That's kind of cool tbh. Good for Pompey.
A lot of guys who don't make it in baseball and aren't able to bank retirement money just end up as... used car salesmen, or baseball coaches in some fringe league or training facility where they probably make like $30k a year.
It's kind of mature to just let the game go. Some guys can't.
It's sad as f*** that he flopped though. He was a rock solid, multi-tool prospect. Made contact, played D, hit for some power, could steal bases. He excelled in the minors with great age vs. level figures. Projection systems probably loved him.
I mean it WOULD have been cool to see him spin a CG win over the Astros while throwing under 90 pitches.
Just too bad it was the top of the order due up in the 9th and not the 6-8 hitters.
Yeah people are pretty stupid. Since 2021 he is 11th best RP in WAR and 8th best in ERA.
Emmanuel Clase leads the league in blown saves this year and he's perhaps the best RP in baseball (best since 2021; best projected ERA probably). Felix Bautista is tied for the 2nd most blown saves and he is a good alternate candidate for best RP in baseball.
The likelihood that the Houston Astros would score one run against Chris Bassitt in the 9th inning, after seeing him multiple times already that game, is probably 2-3 times higher than the likelihood they will score one run against Romano.
I think it's just anecdotal and people hang their negative emotions on specific memories and specific pitching decisions. One thing in the modern game that makes people uncomfortable is that many pitchers spam breaking balls; there is this notion that breaking balls are wild and fastballs are easier to control. While that used to be true, it's simply not anymore for most pitchers.
Nobody talks about Paxton Schultz at all. I can't even find a scouting report on him.
But his K-BB numbers are okay and his stuff might also be... not horrible?
Here is a two year old video of him throwing 93-95 with a decent looking breaking ball that gets up to 88.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5nLo7vaWkk
In other words, he is probably above Mitchy White on the SP depth chart right now.
I burned #1 priority to get Smith-Shawver in the BBDL
I'm not enamored with him or anything but the stuff seems good, the strikeouts are there, and the stuff probably plays as a keepable RP even if he sucks as a starter.
Yeah I thought we would see priorities #1 and #2 get burned on ASS and Abbott.
Not as sure about Woo.
We rarely even do the debut waivers thing but these guys were too good to handle differently.
Sorry Carlos, this is f***ing stupid.
Even with Manoah being HORRENDOUS I think the Toronto SP group leads MLB in innings pitched. So don't f***ing talk to me about:
"The pitching depth, lack of also has a direct corelation on the pen as we all know."
do your homework!
Manoah in college
stuff is identical
he is like, 40+ lbs thinner though
look at his f***ing waist. i bet there is an extra 6 inches on it now. maybe more.
I would disagree here because you are ignoring injury risk in the top 5.
The Yankees NEED significantly better options 6-10 because they roster guys like Carlos Rodon and Luis Severino. Similarly the Dodgers employ a whole list of pitchers with injury histories.
Injury risk is part of depth.
I don't want to tempt fate here but Toronto has had the healthiest rotation in baseball and it's not entirely random. Guys like Gausman and Bassitt and Berrios and maybe even Kikuchi were chosen in part for their health track record. It's a major part of the calculus when Toronto signs FA pitchers.
Brownie has demonstrated that these teams have already had to dip to "bad depth". So they aren't doing any better than Toronto on depth this year, despite having more names.
Reds are surprisingly decent. They have done a good job cycling through their collection of fringe players and they have found some decent contributors like Fraley, Friedl, and Steer.
They won't have the SPs lined up to compete next year though. They basically need all of Greene, Ashcraft, Lodolo, Abbott, Connor Phillips, and Chase Petty to be good and stay healthy. That's a tall ask. They should be on the hunt for a veteran, reliable SP or two.
Rodriguez should be better
On the flip side, Kelenic is way better than expected
Suarez is playing exactly like he did before Seattle acquired him. His 2022 may have been a dead cat bounce.
Wong is a 32 year old infielder with some fringe tools. Sometimes they just die overnight.
Pollock is ancient.
I would expect a big second half from Teoscar.
Yeah I would be tempted to do something similar. I dunno about the conditioning and weighted ball stuff - that is offseason work.
But I think a mental break is in order (no pitching, just light tossing) and then some time just doing mechanical work and drills.
Just send Manoah down and call up Francis if he is healthy. If he's not, call up Kloffenstein.
Easy decision.
Why is everyone even complaining about depth? Ryu is coming back, Tieds will be back, Francis is throwing okay in limited innings, Kloffenstein in AA is doing very well. The Jays are okay, maybe, if they need a long term promotion or two.
And if they need a spot start or bullpen game they have all those shittier names... along with potential interesting bullpen game options in Pearson/Richards/Zulueta/Juenger etc.
They could probably ask Richards + Pearson for 5 innings in replace of Manoah's next start, if they want.
I doubt that the quality of arms in AAA/AA has anything to do with the decision on sending down Manoah. I would guarantee that said decision has been 100% about Manoah.
Same story as last year. You cannot assemble SP depth season-to-season.
The only way to assemble quality SP depth is to be overflowing with viable SP prospects in the upper minors so that you tend to have one healthy and throwing well when you need them.
But I wouldn't start complaining about the "what ifs" until they happen. Yes Manoah sucks and should be demoted.
But the Jays SP strategy for depth also relies a lot on just riding their horses who have track records of health. Maybe they think their starting five have a high chance of staying healthy. Maybe the team is right about that.