Selling?

[Brownie19]

6 minutes ago, metafour said:

 

This projected trade sucks. Gausman should be able to land a package around a potential Top 100-125 prospect. Druw Jones is really just a reclamation project at this point.

Yeah - I agree.  Unless you really liked Bratt - I hope/think the Jays can do better.  I just posted it for the sake of conversation.

It's wild to think about how awful Druw Jones has been.  I know there were concerns about his swing coming out of HS - and injuries have derailed things a bit, but he's the #2 pick from 2022!

[metafour]

32 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - I agree.  Unless you really liked Bratt - I hope/think the Jays can do better.  I just posted it for the sake of conversation.

Fangraphs has Bratt at #19 and Druw Jones at #27 in the D-Backs system. That's not getting them Gausman lol.

[Forever92]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - I agree.  Unless you really liked Bratt - I hope/think the Jays can do better.  I just posted it for the sake of conversation.

It's wild to think about how awful Druw Jones has been.  I know there were concerns about his swing coming out of HS - and injuries have derailed things a bit, but he's the #2 pick from 2022!

Would you trade Varland if Mason Miller type package is on the table?

[metafour]

32 minutes ago, Forever92 said:

Would you trade Varland if Mason Miller type package is on the table?

That package won't be be on the table, but if it hypothetically was then yes they absolutely should.

They should still listen to offers regardless, but I doubt they will because they'll intend to try to contend next season.

[Brownie19]

The Cubs seem like a good landing spot for Gausman - even Bieber.  Their starting pitching leaves a lot to be desired.

Kevin Alcántara seems like an obvious target.  Ethan Conrad and Kane Kepley would also be of interest.  

[G-Snarls]

Trade 2 or 3 among Bieber, Gausman, Scherzer plus Varsho and Springer. (Keep Bieber if you can't get what a QO comp pick would get you)

Keep Vladdy, Kirk, Valenzuela, Gimenez, Clement, Lukes, Barger, Okamoto, Yesavage, Cease, and 2/3 of the bullpen, 

Get Taillon for league minimum (yuck but whatever he can eat innings the rest of the season for a couple hundred grand)

Let Chad Dallas and Spencer Miles have a run starting with a reasonable innings limit 

Stop using Varland as much.

Play Straw every day cause he's fine

Play Clase full time one he's healthy 

Get a top 10 draft pick 

Re-sign Gausman in the off season 

Get Santander and Barger healthy 

Add a legit OF bat in the off season via trade 

Add a solid starter and lefty reliever via free agency 

You're good to go for 2017/2018 

[Forever92]

20 hours ago, metafour said:

That package won't be be on the table, but if it hypothetically was then yes they absolutely should.

They should still listen to offers regardless, but I doubt they will because they'll intend to try to contend next season.

If I could get a Jo-Jo Parker type prospect plus a Johnny King type prospect. Along with a MLB arm and a decent throw -in? If do it. 

[Forever92]

2 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Trade 2 or 3 among Bieber, Gausman, Scherzer plus Varsho and Springer. (Keep Bieber if you can't get what a QO comp pick would get you)

Keep Vladdy, Kirk, Valenzuela, Gimenez, Clement, Lukes, Barger, Okamoto, Yesavage, Cease, and 2/3 of the bullpen, 

Get Taillon for league minimum (yuck but whatever he can eat innings the rest of the season for a couple hundred grand)

Let Chad Dallas and Spencer Miles have a run starting with a reasonable innings limit 

Stop using Varland as much.

Play Straw every day cause he's fine

Play Clase full time one he's healthy 

Get a top 10 draft pick 

Re-sign Gausman in the off season 

Get Santander and Barger healthy 

Add a legit OF bat in the off season via trade 

Add a solid starter and lefty reliever via free agency 

You're good to go for 2017/2018 

After last night, you moving Bieber for nil. Only save salary 

[G-Snarls]

33 minutes ago, Forever92 said:

After last night, you moving Bieber for nil. Only save salary 

Hopefully he eventually rights himself and is worthy of a qualifying offer. He can be given one correct?  Nothing about last year negated it as far as I can recall. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

15 minutes ago, Forever92 said:

After last night, you moving Bieber for nil. Only save salary 

My favorite thing about emotional fans is how they think MLB front offices react to small sample sizes the same way they do.

[G-Snarls]

10 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

My favorite thing about emotional fans is how they think MLB front offices react to small sample sizes the same way they do.

3 rusty starts

3 really good ones

1 inning with bizarre inability to grip the ball

IDK what other execs will think or be willing to give up for him.  We'll see what happens. 

 

[glory]

12 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

My favorite thing about emotional fans is how they think MLB front offices react to small sample sizes the same way they do.

To be fair, Bieber's Savant page is very blue. He's been pretty bad. It's only 7 starts but he's coming off an injury where he missed 3 months so the lack of control and the decline in stuff is meaningful despite the small sample. 

His next scheduled day would be Sunday, so I doubt he's getting another start. I'd be shocked if the Jays get anything worthwhile for him.

[Eat My Shatkins]

4 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

3 rusty starts

3 really good ones

1 inning with bizarre inability to grip the ball

IDK what other execs will think or be willing to give up for him.  We'll see what happens. 

 

Yeah, im not saying he has tremendous value right now, but that weirdness yesterday didnt suddenly make him untradeable. 

Everybody knows what hes capable of and even as a quality #3 SP he's going to have value as a rental for a team in the race IMO

We'll find out soon enough I guess.

[Brownie19]

Just sayin' - we traded for Bieber last year without him pitching a single game at the ML level.

We're not getting a Top 100 prospect for him, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gives us a lottery ticket to find out if he can round into form...

[RobinThicc]

Gimenez for Bichette swap. 
 

Clement plays short, Bichette at 2B.

[Forever92]

2 hours ago, glory said:

To be fair, Bieber's Savant page is very blue. He's been pretty bad. It's only 7 starts but he's coming off an injury where he missed 3 months so the lack of control and the decline in stuff is meaningful despite the small sample. 

His next scheduled day would be Sunday, so I doubt he's getting another start. I'd be shocked if the Jays get anything worthwhile for him.

That clunker of a start definitely going to turn off a lot of scouts. You could tell something wrong there 

[Brownie19]

I wonder if Springer is becoming a valuable trade chip.  Teams need RH power hitters.  

Springer since:

May 15th - 116 wRC+, .195 ISO

June 1st - 125 wRC+, .196 ISO

June 15th - 132 wRC+, .215 ISO

Gotta wonder what his season looks like if he didn't break his toe early.  George is still a stud.  Proven playoff performer and clubhouse leader.  It's probably not a Top 100 prospect, but he could fetch us something interesting.

Selfishly, I'd love to see George re-sign with the Jays and go year by year and retire a Jay - but I think we move him if we can get something of value.  I'd be open to having him back in 2027 too (yes we'd still need to add something more substantial offensively - not suggesting this is our FA 'fix').

 

[G-Snarls]

9 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I wonder if Springer is becoming a valuable trade chip.  Teams need RH power hitters.  

Springer since:

May 15th - 116 wRC+, .195 ISO

June 1st - 125 wRC+, .196 ISO

June 15th - 132 wRC+, .215 ISO

Gotta wonder what his season looks like if he didn't break his toe early.  George is still a stud.  Proven playoff performer and clubhouse leader.  It's probably not a Top 100 prospect, but he could fetch us something interesting.

Selfishly, I'd love to see George re-sign with the Jays and go year by year and retire a Jay - but I think we move him if we can get something of value.  I'd be open to having him back in 2027 too (yes we'd still need to add something more substantial offensively - not suggesting this is our FA 'fix').

 

 

The Teams with the Worst DH Production

Atlanta Braves: The DH position has been a massive weak spot for Atlanta, producing a meager .652 OPS over recent months, which ranks 26th across Major League Baseball and has heavily prompted their front office to search for trade deadline upgrades. [1]

Pittsburgh Pirates: Pittsburgh has continuously bottomed out the league in DH metrics, largely due to cycling underperforming bats like Jack Sinsky—who carried a brutal .147 batting average and visual sub-.540 OPS in regular DH stretches. [1]

Seattle Mariners: Seattle has consistently struggled to find continuity at DH, historically sliding into the bottom tier of MLB with a combined positional average under .200 as they frequently rotate bench players and resting catchers rather than deploying a true, middle-of-the-order threat. [1, 2]

Kansas City Royals: Ranking near the bottom of positional power rankings, the Royals have failed to generate standard league-average power from the spot, dragged down by fill-ins like Jonathan India managing a subpar sub-.670 OPS.

[G-Snarls]

Pittsburgh, yes!!!!!!

[metafour]

20 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I wonder if Springer is becoming a valuable trade chip.  Teams need RH power hitters.  

His scenario is complex because he has full 10-5 rights so they can't trade him anywhere without his permission. He will have a lot of interest, but how many of those teams would want to acquire him in a platoon or bench role which cuts his playing time? If he stays in Toronto he is obviously the everyday DH.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

I wonder if Springer is becoming a valuable trade chip.  Teams need RH power hitters.  

Springer since:

May 15th - 116 wRC+, .195 ISO

June 1st - 125 wRC+, .196 ISO

June 15th - 132 wRC+, .215 ISO

Gotta wonder what his season looks like if he didn't break his toe early.  George is still a stud.  Proven playoff performer and clubhouse leader.  It's probably not a Top 100 prospect, but he could fetch us something interesting.

Selfishly, I'd love to see George re-sign with the Jays and go year by year and retire a Jay - but I think we move him if we can get something of value.  I'd be open to having him back in 2027 too (yes we'd still need to add something more substantial offensively - not suggesting this is our FA 'fix').

 

He certainly has value, Petriello was on today before the game saying if he gets moved there's certainly value there, his bat speed/barrels/ev etc are all back to last seasons levels unlike earlier in the season. He played with that broken toe(likely his early troubles masked by this), guy's a gamer and will likely end up on a contender. He might comeback, you never say never.

 

 

[hanton]

The Astros could use another bat, Springer? he'd have to be ok playing the field though

[Forever92]

8 hours ago, hanton said:

The Astros could use another bat, Springer? he'd have to be ok playing the field though

Braves could use a veteran right handed outfield bat.