mistake (we will next year, or the year after, or the year after...).

 

Whe wheeler dealers love Beeston. He is the sucker on the other end of their trades. Beeston isn't to different from the guy who ended up with all the sub prime mortgage bonds the moment they went bad. AA is just a lap dog for Beeston.

[Olerud363]

Beeston is a sucker. Red sox, As, Rays, Cubs, Astros, Mets love this guy.

 

A lot of other teams are run (at the top) by wheeler dealer business guys and wall street guys. Perhaps terrible people, who have no friends (or more accurately have friends but will stab them in the back) and are driven by winning and only winning, incompetence is punished.

 

Beeston is just as selfish as these guys, he doesn't care about society at large (us the fans) but cares deeply about his close friends (such as Cito Gaston). He's a politician. Would never punish a friend for a mistake. Instead Beeston tries to change reality to erase his friend's mistake (we will next year, or the year after, or the year after...).

 

Whe wheeler dealers love Beeston. He is the sucker on the other end of their trades. Beeston isn't to different from the guy who ended up with all the sub prime mortgage bonds the moment they went bad. AA is just a lap dog for Beeston.

[Dick_Pole]

So much hate for Beeston. It's not like he's a scout or a manager. That man has exactly one role in life. To create enough buzz around this team in order to convince Rogers that spending lots of money on baseball players is a good idea. On the field it hasn't worked out, but off the field with ticket sales and increased payroll, has worked out. I think he couldn't care less about what the few dozen posters on here think about him but he has to appease the several hundred thousand or so potential casual baseball fans who might see a game every once in a while or watch on TV. So it's smart for him to say things like this.

 

If he can convince Rogers to dump more money into the team, he's done his job. If that money allows the team to keep the best players on the current roster plus get some players like Garza or McCann, while dumping the dysfunctional ones, then he's done a great job. The Beeston/AA method is not going to be developing a good team through payroll efficiency, which is what many people who post here love over anything else. I'm not a Rogers shareholder, so I could care less if the Jays only make the playoffs by having a top 5 payroll. As long a they make the playoffs.

 

I guess instead of bashing Beeston, I have high expectations for this off-season if this team does miss the playoffs. If the leadership team fails to address the most glaring issues with this team in the off-season, then yeah time to start calling him out. Him and AA were just too busy giving each other high fives last off-season to see potential holes with them team. Can't totally blame them though, Vegas lines were picking the Blue Jays as a top 3 favourite to win the World Series.

[digiblader]

If you think Beeston has it bad--imagine what'll happen to the Steinbrenners if the Yankees miss the playoffs, considering they haven't missed the playoffs since '08, and not for an extended period since 1993(they would've been in the playoffs in 1994 with Montreal had there not been a strike--imagine a Montreal/New York World Series then!)

 

And don't get me started on the Angels..