Rays (Jax) vs Blue Jays (Cease): 5/13/26, 7:07pm

[Laika]

Classic Geoff Huffman win 

[neverbeenhere]

Hopefully this is a turning point 

[G-Snarls]

Can't believe that's how it ended 

LOL beauty 

[dancingmachine]

1 minute ago, Jays24 said:

I was like we gotta be able hit this dude straight from the Mexican League man.

He had like 8 plus era 

[John_Havok]

Just now, Stangstag said:

I love Varsho but he’s been tough to watch lately with the bat.

Good for him, big hit

Hopefully the start of a tear where he jacks 5-7 HRs over the next 3 weeks or so

[Omar]

7 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Its at the point where i wanna just tune out for a few weeks and check back in sometime in June

[DownSouthBlueJay]

What happened I turned the game off

[Waylanderz]

How about those walks by Vladdy and Okamoto!  Huge.  Especially Vladdy.

[Scionz]

Hitting an oppo HR when nothing was carrying all game is very impressive.

[HomeRunHomer]

Just now, Scionz said:

Hitting an oppo HR when nothing was carrying all game is very impressive.

I didn't think it had a chance at all.

[G-Snarls]

55 minutes ago, DownSouthBlueJay said:

What happened I turned the game off

Hoffman tried to blow it by giving up 2 runs in the top of the 10th

Then Varsho walked it off with an opposite field grand slam 

[hanton]

Brooks dfa? lol

[dancingmachine]

Just now, hanton said:

Brooks dfa? lol

 

Just now, hanton said:

Brooks dfa? lol

He should be he stinks 

[Stangstag]

13 minutes ago, Omar said:

Honestly this man. Its an addiction. The mental toll this team inflicts upon me is heavy.

[Laika]

A-a-ron Brooks threw one strike in 17 pitches

 

[Laika]

I mean when your stuff is bad and you are up against a nervous group of hackers, it makes sense. He probably locks it down with that pitch chart if he doesn't have to face Vlad and Kaz who were/are more patient.

Sosa and Clement are certainly slapping something at their eyeballs in play and Varsho was close to striking out (Brooks just didn't get the high FB inside enough). Straw probably pulls a 310 foot flyball on a high fastball. 

[Olerud363.354]

34 minutes ago, Laika said:

I mean when your stuff is bad and you are up against a nervous group of hackers, it makes sense. He probably locks it down with that pitch chart if he doesn't have to face Vlad and Kaz who were/are more patient.

Sosa and Clement are certainly slapping something at their eyeballs in play and Varsho was close to striking out (Brooks just didn't get the high FB inside enough). Straw probably pulls a 310 foot flyball on a high fastball. 

Jays are last in walks.  Last in on base percentage.  Last in OPS+.  In the American League. 

Last year they were first in on base percentage, third in walks. 

They replaced Bo Bichette with Okamoto who gets more walks and same on base percentage.

So decline is injuries and other players not walking. 

The combo of Giminez,  Clement and Sosa have 9 walks in 400 at bats

Last year those players (say Wagner was there instead of Sosa) got like 30 walks per 400 at bats.  Now they get 9. 

Cito Gaston says you can't tell the boys to walk more because it will mess them up other ways. 

Can you really have a team that has players that walk 2 times per 100 at bats though ? 

[G-Snarls]

13 hours ago, Laika said:

Classic Geoff Huffman win 

Why pitcher wins are whack 

Cease 7 IP 1 run, left with the game tied 

Hoffman 1 IP 2 runs, left with a 2 run deficit 

Hoffman gets the win 

[Terminator]

• The Yankees ace FRIED his elbow yesterday (see what I did there?)
• Volpe is back in the lineup and booting the ball around
• The Jays season was saved with a walk off grand slam

How's everyone feeling today?

[G-Snarls]

9 minutes ago, Terminator said:

• The Yankees ace FRIED his elbow yesterday (see what I did there?)
• Volpe is back in the lineup and booting the ball around
• The Jays season was saved with a walk off grand slam

How's everyone feeling today?

Feeling good man

Thanks for asking

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

Why pitcher wins are whack 

Cease 7 IP 1 run, left with the game tied 

Hoffman 1 IP 2 runs, left with a 2 run deficit 

Hoffman gets the win 

Yeah it makes zero sense. I don’t care that the current rule is “last pitcher that pitched with the lead” gets the W. It needs a change.

 

[Governator]

43 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah it makes zero sense. I don’t care that the current rule is “last pitcher that pitched with the lead” gets the W. It needs a change.

 

It's technically not even the rule, it's just the scorer giving it to them every time regardless.

Win (W)

Definition

A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/win
 

When has that ever happened?  LOL

[Laika]

It happens if your team, say, takes the lead for good in the first inning but the SP only goes 3 innings. 

[Terminator]

24 minutes ago, Governator said:

It's technically not even the rule, it's just the scorer giving it to them every time regardless.

Win (W)

Definition

A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/win
 

When has that ever happened?  LOL

It very rarely happens. I think it's called the "brief and ineffective" exception and it's fairly new.

I've seen it just a couple of times but the reliever needs to come in and just completely s*** the bed and cough up the lead for the scorer to take the win from him and give it to another reliever.

Here's one example: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36173995/oakland-chad-smith-gets-win-scorer-applies-obscure-rule

[Governator]

17 minutes ago, Terminator said:

It very rarely happens. I think it's called the "brief and ineffective" exception and it's fairly new.

I've seen it just a couple of times but the reliever needs to come in and just completely s*** the bed and cough up the lead for the scorer to take the win from him and give it to another reliever.

Here's one example: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36173995/oakland-chad-smith-gets-win-scorer-applies-obscure-rule

 

They probably just don't want to piss anyone off, they already get s*** on for giving borderline Errors against their own team.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah it makes zero sense. I don’t care that the current rule is “last pitcher that pitched with the lead” gets the W. It needs a change.

 

Just remove pitching wins and loses altogether.  They have always been stupid and unnecessary.  Should Varsho get a "win" because he hit the walk off HR last night?  No - no he should not.  

Teams get wins and loses, players do not.  They should remove them from goalie stats in hockey as well.

[Governator]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Just remove pitching wins and loses altogether.  They have always been stupid and unnecessary.  Should Varsho get a "win" because he hit the walk off HR last night?  No - no he should not.  

Teams get wins and loses, players do not.  They should remove them from goalie stats in hockey as well.

Yea the W is so dumb, just see King Felix. It's why we have WAR anyway.

[Olerud363.354]

50 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Just remove pitching wins and loses altogether.  They have always been stupid and unnecessary.  Should Varsho get a "win" because he hit the walk off HR last night?  No - no he should not.  

Teams get wins and loses, players do not.  They should remove them from goalie stats in hockey as well.

Disagree with this.  It's a fun stat and people know now to take it with a grain of salt and it would still be used as a pseudo tie breaker.   

Man it was fun watching Jack Morris get 20 wins.  First to do it for the Blue Jays.  Great to see Halladay get 20 wins in 2003.  Fun to Watch J.D. Happ do it in 2016.

And no they didn't give 2 of those 3 a Cy Young. 

 

[Olerud363.354]

After watching Pluribus, with a subscription that was meant for Friday night baseball, but used to watch other shows as baseball no longer brought joy,  I wonder if there a slow moving alien virus going around creating a hive mind.  I remember a poster, not sure if he still posts loved to call a certain faction of this fine community 'the hive mind'. 

Here are some of the things the hive mind seems to like

1.  Eliminate all low level minor league teams in rural and northern U.S. and move all to efficient labs in Florida with games at 10:00, 2:30 and 7:00.

2.  Eliminate pitchers wins.  The win is collective.

3.  Eliminate historical discussions of team performance like the recent 'Are Boston Red Sox losers' discussion which was closed.  All discussions must efficiently focus on the hive's goals. 

What are the hives goals?  I am not sure yet.  They are still somewhat human I think, and they enjoy discussing baseball, just in a sort of collective way and get annoyed at those of us who are immune to the collective virus. 

[Laika]

Just assign the W to the pitcher with the highest WPA in the game, on the team that won. Same for the L. 

Also, add a new stat - hitter wins and losses.

Basically just translates WPA, a stupid nerd stat that only f***ing nerds care about, into a classic man stat with hair on its chest that any steak eating American can wrap their tough head around. 

Wins last night: Varsho, Cease
Losses: Brooks, Simpson

flawless stat