Terminator

Atrocious OF play there.

That thing was f***ing tattooed! 32 degree angle at 115 lol. If he would have lowered the launch angle some it would have been really really far. One of the hardest hit balls of the year.

Tellez is slowly changing my opinion of him. His 2017 is looking more and more like an abberation and his batted ball data is strong. He's still a bad-bodied defensive liability but the guy could hit enough to be a 2 to 2.5 WAR 1B instead of the AAAA or bench bat guy I thought he might be.

Lol that was a BOMB. Eovaldi let out a scream instantly. lmao

There are tons of them. A lot of them are in fact relievers with dominating stuff that they don't have to pinpoint to be effective. I think it's hard to pinpoint because command seems to be more of a scouting type thing that isn't easily translated into stats. I think Baseball Info Solutions is trying to keep track of it now though. I think you guys are too quick to dismiss the two as being different things but I do think that in practice they often correlate to the point that the are indistinguishable for most pitchers. I also agree that Keith Law is full of s*** when he says that top of the line stuff and good control but below average command isn't "starter quality." That's a joke. I've read a few sabre-y articles on this before and if memory serves me right I think Ted Lilly is the poster boy for having s*** command but good control anyway and he did it not even by throwing the ball over the plate but by getting hitters to swing so often at his pitches outside of the zone. Clayton Kershaw is a guy who has/had outstanding stuff, didn't really walk people, but he doesn't have great command either. This article (https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/31022/prospectus-feature-command-and-control/) which tries to prove that guys with good command get extra strike calls much in the way that a good framing catcher can get extra strike calls suggests that Kershaw doesn't have great command. It mentions Luis Perdomo as a guy who throws a lot of strikes but has poor command but I looked and it seems like his walk rate is probably about league average or so.

It's like I said before, even if Klaw's scouting report is right, how does that add up to not being "starter quallity"? -Top of the line stuff -Below average command -Really good control ^That's not good enough to be a #3 or #4? That reads like a #2 or #3 to me. All that said I think Thornton is probably a solid #4 maybe? I just don't understand Klaw's scouting report nor do I get the conclusion he gleans off of it.

But couldn't you also have good stuff and s***** command? And then on top of it you avoid walks anyway simply because you work the outer halves of the plate instead of the outer corners? It's almost splitting hairs but I see why the two different terms exist.

It is a little silly because command and control overlap to a large degree. But it's the industry standard so I use the same terms. It was always my understanding that control is simply the ability to avoid walks. Command is the ability to locate pitches within the zone, but since each pitcher throws each of their pitches at a different ability it really has to be broken down pitch by pitch. Someone could have good fastball command but s*** command over their breaking ball.

Yeah even if the scouting report is accurate (it's not) his conclusion simply doesnt follow.

Seems to have really good control which is different than command but you'd think with "top of the line stuff", really good control and bad command (over what pitches he doesnt day) he'd be a perfectly capable starter.

My guess is April 26th against the A's. They'll want to debut him at home IMO in an attempt to boost attendance a little bit. In a weekend series I could see him giving a nice little boost to the attendance numbers.

Yeah this thread was a better idea than what people are treating it as.

It was 80 degrees here yesterday!

They have a bad farm system too

Man a bet on the Jays today would have been a nice payout. I think we were +250 or something.

Ruining Boston's home opener and sending them into last place with a day off tomorrow to think about how horrible they are is great

Never in doubt!

full count with two outs im nervous lol

This is not good

The warning signs were there too. He put up 0.9 WAR in 2014 before bouncing back with 5.4 in 2015. They gave him the fat extension after that bounce back 2015 and he had a fine year in 2016 before imploding and sucking every year since.

Watching Freddy Galvis play illicits the exact opposite feelings that I get when I watch Alen Hanson play.

Yeah Biagini is not good enough to be given the 8th inning all to himself. Guys should have been warming up. Especially with the day off tomorrow.

Ok I see what you are saying now.

He was coming into the game anyway. Might as well just have him warm up a little early in case he needs to get an extra out in the 8th. Leaving Biagini in here is a disaster waiting to happen. They are all over him. This is poor bullpen management.