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Just having constructive discussion on another MLB organization. There is nothing wrong in stating that the Tigers over the next 5 years have a better young core in place than the Blue Jays which is obviously true lol. Like I asked Laika, can you name me an elite player similar to Riley Greene who is under club control until 2029 on the Blue Jays? Also, I acknowledged that the Jays ownership over the next 5 years has the edge because they are willing to spend money on FA's and adding to the payroll if need be.

Geez, it's not worth discussing other teams when comparing them to the Blue Jays on here. Just stating the obvious facts that Detroit has better younger core in place moving forward over the next 5 years than Toronto, while also acknowledging that Toronto though has the advantage of ownership willing to spend money on FAs or extensions. Some posters on here still take the blue pill maintaining their blissful ignorance when it comes to this organization and front office. I can't believe names like Horwitz and Clement are being used in the same discussion with some of the Tigers top prospects. They're solid players, but it's not even close lol.

It's not even close. Both Clark and Jobe are top 10 prospects in the entire game. Sure they might bust and never pan out, that's a possibility. If Clark and Jobe were on the Jays, definitely would be a different tone haha. But since they're on the Tigers, they're just "prospects."

Jays have an aging and expensive core, so they're going to have to spend a lot just to be a wild card contender over the next five years. I don't see them having a player like Riley Greene or an arm like Olson under club control until 2029. I said that the Jays from an ownership perspective are better since they can sign big name FA's and afford to re-sign someone like Vladdy. At the end of the day, in terms of farm system, young players and core, will give the edge to Detroit. In terms of ownership and spending, huge edge to the Jays!

You literally never read my post but alright. For upside, Parker Meadows and Colt Keith have more than the Jays younger group. Meadows can be identical to Greene. But yeah until they prove themselves, they might end up being trash or just average. I mentioned Skubal is only under control until 2027 and a lot depends if the Tigers can re-sign him or if they trade him. Can't you read? Riley Greene is really good and under control until 2029. Which player on his level on the Jays is under control until 2029 right now? Unless the Jays spend $250-300M to re-sign Vlad. Carpenter would be one of the best power hitters on the Jays right after Vladdy lol. Jobe at least is a top 10 prospect who is close to MLB ready. This is funny that you can't comprehend anything.

Yeah I agree as well. The Jays core and rotation that is locked up for the next couple of seasons is mostly on the wrong side of 30 and expensive. It's going to cost a lot to re-sign Vlad if they do, and Bo likely walks as a FA after 2025. Jays have to even spend more money this offseason on FA's in order to improve the club to make themselves a wildcard contender. As well, the Jays rotation is an expensive and aging one. The young players like Horwitz or young arms like YRod/Francis on the Jays are decent, but they're not on the same level as the core guys or prospects in Detroit. Detroit will never be as bad as Oakland or Tampa when it comes to spending. They've spent in the past on big players and arms via free agency or trades. If Toronto re-signs Vladdy and also could sign Soto, that definitely changes their outlook moving forward but we're talking about spending close to $700M on just two players haha.

Based on the current young core, the main guys in Detroit are under club control until 2029. Toronto doesn't even a young core that matches Detroit over the next couple of seasons. Position players who are under control: Riley Greene, Kerry Carpenter, Colt Keith, Parker Meadows. Better and younger than the Jays position player core. If the Tigers do a solid job adding around them via trades/free agency or if some of their prospects like Max Clark, Kevin McGonigle, Bryce Rainer or Jace Jung make an impact at the big level, they definitely have a positive outlook in the next 5 years. As for pitching, Tigers have a younger rotation led by Skubal (though he's a FA in 2027), Reese Olson (FA in 2030), and Casey Maze (FA in 2027). Top prospect Jackson Jobe also knocking on the door as well. As for depth arms or back-end of the rotation guys, they have Matt Manning, Alex Faedo, and Keider Montero. One of them might stick as a No 4/5 starter. Short term over the next two seasons, their rotation looks solid if healthy. Just need to add a veteran FA on a short term deal, kind of like what they did with Flaherty. The big question is can Detroit re-sign Skubal? I believe there were even trade deadline rumours involving him, so maybe he is dangled sometime before 2027. If they can't re-sign him past 2027, they have just a two-year window with him around, so gotta hope some of their positional players can take the next level. As for Toronto, they have more FA spending room and would be able to lock up their younger stars or top FA's. We'll see what happens with Vladdy, but if Vladdy was in Detroit he likely is traded or becomes a FA. Look at Skubal in Detroit and he likely gets traded before 2027 or walks via free agency. The issue is Toronto currently doesn't have a young solid core or rotation in comparison to Detroit right now. So by time it takes to draft & develop, the Blue Jays are a couple of years behind the Tigers on that front. If the Jays had the Tigers young core, they definitely would have the financial ability to lock up some of the core guys and build around them. Whereas Detroit really needs to take advantage within their 5-year window, or the next two-years with Skubal under control before he becomes a FA.

Can they still make the third wildcard?

My inbox in the LOD over the last week has been filling up.

Yeah its quite remarkable how he has held up and pitching at this elite level at the age of 35. If he stays healthy and continues to pitch at a high level for a couple of more seasons, he likely seals himself a ticket to Cooperstown.

Don't mean to sound argumentative haha if it came across the way. But yeah for the most part, I think we both agree and are on the same page that they would have to spend a lot and have a busy offseason in order to get back into contention. I think if they make some big moves, along with a Bo rebound, Springer playing like he has over the last 2 months and Vlad playing at an elite level like he has, under the current WC format, this team could contend over the 162 game season. - Definitely gotta sign a No. 1/2 starter which is a must. - Need to sign two big bats with pop for LF and DH. If not Soto, there are plenty of options like Santander, O"Neill, Pederson, Teo, Conforto, Kepler, Goldschmidt, Christian Walker. - Need to add at least two solid bullpen arms with high K/9 rates. - 3B: either roll with Clement or make a trade for someone like McMahon or Baty. I don't think there would be enough in the payroll to sign either Chapman or Bregman.

I also agree that with an active offseason and a couple of swift moves, the Jays could field a contending team in 2025.

The way Snell has pitched lately, he likely gets a 4-5 year deal north of $100M. Would rather spend the extra money to sign Burnes, or bring back Kikuchi on less years. Also, would try to sign Bieber to a 2-year deal with a high AAV, even if he misses the first two-three months of 2025. Tyler O'Neill should have been targeted last offseason. Regardless, I don't see him getting a 4-year deal given what we saw the market was like for corner OF's and DH's last offseason. Maybe a two-year deal or at most he gets something similar to Jorge Soler. O'Neill or Pederson would be great targets for LF/DH. Kenley Jansen likely doesn't sign here, neither does Scherzer if he decides to pitch again next season. Try and make a trade with the Oakland A's for either Brent Rooker or Mason Miller or both.

Need to sign someone like Burnes or maybe Bieber (likely will miss the first month or so). Not opposed to bringing Kikuchi back as well. Would rather sign Kikuchi than Fried or Snell.

What a pitching dual last night between Chris Sale and Blake Snell. Both combined for 13.1 shutout innings and 23 K's!

Angels in the Outfield with an all-star cast! Such a baseball classic! Danny Glover Joseph Gordon-Levitt Matthew McConaughey Tony Danza Christopher Lloyd Adrian Brody William Dear played the Blue Jays manager in the movie.

Going to watch Angels in the Outfield instead.

Out of his 16 home runs this season, he's equally hit 8 HR's at home and 8 HR's on the road this season.

Why were you rostering Kris Bryant? lol. He would be the third most valuable position player on the Jays season. He doesn't suck.

McMahon would be the third most valuable player on the Jays this season at 2.2 WAR, but alright he sucks!

IKF all of a sudden had a breakout this season. He's never produced at this level prior to 2024. I think posters were more mad at IKF starting at third base because the FO did very little to improve the lineup this offseason and instead focused on more defensive minded players, which was saw backfire huge. IKF turned out to be a very solid signing (see I give Atkins credit when it's warranted). McMahon at $11.67M over the next three years is actually very reasonable and he can opt out after 2025 or 2026. If he has a big season, he likely will opt out and could get more money. What has this lineup struggled with this season? Home runs! Like you don't get it and ignorance is on some other level. They need some pop and if McMahon offers 20-25 HR's along with strong defense, that helps a lot lol. You can't build a one-dimensional lineup/roster that is only defensive oriented.

Has IKF ever hit 24 HR's in a season or has he ever had multiple seasons of 2.5 WAR or better? Just asking. IKF is at $7.5M whereas McMahon is at $11.67M (with a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026).

Dylan Carlson in his first 8 games with Rays hasn't been that bad. Still very early, but I could see Carlson being a decent OF option for them.

Nothing wrong with Ryan McMahon at third base if you want a left-handed bat who is solid defensively and has experience. He's going to give you a WAR between 2.5 and 3 most likely with 20-25 HR's. Nothing special offensively, but still a solid option nonetheless. The Rockies likely don't trade him anyways, since logic doesn't exist with that organization. Baty is younger and has more upside given his age, but has very little experience and has looked overmatched at the big league level. If the Jays plan on not contending in 2025, he's a fine target in hoping a change of scenery helps rejuvenate his bat. If the Jays plan on contending, Baty can still be a decent option if the Jays decide to spend most of their payroll elsewhere like resigning Vlad to an extension, finding a bat for LF and DH and a top of the rotation arm. Having him platoon with Clement wouldn't be a bad thing, if the Jays need to allot money elsewhere on the roster. As for Jake Burger, defensively he's awful but if you brought him in mainly as a DH who occasionally could play some 3B alongside with Clement, not the end of the world. Not my first, second or third choice, but he does offer some raw power, which is what this lineup has really lacked this season. Since July 1st, Burger has posted a 191 wRC+ which is tied for 8th best in all of baseball and leads all of baseball with 15 HR's since! Jays could definitely use a bat like that.

I said it looks like he's going to be a bust. I acknowledged that he's still young enough where he's worth rolling the dice on if the acquisition cost is reasonable. If the Jays decide to spend big money in the rotation and other areas in the lineup such as LF and DH, I have no issue with the Jays acquiring Baty and having him battle or platoon with Clement at 3B.