Terminator

Imagine if Alford comes up and is productive and then Vlad replaces Hanson. Could be major improvements.

You weren't making bad points. Biagini sucks but it's not like we have alternative options. Bud Norris didn't pan out and Tepera got hurt.

Good points

Biagini sucks but Montoya is treating him like he's a bon a fide setup man.

So glad we dumped Pillar for 75 cents on the dollar to get Brito his ABs.

Yeah that was a very very good inning from him

Mayza made Swihart look like a toilet in that AB.

Looks like it did to me but I'm not 100 percent sure. The gif posted earlier seemed to show it.

Grichuk's throw helping make up for the booted ball earlier.

Booted ball in the OF and a struggling starter being left in too long throwing wild pitches makes for a hard watch. Come on guys.

If that's what he is he'd have to be a pretty damn good reliever to make the switch worth it. Unless your rotation is just stacked.

They are crushing the ball off Sanchez. Look at the Statcast, everything is being hit hard.

Schulman and Buck don't realize that it hit the upper deck and bounced to where it finally landed

Jays about to sweep the Red Sox on Opening Day weekend and Rowdy Tellez just broke Ted Williams' 70 year old record lmao

Galvis was cooked either way. If he had any doubt about whether it was caught or not might as well go back to first.

f***ing Grichuk too geezus

Never mind what I said about the distance good lord

Atrocious OF play there.

That thing was f***ing tattooed! 32 degree angle at 115 lol. If he would have lowered the launch angle some it would have been really really far. One of the hardest hit balls of the year.

Tellez is slowly changing my opinion of him. His 2017 is looking more and more like an abberation and his batted ball data is strong. He's still a bad-bodied defensive liability but the guy could hit enough to be a 2 to 2.5 WAR 1B instead of the AAAA or bench bat guy I thought he might be.

Lol that was a BOMB. Eovaldi let out a scream instantly. lmao

There are tons of them. A lot of them are in fact relievers with dominating stuff that they don't have to pinpoint to be effective. I think it's hard to pinpoint because command seems to be more of a scouting type thing that isn't easily translated into stats. I think Baseball Info Solutions is trying to keep track of it now though. I think you guys are too quick to dismiss the two as being different things but I do think that in practice they often correlate to the point that the are indistinguishable for most pitchers. I also agree that Keith Law is full of s*** when he says that top of the line stuff and good control but below average command isn't "starter quality." That's a joke. I've read a few sabre-y articles on this before and if memory serves me right I think Ted Lilly is the poster boy for having s*** command but good control anyway and he did it not even by throwing the ball over the plate but by getting hitters to swing so often at his pitches outside of the zone. Clayton Kershaw is a guy who has/had outstanding stuff, didn't really walk people, but he doesn't have great command either. This article (https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/31022/prospectus-feature-command-and-control/) which tries to prove that guys with good command get extra strike calls much in the way that a good framing catcher can get extra strike calls suggests that Kershaw doesn't have great command. It mentions Luis Perdomo as a guy who throws a lot of strikes but has poor command but I looked and it seems like his walk rate is probably about league average or so.

It's like I said before, even if Klaw's scouting report is right, how does that add up to not being "starter quallity"? -Top of the line stuff -Below average command -Really good control ^That's not good enough to be a #3 or #4? That reads like a #2 or #3 to me. All that said I think Thornton is probably a solid #4 maybe? I just don't understand Klaw's scouting report nor do I get the conclusion he gleans off of it.

But couldn't you also have good stuff and s***** command? And then on top of it you avoid walks anyway simply because you work the outer halves of the plate instead of the outer corners? It's almost splitting hairs but I see why the two different terms exist.

It is a little silly because command and control overlap to a large degree. But it's the industry standard so I use the same terms. It was always my understanding that control is simply the ability to avoid walks. Command is the ability to locate pitches within the zone, but since each pitcher throws each of their pitches at a different ability it really has to be broken down pitch by pitch. Someone could have good fastball command but s*** command over their breaking ball.