[ALCS GM 5] Blue Jays (Gausman) vs Mariners (Miller): 10/17/25, 6:08pm

[jaysblue]

26 minutes ago, Omar said:

Give me a break.  No, they're buying championships.  Look at their starting nine.  I'll give you Pages that's it.

  

If the Dodgers are buying championships, what about the Jays?

They were targeting Ohtani, Soto, Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Sasaki as free agents over the last two years. As well, Jays have Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Hoffman, Santander all on big contracts. They traded for Bieber. 

I'm sure if the Jays signed one of Ohtani or Soto, along with resigning Vladdy to his monster contract, you wouldn't be complaining. 

[Big_Walleye]

Now there's some BS circulating about Little (or his family) receiving threats on social media.  FFS people!!!  It was bad enough when Yankees fans did that to Yesavage.  Now Jays "fans" are doing it to their own team.

I've always felt that it's wrong to throw teammates, colleagues or friends under the bus.  There's plenty of reasons why that's not a good idea but at the top of the list is inciting people to do stupid things like this.

Nobody feels worse than Brendon Little or John Schneider after what happened last night.  Their teammates know that and the last thing they'll do is throw them under a greyhound.  Good teammates pick each other up when they're down and every player on that team wants to do that tomorrow.  If not they might as well not show up.

If I was John Schneider or Brendon Little I would tell every one of Siddall, Joseph, Shipman and Pillar to pound sand next time they come looking for a quote.

[Spanky__99]

18 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

If the Dodgers are buying championships, what about the Jays?

They were targeting Ohtani, Soto, Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Sasaki as free agents over the last two years. As well, Jays have Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Hoffman, Santander all on big contracts. They traded for Bieber. 

I'm sure if the Jays signed one of Ohtani or Soto, along with resigning Vladdy to his monster contract, you wouldn't be complaining. 

Did you just comp. the Jays payroll to the Dodgers? lmao...🤔😅

[max silver]

4 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

I have some info but its 2nd hand so I'm not willing to share just yet.  

Siddall absolutely ripped into Schneider last night when he had no facts whatsoever.   He has no idea what caused the decisions that were made but he went off anyway.  I prefer to give the people that have provided us with this great playoff run the benefit of the doubt.

The decision to bring in Little to face the top of the Mariners lineup was inexcusable. Little has been struggling tremendously to retire right handed hitters, and both of Raleigh and Polanco are better hitters from the right side. This gave me flashbacks to the 2022 post season when Schneider brought in Tim Mayza with Carlos Santana a single hitter away in the lineup. Mayza had pronounced splits that season, and Santana was a more dangerous hitter from the right hand side. History just repeated itself, and with Schneider going completely off script instead of actually using his closer in a close game he opened himself up to every bit of criticism that comes his way. The reasoning that was given for inserting Little into the game was asinine, as he simply hasn't been very effective dating back several months now, and for the manager to insist that this is the best choice to bring into a 1 run game in the highest leverage spot of the entire season while his closer sits on the bullpen bench just doesn't pass mustard.

[Jonn]

27 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Now there's some BS circulating about Little (or his family) receiving threats on social media.  FFS people!!!  It was bad enough when Yankees fans did that to Yesavage.  Now Jays "fans" are doing it to their own team.

I've always felt that it's wrong to throw teammates, colleagues or friends under the bus.  There's plenty of reasons why that's not a good idea but at the top of the list is inciting people to do stupid things like this.

Nobody feels worse than Brendon Little or John Schneider after what happened last night.  Their teammates know that and the last thing they'll do is throw them under a greyhound.  Good teammates pick each other up when they're down and every player on that team wants to do that tomorrow.  If not they might as well not show up.

If I was John Schneider or Brendon Little I would tell every one of Siddall, Joseph, Shipman and Pillar to pound sand next time they come looking for a quote.

Well I seriously hope that's not happening. And sadly most of those people aren't actual Blue Jays fans. They are degenerate gamblers or just scum that Toronto area has to offer that get absolutely pissed at the bar and got irrationally angry. 

I am definitely one of the more vocal people here when I don't decisions. And I have never thought about attacking a player or their family verbally or any other way. And I haven't seen anyone else here that has done that either. Twitter and social media is entirely different animal. We have some knuckleheads here. I know because I am one of them. But for the most part mostly intelligent Baseball conversation takes place here. The bickering about decisions is natural. That happens in the Blue Jays dugout and front office as well.

With that being said nothing Joe Siddall or Kevin Pillar or anyone else related to the Blue Jays broadcast said anything that would incite any kind of violence or threatening behavior. They have a job to do. They were hired to give their opinions and speak their mind in situations because that makes for a more entertaining broadcast. I normally am not the biggest Joe Siddall fan but I do appreciate that he speaks his mind and he does it in a professional way. If you think the way Joe Siddall conducted himself on the broadcast was bad. You should really tune into some Yankee segments where Michael Kay goes on some pretty absurd rants.

[hanton]

33 minutes ago, Jonn said:

I feel the Yankees lineup was more scary and the Mariners have more raw power. Good lineup no doubt. Ohtani is the only one that really makes you want to s*** your pants

Kike would like to have a word with you

[Omar]

41 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

If the Dodgers are buying championships, what about the Jays?

They were targeting Ohtani, Soto, Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Sasaki as free agents over the last two years. As well, Jays have Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Hoffman, Santander all on big contracts. They traded for Bieber. 

I'm sure if the Jays signed one of Ohtani or Soto, along with resigning Vladdy to his monster contract, you wouldn't be complaining. 

$509 Million

I'm not complaining just pointing out the facts of life.  

[Big_Walleye]

29 minutes ago, max silver said:

The decision to bring in Little to face the top of the Mariners lineup was inexcusable. Little has been struggling tremendously to retire right handed hitters, and both of Raleigh and Polanco are better hitters from the right side. This gave me flashbacks to the 2022 post season when Schneider brought in Tim Mayza with Carlos Santana a single hitter away in the lineup. Mayza had pronounced splits that season, and Santana was a more dangerous hitter from the right hand side. History just repeated itself, and with Schneider going completely off script instead of actually using his closer in a close game he opened himself up to every bit of criticism that comes his way. The reasoning that was given for inserting Little into the game was asinine, as he simply hasn't been very effective dating back several months now, and for the manager to insist that this is the best choice to bring into a 1 run game in the highest leverage spot of the entire season while his closer sits on the bullpen bench just doesn't pass mustard.

Here's what I think happened last night.

I'm 100% sure that they would have used Hoffman against the top of the lineup last night had he been available.   I don't recall seeing him doing anything but sitting on his chair, no stretching, nothing.  He must have been feeling something.

Schneider doesn't want to give the opposition any info so instead he takes the bullet in the chest.

Dominguez struggles against lefties so they thought Little against Raleigh and Polanco right handed was the best option.

[max silver]

1 minute ago, Big_Walleye said:

Here's what I think happened last night.

I'm 100% sure that they would have used Hoffman against the top of the lineup last night had he been available.   I don't recall seeing him doing anything but sitting on his chair, no stretching, nothing.  He must have been feeling something.

Schneider doesn't want to give the opposition any info so instead he takes the bullet in the chest.

Dominguez struggles against lefties so they thought Little against Raleigh and Polanco right handed was the best option.

Schneider said post game that he considered using Hoffman in this situation which would seem to indicate he was fully available. 

[Big_Walleye]

1 minute ago, max silver said:

Schneider said post game that he considered using Hoffman in this situation which would seem to indicate he was fully available. 

Again.  He's trying not to give anything away.

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Again.  He's trying not to give anything away.

I don't think we need to look beneath the surface for reasons to excuse this decision. Hoffman hasn't been given an actual leverage inning in a close game in this post season, and this speaks volumes about how little faith his manager has in him. I was right alongside everyone else feeling nervous at times when Hoffman was brought in to close games late, but I never felt that completely avoiding using him in close games was a palatable solution due to the lack of better options. This has turned into a careful what you wish for scenario as there was a lot of the sentiment that Hoffman simply couldn't be trusted in close games in the post season, and the rest of the bullpen has simply not gotten the job done in close games in this series. 

[Big_Walleye]

2 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't think we need to look beneath the surface for reasons to excuse this decision. Hoffman hasn't been given an actual leverage inning in a close game in this post season, and this speaks volumes about how little faith his manager has in him. I was right alongside everyone else feeling nervous at times when Hoffman was brought in to close games late, but I never felt that completely avoiding using him in close games was a palatable solution due to the lack of better options. This has turned into a careful what you wish for scenario as there was a lot of the sentiment that Hoffman simply couldn't be trusted in close games in the post season, and the rest of the bullpen has simply not gotten the job done in close games in this series. 

Have there been any opportunities to close a tight game late?  Not that I recall.

[hanton]

The Little - Raleigh match-up was discussed - BEFORE - the series even started.  These mathcups are all mapped out

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, hanton said:

The Little - Raleigh match-up was discussed - BEFORE - the series even started.  These mathcups are all mapped out

Especially, pregame.

[43211234]

2 hours ago, neverbeenhere said:

 

This got me rolling...

Vladdy speaking perfect englisgh though 

Keep this ai trash out of here please

[SeranthonySantander]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

I feel the Yankees lineup was more scary and the Mariners have more raw power. Good lineup no doubt. Ohtani is the only one that really makes you want to s*** your pants

Ohtani went up until 0-20 recently.  He has one really good game every few weeks.

[neverbeenhere]

14 hours ago, jaysblue said:

If the Dodgers are buying championships, what about the Jays?

They were targeting Ohtani, Soto, Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Sasaki as free agents over the last two years. As well, Jays have Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Hoffman, Santander all on big contracts. They traded for Bieber. 

I'm sure if the Jays signed one of Ohtani or Soto, along with resigning Vladdy to his monster contract, you wouldn't be complaining. 

Exactly, the other day, a famous sports commentator said that, if I paraphrase, don't think that blue jays are a blue collar team like your Brewers, they are the 4th richest team in MLB behind, Mets, Dodgers and Yankees. 

In addition, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said the viewership for the ALDS between yankees and Blue jays was between 7-8 million per game, and he was very happy about that. 

I was proud to hear these actually. Isn't it great to hear that Blue jays are a big budget team in a big market in an affluent city of Toronto?

[SeranthonySantander]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

If the Dodgers are buying championships, what about the Jays?

They were targeting Ohtani, Soto, Burnes, Fried, Bregman, Sasaki as free agents over the last two years. As well, Jays have Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Hoffman, Santander all on big contracts. They traded for Bieber. 

I'm sure if the Jays signed one of Ohtani or Soto, along with resigning Vladdy to his monster contract, you wouldn't be complaining. 

The amount the Jay's spend is the perfect and fair amount, perfectly within the competitive spirit.  Being in Canada is different as well since we have to overpay.

Dodgers should be banned from the league

I also don't like what the Mariners are doing, they should be looked into

[Stangstag]

4 hours ago, Omar said:

Nothing to be embarrassed about when the other team just buys championships.

The defending World Series champion Dodgers are poised this year to spend a record $509.5 million in payroll and projected luxury tax. The Brewers play in the smallest market in the big leagues, and their entire payroll of $124.8 million doesn't even approach Los Angeles' projected luxury tax bill of nearly $168 million.

Too bad that doesn’t seem to be working for the Mets.

I still think the Ohtani deferrals s*** is BS and goes against the integrity of competitive balance and shouldn’t be allowed.

[Stangstag]

2 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

Have there been any opportunities to close a tight game late?  Not that I recall.

The final Yankees game kinda? And Hoffman gave up ALOT of hard contact and could’ve potentially blown that game. Maybe soured the internal opinion on him.

[Laika]

Thought about it more and I'm not even mad at JS. I would even say he is being unfairly slammed by everyone.

Seranthony is just bad against LHB. Career trend. Hoffman was a disaster most of the year. Varland has been a HR machine and was already used in the game, effectively.

Little has the best Stuff+ of all the full season Jays RP. Best FIP and WAR of all Jays full season RP. 

Yes he walks tons of hitters but at the rates he does you'd really just expect two outs around one walk, before you can go to Hoffman.

You can quote his two month ERA or walk rate but that's stupid and those numbers are noisy. 

The rationale behind using him was sound enough for me.

And arguably the best alternative was Fisher, anyway. Not Hoffman or Seranthony. I know the sample is too small but check out Fisher's splits. 

[Laika]

That will be the heady play if this comes up again. Late and close with that Lefty Lane due up. Use Fisher. He might be weirdly platoon resistant?

Not really a better option right now... 

As much as I think the Little decision was fine, if you ask him to do it again you enter into a whole sports psychology thing 

[SeranthonySantander]

13 minutes ago, Laika said:

That will be the heady play if this comes up again. Late and close with that Lefty Lane due up. Use Fisher. He might be weirdly platoon resistant?

Not really a better option right now... 

As much as I think the Little decision was fine, if you ask him to do it again you enter into a whole sports psychology thing 

 

His ERA 2 months ago. August 17 was 3.02.  A month ago is was 3.11.  It ended the season at 3.03.  His first 4 postseason appearances up until last night, it was 3.00.  Not sure where the 6.11 era numbers came from.  A couple bad outings over a week or so in late July and early August where he had 7 ER over .1 innings pulled his results down a bit.

[Rynodb1]

4 hours ago, Jonn said:

I feel the Yankees lineup was more scary and the Mariners have more raw power. Good lineup no doubt. Ohtani is the only one that really makes you want to s*** your pants

Don't ever disrespect Teoscar Hernandez like that again. 

[Stangstag]

31 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

 

His ERA 2 months ago. August 17 was 3.02.  A month ago is was 3.11.  It ended the season at 3.03.  His first 4 postseason appearances up until last night, it was 3.00.  Not sure where the 6.11 era numbers came from.  A couple bad outings over a week or so in late July and early August where he had 7 ER over .1 innings pulled his results down a bit.

It was some insane cherrypicking to get that 6 ERA number, basically using August 28th as the start point because that was a bad outing for him.

[GoBlue41]

The Little saga is over. Everyone is just beating the dead horse at this point. There is a big game tomorrow night! Let's all enjoy the lead up to that and the celebration that follows! Go Jays!!! 

[Jonn]

25 minutes ago, Rynodb1 said:

Don't ever disrespect Teoscar Hernandez like that again. 

I can and I will.

[SeranthonySantander]

4 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

It was some insane cherrypicking to get that 6 ERA number, basically using August 28th as the start point because that was a bad outing for him.

Alright I was confused because of a Toronto star article saying before last nights game.

Ignoring 9 straight scoreless outings before the Aug 29 game.  And it would have to include the 3 ER last night to get that number.

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

Now there's some BS circulating about Little (or his family) receiving threats on social media.  FFS people!!!  It was bad enough when Yankees fans did that to Yesavage.  Now Jays "fans" are doing it to their own team.

I've always felt that it's wrong to throw teammates, colleagues or friends under the bus.  There's plenty of reasons why that's not a good idea but at the top of the list is inciting people to do stupid things like this.

Nobody feels worse than Brendon Little or John Schneider after what happened last night.  Their teammates know that and the last thing they'll do is throw them under a greyhound.  Good teammates pick each other up when they're down and every player on that team wants to do that tomorrow.  If not they might as well not show up.

If I was John Schneider or Brendon Little I would tell every one of Siddall, Joseph, Shipman and Pillar to pound sand next time they come looking for a quote.

It happens all the time now, usually from idiots who lost bets

[John_Havok]

3 hours ago, max silver said:

I don't think we need to look beneath the surface for reasons to excuse this decision. Hoffman hasn't been given an actual leverage inning in a close game in this post season, and this speaks volumes about how little faith his manager has in him. I was right alongside everyone else feeling nervous at times when Hoffman was brought in to close games late, but I never felt that completely avoiding using him in close games was a palatable solution due to the lack of better options. This has turned into a careful what you wish for scenario as there was a lot of the sentiment that Hoffman simply couldn't be trusted in close games in the post season, and the rest of the bullpen has simply not gotten the job done in close games in this series. 

There havent been any late and close games for the Jays this post season really though...Pretty much every game has been a blowout one way or the other. 

You wouldnt pitch him when youre down 2 or 3... he got the save in the Yankees series in the 5-2 game. 

Are people advocating/suggesting he should have started the 8th inning a 2-2 game?