NBA Thread

[onwego]

welcome Kawhi, with your year off milking a bogus injury to escape the cult of personality in San Antonio, hope you are rested and ready to be a real alpha-dog for the Raptors...

[Krylian]

Now that DeRozan will be in a US market, how much more love do you think he'll get?

[Laika]

Now that DeRozan will be in a US market, how much more love do you think he'll get?

 

He probably gets less Love because he won't play the Cavs as much

[onwego]

Now that DeRozan will be in a US market, how much more love do you think he'll get?

 

 

He is probably the most inconsequential 20 point scorer I have ever seen in the NBA, going back to 1973.

[Krylian]

He is probably the most inconsequential 20 point scorer I have ever seen in the NBA, going back to 1973.

 

Wiggins has to be up there too.

[Orgfiller]

He is probably the most inconsequential 20 point scorer I have ever seen in the NBA, going back to 1973.

 

This is a really bad take. He literally just made All-NBA, there have been plenty of guys much worse and less recognizable than Derozan who put up 20 PPG.

[dineke]

Omg demar and rudy gay on the same team again. hahaha

[connorp]

This is a really bad take. He literally just made All-NBA, there have been plenty of guys much worse and less recognizable than Derozan who put up 20 PPG.

 

What does recognition have to do with his take?

[Orgfiller]

What does recognition have to do with his take?

 

He said inconsequential, Demar's achievements on a team and personal level are much more "consequential" than many random scorers that were just putting up empty stats on a bad team.

[Terminator]

Wow that's a steal not to give up OG or Siakam. Poetle is limited to back up C and with Ibaka he can play the 5 when JV isn't on the court anyway.

 

If Kawai is healthy this is a very good deal.

 

I agree. The team is better for the upcoming year and even if Leonard doesn't resign the Raps simply get the cap space. DD isn't a bad player but when he's on a max contract he really isn't providing any surplus value. What's better? DD or 29 million in cap space after next year? It's pretty close to me. There's also the chance that Leonard resigns like George did with the Thunder. On top of it the pick given up is either a really low first rounder or it turns into second rounders. Who cares about that or the C the Raps gave up.

 

This is a great trade for the Raptors IMO; I don't really like it for the Spurs. They are basically going all in on an Aldridge/DD duo for the next 3 years and that's a team that gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs in the West.

[Krylian]

I think there's virtually 0 chance that Kawhi resigns in Toronto. The smart play would be to plan on what they're gonna use all this extra money on.

[Terminator]

I think there's virtually 0 chance that Kawhi resigns in Toronto. The smart play would be to plan on what they're gonna use all this extra money on.

 

Probably not but the Raps will have his Bird Rights and can offer 50 more million than anyone else. If he did resign this trade goes from a good one to a flat out steal. But like you said, he probably won't and we will have extra money to play with.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think there's virtually 0 chance that Kawhi resigns in Toronto. The smart play would be to plan on what they're gonna use all this extra money on.

 

If Kawhi is healthy they could probably trade him during the season for a package that's better than what they gave up. SA didn't want picks/young players apparently so have to think Toronto could still get a couple of 1st round picks and a young player.

 

But if Kawhi is healthy you may as well play to go to the finals. This might be the best chance the Raptors win a Championship ever so have to take advantage.

[burlingtonbandit]

Probably not but the Raps will have his Bird Rights and can offer 50 more million than anyone else. If he did resign this trade goes from a good one to a flat out steal. But like you said, he probably won't and we will have extra money to play with.

 

The 50 Million is super misleading because its 5/190 vs 4/140. By the time the 4 year contract is up the max would be $40 Million anyway so he really isn't losing much.

[Terminator]

The 50 Million is super misleading because its 5/190 vs 4/140. By the time the 4 year contract is up the max would be $40 Million anyway so he really isn't losing much.

 

True but it's 50 mil guaranteed. Who knows what happens in 4-5 years. But you're probably right.

[burlingtonbandit]

True but it's 50 mil guaranteed. Who knows what happens in 4-5 years. But you're probably right.

 

Yeah but short of a career ending injury he's going to be getting paid the max.

 

I don't think the extra year is worth anything since he left $220 Million guaranteed on the table with the Spurs in a place with no state income tax.

[Spanky99]

Flags Fly Forever... GO RAPS GO!!!

[onwego]

I'm "wait and see" on this, i accept they are fed up with DeRozan, many serious fans are very upset about this trade.

 

If you don't like your roster, it will change next year, maybe halfway through.

[Maahfaace]

Watch DD turn into a solid defensive player under Pop. I can't recall Casey ever berating him for his lacksadasical effort on defense.

[connorp]

How funny would it be if KL didn’t report lol.

[Spanky99]

Connor speaks twice???

[burlingtonbandit]

No way he sits out 2 straight years. There are so many worse places to play than Toronto this year. Basketball wise its one of the top 5 teams in the NBA plus he's out of the Western Conference.

[connorp]

Prob not I just saw an article on it. Think it would effect his FA anyway

[Terminator]

Watch DD turn into a solid defensive player under Pop. I can't recall Casey ever berating him for his lacksadasical effort on defense.

 

I don't understand this move for the Spurs unless they think that Pop can somehow get more out of DD like you said. An Aldridge/DD duo is a first round exit of the playoffs and given their salaries this core is locked in with little chance to improve the roster for the next 3 years. They got very little future assets as well. If I were them I'd have gone for more/better picks and young players which would allow them to have some cap space as well.

[dineke]

I don't understand this move for the Spurs unless they think that Pop can somehow get more out of DD like you said. An Aldridge/DD duo is a first round exit of the playoffs and given their salaries this core is locked in with little chance to improve the roster for the next 3 years. They got very little future assets as well. If I were them I'd have gone for more/better picks and young players which would allow them to have some cap space as well.

 

Pop is going to retire in 2 years so he has no interest in rebuilding. Derozan doesn't move the needle for them at all though and is one of the worst playoff performers ever so lol.

 

Damn I can't believe how hard Masai fleeced the spurs lmao

[Bobthe4th]

I don't understand this move for the Spurs unless they think that Pop can somehow get more out of DD like you said. An Aldridge/DD duo is a first round exit of the playoffs and given their salaries this core is locked in with little chance to improve the roster for the next 3 years. They got very little future assets as well. If I were them I'd have gone for more/better picks and young players which would allow them to have some cap space as well.

 

Considering that they had little leverage in trade talks, and that they made the playoffs last year basically without Leonard, I think they did OK. They’re probably a 4th / 5th seed in the West.

 

They are probably relying on internal improvements while Pop is still there to coach the team. It’s not like the Spurs have ever been a major market for free agents anyway.

[Terminator]

Pop is going to retire in 2 years so he has no interest in rebuilding. Derozan doesn't move the needle for them at all though and is one of the worst playoff performers ever so lol.

 

Damn I can't believe how hard Masai fleeced the spurs lmao

 

Yeah I think Pop simply said f*** it I want a playoff team my final years. We won close to 50 games without Leonard most of the season anyway so bring back basically the same team and add DD and we should be pretty good again.

[Terminator]

Considering that they had little leverage in trade talks, and that they made the playoffs last year basically without Leonard, I think they did OK. They’re probably a 4th / 5th seed in the West.

 

They are probably relying on internal improvements while Pop is still there to coach the team. It’s not like the Spurs have ever been a major market for free agents anyway.

 

They do ok in FA. They got Aldridge and some others. Nice winter weather, no state income and perennial playoff teams. But yeah it's not the top destination.

 

I guess my problem with it is DD. He's not bad but he provides no surplus value at his salary. So they traded a top 10 player for a net-zero player and basically nothing in future assets. If I were them I would have preferred something like a couple of picks, OG, and Fred VanVleet or something. Or even go to the Lakers and get Kuzma, Josh Hart and some picks.

[Orgfiller]

They do ok in FA. They got Aldridge and some others. Nice winter weather, no state income and perennial playoff teams. But yeah it's not the top destination.

 

I guess my problem with it is DD. He's not bad but he provides no surplus value at his salary. So they traded a top 10 player for a net-zero player and basically nothing in future assets. If I were them I would have preferred something like a couple of picks, OG, and Fred VanVleet or something. Or even go to the Lakers and get Kuzma, Josh Hart and some picks.

 

You're aware of the Kawhi situation right? The Spurs basically had zero leverage because Leonard's group and manager/uncle are super toxic and completely shattered relations between the two camps. The Lakers on the other hand had all the leverage in the world since he seems deadset on going to them a year from now, so giving up promising young pieces when they could have both wouldn't make sense for them, specially since the Warriors are going to be unstoppable again this season.

[Bobthe4th]

They do ok in FA. They got Aldridge and some others. Nice winter weather, no state income and perennial playoff teams. But yeah it's not the top destination.

 

I guess my problem with it is DD. He's not bad but he provides no surplus value at his salary. So they traded a top 10 player for a net-zero player and basically nothing in future assets. If I were them I would have preferred something like a couple of picks, OG, and Fred VanVleet or something. Or even go to the Lakers and get Kuzma, Josh Hart and some picks.

 

TBF there was zero chance Leonard was ever going to play for the Spurs again.

 

You’re also underating DeRozan - he’s not the greatest player in the league and has obvious flaws, but come on he was All NBA second team last year.

 

I also think you’re right when you say Pop has no interest in rebuilding in his last few years, so they weren’t interested in whatever offers they received that were based on picks/younger players.