[Hector Gomez] - Jays are Intensifying Talks for Marte + Restructured Deal

[Jays24]

Take the Rumor for what its worth.  I dont get why we'd pay the assets to trade for him just to give him a fatter extension as well.   

The best part of trading for him to justify giving up prospects amid his off field issues was his contract so we'd have enough to add other major pieces as well.  Im a big Marte fan on the field but not liking hearing that unless the prospect cost is minimal.

[BTS]

His current CBT hit is like 13.875M a year for the next 4 years. I get that he's probably demanding an extension in order to waive his NTC, but the rumoured extension seems very rich. Maybe things are more complicated than that. 

[bluejaysinternNo5]

He better come basically free if that's the case.  Free in terms of prospect capital, that is.

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, BTS said:

His current CBT hit is like 13.875M a year for the next 4 years. I get that he's probably demanding an extension in order to waive his NTC, but the rumoured extension seems very rich. Maybe things are more complicated than that. 

Maybe Arizona is going to pay some of Marte's deal or would agree to take on Santander to get him to waive his no trade?  Lets see how it shakes out (if at all) but theres definitely gotta be more to it. 

[BTS]

Hard to tell exactly what he's owed in real dollars because his contract has a bunch of performance-based escalators. Looks like 5/75.5 before the escalators (and it seems like he's hit some of them) with that 5th year being a player optin for 11.5M (plus escalators). So 135M would be an increase of 40-60M over 4 years for Marte, which he'd be demanding in exchange for waiving his 10-5 rights and accepting the trade. 

The salary seems fair, but it sucks that the CBT (or cap) hit would go from like 14M to almost 35M. Unless the old contract being torn up still factors into the CBT hit? 

You have to be a CBA expert to understand the details of this situation. 

Either way, Arizona's return here should be light if Marte comes with a market value restructuring. Unless they're taking on Santander or something. 

[Jays24]

13 minutes ago, BTS said:

Hard to tell exactly what he's owed in real dollars because his contract has a bunch of performance-based escalators. Looks like 5/75.5 before the escalators (and it seems like he's hit some of them) with that 5th year being a player optin for 11.5M (plus escalators). So 135M would be an increase of 40-60M over 4 years for Marte, which he'd be demanding in exchange for waiving his 10-5 rights and accepting the trade. 

The salary seems fair, but it sucks that the CBT (or cap) hit would go from like 14M to almost 35M. Unless the old contract being torn up still factors into the CBT hit? 

You have to be a CBA expert to understand the details of this situation. 

Either way, Arizona's return here should be light if Marte comes with a market value restructuring. Unless they're taking on Santander or something. 

Is there anyway to give him a massive signing bonus without it impacting his CBT hit? Or maybe that contract will be heavily deferred to lower the CBT hit.  

[BTS]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Is there anyway to give him a massive signing bonus without it impacting his CBT hit?

Not under the current CBA

[Laika]

Restructure and defer all money until 2040 and get them to take Santander 

ez 

[Jays24]

[hanton]

"..intensifying talks.."  vs  "..some interest.."

 

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, hanton said:

"..intensifying talks.."  vs  "..some interest.."

 

Its the restructuring of the contract talks that made the rumor seem serious.  We'll see how it shakes out in the next few days. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

I'd imagine Clement would be going back the other way, or at least be going somewhere.

 

No need for both Clement and Smith on the bench, and Smith will likely get a lower arb deal more suited for a bench player.

[abola2121]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

"Arizona's price said to be high"

Those motherf***ers owe us for Moreno, and it's not as if they have a whole lot of leverage in these talks.

[james jones]

I'd rather take Jazz than giving up our prospects. Marte is not worth emptying our thin farm + Jays have to restructure his deal.

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

"Arizona's price said to be high"

Those motherf***ers owe us for Moreno, and it's not as if they have whole lot of leverage in these talks.

They also didnt when we handed them one of the best prospects in baseball for Varsho so im semi scared lol.  

[glory]

The biggest reason to value Marte aside from his talent is his contract. Restructuring it would defeat the purpose. If he only had two more “Marte” level seasons in him before he fell off a cliff, he’d probably still end up meeting or exceeding the value on his current contract. Much more difficult to do with the numbers Hector is throwing out there.

With that said, it’s Hector, so his sources are likely the voices in his head.

[Brownie19]

55 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

They also didnt when we handed them one of the best prospects in baseball for Varsho so im semi scared lol.  

"Handed".  You just can't help yourself eh

[Jays24]

42 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

"Handed".  You just can't help yourself eh

Sure, handed was a strong choice of word there.  Ill strike that from the records lol. 

[Bob_Gratton]

4 hours ago, BTS said:

His current CBT hit is like 13.875M a year for the next 4 years. I get that he's probably demanding an extension in order to waive his NTC, but the rumoured extension seems very rich. Maybe things are more complicated than that. 

At such price better to put that money on Lowe. Unless what we will give up to DBack won't be our best prospect. The Varsho trade should make Atkins be more careful, and refuse that King, Parker, Yesevage be included.

[Bob_Gratton]

Lowe, Chisholm, Arraez should be the priority before Marte, unless DBack almost give him for free. I suspect them to ask Parker or King with Clement or Lukes, and then they will sign Chisholm or Lowe, and our GM will look like a noob🤣

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Sure, handed was a strong choice of word there.  Ill strike that from the records lol. 

I can't wait to re-open the validity of the Moreno/Varsho trade in 2036 with you.

[Stangstag]

5 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I can't wait to re-open the validity of the Moreno/Varsho trade in 2036 with you.

You know even if he loses this argument, he’ll just keep pointing to Varsho not winning game 7 when he had his opportunity. As if that makes the entire acquisition terrible 

[Jays24]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

I can't wait to re-open the validity of the Moreno/Varsho trade in 2036 with you.

I saw a post of Moreno and it made remember the discourse over him at the time.  This stuff happens, dont get so hurt over it.  

[L54]

3 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Sure, handed was a strong choice of word there.  Ill strike that from the records lol. 

Gotta keep an eye out for the verb police