Terminator

Good lord another surgery? That guy is made of glass. The meltdowns that were being had over that trade at the time are hilarious in hindsight. I remember one poster in particular (who isn't welcome here anymore) had a psychotic break over it while calling Nick Frasso a "future superstar". lmao

Still can't believe that we got Mitch White for an oft-injured relief prospect. What a steal.

Jared Jones is hitting 101 mph? WTH

Chad Green's stuff is really good.

Yeah I've been repeating that he's from the Bay Area but he's actually from SoCal it looks like. Not sure where he resides exactly these days but I do know that it's in the state of CA. So San Fran isn't exactly his hometown but it is his home state and he has lived in the Bay Area before after playing for the A's. Close enough.

This is getting silly Dean. The whole thing could have been avoided if you hadn't jumped down my throat over the egregious mistake of listing Cavan Biggio as an occasional option in LF next to other notable LFers like Davis Schneider. In my defense I wasn't aware that Biggio is on record admitting that he can't play LF since he can't read the ball there. I'd argue that he can't read the ball in RF either though so what do I know. But even so, Ross needs to implement a full blown "double corner OF utility program" asap. Right fielders have been playing LF since the 1800s so I think it's time he gets with the program. I promise you that RFers can do it Dean, even if Cavan Biggio mysteriously can't. Though I suspect with Whit Merrifield gone (he's better in LF than RF now bc he got old and his arm sucks) he might have more opportunity to give LF another try. We've wasted enough time on this so I think at this point we will simply have to wait with bated breath to see if Cavan "Mr. Jack of No Trades" Biggio can add subpar LF defense to his repertoire. I'd say that it will be interesting to see what will happen but I can't because it won't be interesting at all. Cheers Dean.

Donaldson is calling it quits.

Wes Parsons would be the staff ace of the Boston Red Sox. We've got incredible starting pitching depth this year.

Are you serious Dean? Double corner OF utility? Lol you even hit me with a capital "YOU"! If a bench player can play RF he can also play LF. It's a simple concept Dean. Now the team probably does put some stock into a player's individual preference because the difference in value between the two positions is small. But your argument regarding Whit disproves your point because it shows the a previous LF roadblock is no longer with the team, thus clearing the way for more time in LF for Biggio if it comes to it.

Yeah IKF is a sneaky upside play (the team obviously thinks so as do I). His batted ball profile improved dramatically and was almost league average last year (.324 xwOBACON) and his defensive metrics show that he might be among the elite at 3B. Last year was a weird year for him because the Yankees had him playing the OF and through an ankle injury (his sprint speed dropped dramatically and should return to being well above average again). He already projects to be about 1.5 WAR player as is and that's not that bad for 2/15M as is. If his batted ball profile holds, his sprint speed returns and he's playing his best position full-time he might hit 2+ WAR.

Hurl doesn't know s***

Yeah he's probably ass in the OF but right now we don't have a true 4th OF on the team. Schneider is also probably ass but he's currently our 4th OF right now. I expect Biggio to see some time there as things currently stand. He's a lefty but he can actually hit certain lefty pitchers so there will be days where it makes sense to play him out there instead of KK.

I think he's played more RF as a function of Springer being hurt or needing days off. I can assure you that if he can play RF he can also play LF. Though I do agree that he sucks at both as well as 3B (which we once tried and he failed at miserably).

Going to be a ton of moving parts to the lineup this year. The platoons aren't going to be traditional lefty/righty platoons either but based more on pitch types. As you mentioned, 3B and 2B will see a ton of guys rotating through but DH (maybe Vogelbach if he makes the team as well as Jansen/Kirk) and LF (Schneider and some Biggio) are going to see a lot of that as well.

Barger hitting his 60th percentile projections probably makes him a better option at 3B against righties than those other guys too.

Barger hitting the 60th percentile projections as a 3B/RF would be a pretty sweet addition to the team. And you're right, him being able to play the field (over Vogelbach who can't) means less Turner at 3B, more DH days for Springer, etc.

Probably not but we are in a new era where we can track everyone's pitches and compare them to last year. Even vets come in to Spring with new tricks up their sleeve.

No statcast today is annoying. I'd like to look under the hood.

Yeah Davis would have been a better fit if we didn’t already have Turner.

For this to make sense there had to be some sort of huge falling out between the team and Chapman. No way you offer a guy 6 year for 120 mil and then end up not topping the deal he got with the Giants.

Regardless, Atkins is definitely on my own personal hot seat! He’s running a Top 5 payroll and we have a coin flip chance at the playoffs and a bottom 1/3 farm system. He needs a big year to keep his job.

The Turner deal is the biggest head scratcher but by that point you are probably right in that they had an idea that the Giants were always going to beat us on a one year deal. Even though it’s improved, some players still don’t want to play in TO. Chapman is a west coast guy that lives in Arizona. He doesn’t even have to move for ST anymore and he’s a lot closer to San Fran. Jays seem to do better with FL guys now, but there is still probably some hesitancy from CA/AZ guys. Jays internal projections might be down on Chapman anyway and the team may have been wise to pass on him and save their remaining dollars in case of injury. Manoah was iffy as is and now with a shoulder injury he’s even more of a question mark. Perhaps a German or Lorenzen signing is more necessary now.

Well it’s more of a Brandon Belt catch lightning in a bottle situation with a veteran on a one year deal. Giants resigned Flores too so they definitely will look to move Davis now I think.

It’s possible. He’s from the Bay Area and has spent his whole career there other than two years with us. Perhaps he couldn’t swallow crawling back to TO after turning down 100 mil previously. But a new start for his hometown team was something he could take. Regardless, now that his Jays career is over that was one hell of a trade. He piled up a bunch of WAR in a couple of seasons and now we get a comp pick. And we gave up nothing of significance in return.

TL;DR: The other moves are okay in a vacuum but the one that really screwed us was signing Turner for 13.5 mil in February at a time when it looked like the market was going to put a squeeze on Chapman and others and there were still plenty of DHs out there.