Carlos Danger

This is NOT a new take for me. However, no way I do it. I mean we have had him all this time and we are still where we are. I think we need to do a Tony Fernandez/Fred McGriff, for Joe Carter/Roberto Alomar trade just to change the culture/chemistry.

That's all you get for a $460 Million USD offer. Needs to be $585 million USD present day value if you want XBHs and HRs.

Roden and Lukes for O, Straw for CF D. The reason I say this, is because even if Springer is in there for D, they are not playing him in RF anymore. That value gets negated when he plays LF...

Sitting Springer is the best move this team has made in a while. Not sure why you are complaining about that? You get better D from Straw and better hitting from the rooks/youngsters..

The key metric to track with this team is going to be run differential. The difference between the outlook for last years team when they were hovering around .500 and the 2015 team hovering around .500 was ~+125 2015 Team, ~ - 35 2024 Team. So far 2025 -10 ;)

Haven’t been able to watch the game. How did the OF do? Looks brutal on paper.. Or did they not have any chances since the balls were over the fences?

Wish MLB had the balls to call it Taiwan, which is it's real name and what the people who live there call it.

Hell no. I like Springer for the most part. I can’t stand Stroman. I was just using a current and public example of ball players not wanting to do something. To George’s credit, he dealt with it behind closed doors which Stroman and now Devers, have not.

So I am making a point based off the manager’s words, former MLB players and people who cover the team for a living over a course of months. The counter points are. Springer seems like a nice guy from my perspective behind my keyboard. Or me no see this data on Fangraphs, therefore is false. Ball players have egos, and not all pigs are equal and they expect different treatment. BB is correct, Springer was struggling with the reality of age and decline. Rainbow colored glasses keep people in good spirits though.

I listened to the show daily and the Friday call in with JS on multiple weeks. In addition, Barker and Blair have off record sources and things JS told them that he couldn’t say on the air. To anyone really paying attention at the time, this is not a surprise. Don’t shoot the messenger, this was a topic discussed daily ad nauseam. They had one of the worst hitters in the league over that stretch getting the most ABs and coming up late innings with RISP multiple times and failing. It went on so long for a reason other than projections.

He did not want to be taken out of the leadoff spot and he created an atmosphere where they were scared to do it without really pissing him off and the repercussions for the Team that come with it. After he started sucking for so long, he finally acquiesced. . Frame it however you want, they didn’t make the move earlier because of potential blowback. If any other player other than their guy with the biggest contract he would have been moved way prior. Stroman hasn’t technically refused to go to the pen yet. However, he tells the org and the media 100 times a day I am a starter, I am a starter. I am not a pen guy, I am a starter. Ergo, Yankees know if they put him in the pen there will be drama. Who gives a f*** what Stroman thinks. However with the Jays, they didn’t want to rock the boat.

They didn’t want to piss him off and deferred to his status for a long time when he wasn’t producing. John Schnieder talked about this diplomatically many times when he made his Friday appearances on Blair and Barker. Springer has a lot of pride, had always hit leadoff, had the huge contract and WS etc. It was apparently a tricky navigation until finally Springer went and said, ok, move me down if you need to. So credit to Springer in the end, but by that time the hole was deep.

Nice to see Springer wanting to put Team first and hit anywhere in the lineup. That wasn’t the case last year to start the year and it killed us!!! Contract and name on back of the shirt aside, you need to perform if you want to hit leadoff.

The difference between Judge and Vlad, is that the Yankees really wanted him and the whole Giants thing just drove up what they had to pay. It is obvious Shapiro is not as high on Vlad as others on this board or in the media. I agree with Shapiro on this. I have been heavily critical of Shapiro and think he is too risk averse to do what you need to do to go to the next level in many cases. However, I agree with Mark in this case. Barker said it best. All it takes is one person in that room on the FO side to not have the confidence and it can kill a deal. The FO saw a player who came to camp overweight in his early 20s when your metabolism is working full speed. They had him move off 3b to 1b for this. Then he had inconsistent seasons relative to the money he is asking. He is a dumb ass on the base-paths and his defense is dubious at 1b. Apart from the metrics, former pro 1b players have criticized his footwork and positioning on the bag at 1b He has not demonstrated great leadership by actions on or off the field that I can tell. Vlad stated he was dealing with issues mentally during his down years. Ok, he is only human, but from a business perspective you probably need to consider his mental toughness. Vlad really only performed at an elite level 3.5 out of the 6 months last year. If we got Tucker vice Vlad, within 2 months the fan base would be Vlad who. Shapiro is also correct, winning takes care of all reference players the fan base “like” that leave the Team. Keeping Vlad at an insane amount of money does nothing to help the Team take the next step. We have had Vlad and still have not won. I bet you could get more wins spreading that money around or going after a change of status quo impact player like Tucker as an example. Verdict- Must trade by deadline or sooner! When the Blue Jays got rid of fan favorites Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez, partly to shake up the status quo, it was the best move the Blue Jays ever made.

That is why they should have traded him during peak FA season when Tucker was traded. I would bet the two Blue Jays knew they were not going to match Vlad’’s number for a while now. The Padres and Astros did the right move with Soto and Tucker…. Now the Mets signed Alonso and the Red Sox Bregman. Red Sox could still go after him prior to FA, but they would have had more motivation a few weeks ago. They wouldn’t have a where to play guys issue either.

Remember it looked like the Jays were going to arb with Vladdy again and then the late news broke after the "deadline" that they had reached an agreement. Point being, I wouldn't count my chickens in this process until probably at least noon ET ~ tomorrow.

Evaluating this from a purely business decision. My own feelings aside. Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~ the Jays should not sign an extension.

Vlad is already from a rich family and made/is making a lot of money. He is only 26, so even if he had a season ending injury, he comes back in his 27/28 year. Additionally, he can always break his own rule and take a deal from the Jays in March, May etc. I just don't think guys like Vlad and Bichette are thinking like poor kids from the island who need to strike while the iron is hot. IMO the pressure is solely on the Jays for Monday. From Vlad's camp's point of view, I would suspect it is meet our number or we will take our chances. The only caveat would be if the Alonzo and Bregman market spooked them a bit. However, again, I think Vlad is a different case...

If this were a trade deadline I would agree. From Vlad’s side, the only thing that happens is that they go to FA or waive their self imposed deadline later in the season. Where is the pressure for Vlad’s side to budge…????

Can Wagner play 3B?

Agree. I finally had a chance to watch/listen to the interview. In addition, this deadline is not the same as a trade deadline where other market factors are in play. Ross, didn't impart any confidence in me a deal is getting done. Probably a good thing. Ross is such a word salad of saying nothing and corporate baseball BS. Really, he said nothing except his mouth was moving. Ross is the Kamala Harris interview of the baseball executive circuit. My opinion is if you haven't hammered something out by now, there is probably too much of a gap and it is not going to happen in 48hrs plus hrs. I can also see from a business only stand-point from both sides, letting Vlad go to FA. The Blue Jays would have one additional year of data and they can always bid in FA and end up paying what it would take to do an extension anyway. Depending on Vlad's season the Soto type money might not be there as a 1b or they would have to pay in the ballpark of what Vlad want's now for an extension anyway. The caveat is, if he is not signed by Monday, they need to trade him by the deadline. Would be a disaster to have some false WS hope and let him go to FA for a comp pick.

If anyone on here says we should bring Stroman back again, it should be an automatic lifetime ban. Best move the FO ever made was to punt his ass. Would love to see him get traded to Oakland. And yes I know they don’t have a major league team anymore.

I wonder if this deal takes Boston out of the Vladdy FA sweepstakes assuming Vlad is a FA and Devers is going to 1st. The odds on FA favorites were the Mets and Red Sox.

I agree with the above. I for one have long been in the trade him camp. The FO won’t f*** up if they don’t sign him to some albatross contract. The f*** up would be if he walks for a comp pick. The Padres got a very nice package for Soto and still made the playoffs. Also, agree on the Vernon Wells example. Vernon was a CF as well in much better shape.

So the deadline is prior to, correct? Then NLT 17th.