Rays (Boyle) vs Blue Jays (Yesavage): 9/27/25, 3:07pm

[Pinkfloid]

1 minute ago, Rance said:

Flabby ground out 0 - 4.

How did he do with the  ice bucket?

Negative launch angle, right into the ground

[Rimar]

2 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

27 years to the day after Doc made his home debut. 

Best rookie SP since Manoah 😜 If Tidermann can fully recover from TJ surgery , with Yesevage, Tidermann and Moon, future can be bright 

[neverbeenhere]

i hope TB will send out their bench players to let them have some fun in the last and meaningless game of the season 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

 I know you're trying to get away with this great burn but you're basically mocking me for saying the best offense in baseball is the best offense in baseball. 

Oh yeah that's right I forgot you think the Blue Jays have the best offense in baseball because of defensive WAR 😂 

 

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Yesavage has made Lowe his bitch Jonn, can't hit him yet in 2 starts so far.

You know that weighted runs created plus has nothing to do with defense, right?

 

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

I know that. Thanks. And who's number one by the way?

So why say that? You know at the time I said the Jays were first prior to that 4 game stretch right, remember? Quit reaching MB, the Jays are just as good as the Yankees... the difference is minuscule. fWAR is on point as well.

[Masterbather]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

 

So why say that? You know at the time I said the Jays were first prior to that 4 game stretch right, remember? Quit reaching MB, the Jays are just as good as the Yankees... the difference is minuscule. fWAR is on point as well.

What about pitching? 

By any objective measure they have been the better team. 

They score way more runs and they allow fewer runs.

They have a run differential of almost 100 runs better man, come on. At some point you just can't keep ignoring that.

You can still root for the Blue Jays while admitting that the Yankees have a more talented team. They did make the World Series last year, there's no shame in that.

[ComeTogether]

21 minutes ago, Rimar said:

Honestly I was worried at first,  because it's a lot of pressure for him, and we didn't had the luxury to lose that game. But he showed he's ready for pressure and he did his job.

 

 

[infinitebook]

11 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

What about pitching? 

By any objective measure they have been the better team. 

They score way more runs and they allow fewer runs.

They have a run differential of almost 100 runs better man, come on. At some point you just can't keep ignoring that.

You can still root for the Blue Jays while admitting that the Yankees have a more talented team. They did make the World Series last year, there's no shame in that.

You guys gotta stop focusing so much on run differential, Michael Kay has finally gotten to you. Literally a month into the year the Yankees had a differential over 100 runs than the Jays. I just pulled it up, and May 19th they were +118 to the Jays.

Yankees beat up some bad teams for a couple weeks and you completely forget their bullpen blow ups and awful defense, both of which will come back to bite them in the playoffs. 

[G-Snarls]

51 minutes ago, Rimar said:

Best rookie SP since Manoah 😜 If Tidermann can fully recover from TJ surgery , with Yesevage, Tidermann and Moon, future can be bright 

Would sure be nice to break our stretch of busted SP prospects with Yesavage AND Tiedemann 

[Masterbather]

35 minutes ago, infinitebook said:

You guys gotta stop focusing so much on run differential, Michael Kay has finally gotten to you. Literally a month into the year the Yankees had a differential over 100 runs than the Jays. I just pulled it up, and May 19th they were +118 to the Jays.

Yankees beat up some bad teams for a couple weeks and you completely forget their bullpen blow ups and awful defense, both of which will come back to bite them in the playoffs. 

I'm not just focusing on run differential (and f*** Michael Kay). But there's a reason it is what it is.

The other issue with season long statistics is they don't necessarily tell the story of where a team is now. The Yankees did a good job of fixing some of their holes at the deadline. They have a closer they trust, they improved their left side defense and roster flexibility and got one of the better base stealers in the league in the event that they need to steal a run late. 

They still have the Judge/Stanton defensive issue to deal with, but then again we have Springer, Santander and Bo situation potentially to deal with defensively. 

We got a starter that we needed, we got a couple of decent bullpen arms, but we still don't have a closer that we trust nor did we get more power, which we don't have enough of, mostly because of Vlady's disappointing power. And our starting rotation situation is super thin. Theirs isn't.

They aren't perfect, but neither are we. But I still think they're better, and they've been there before.

Doesn't mean we can't win a series against them, doesn't mean anyone can't win a series against them. But that's just the way playoff baseball is.

[Omar]

29 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

 

They aren't perfect, but neither are we. But I still think they're better, and they've been there before.

Doesn't mean we can't win a series against them, doesn't mean anyone can't win a series against them. But that's just the way playoff baseball is.

That's a huge hedge on your earlier comment about their ability to score runs at will.  

[Masterbather]

4 minutes ago, Omar said:

That's a huge hedge on your earlier comment about their ability to score runs at will.  

How's that a hedge? 

Okay if you need me to spell it out, I didn't literally mean they can magically wave a wand and score runs, I was being facetious, but nobody scores runs easier than they do. Okay?

I promise to only be literal from now on.🙄

[Omar]

11 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

How's that a hedge? 

Okay if you need me to spell it out, I didn't literally mean they can magically wave a wand and score runs, I was being facetious, but nobody scores runs easier than they do. Okay?

I promise to only be literal from now on.🙄

Not to be overly pedantic here but if someone were to collate your comments about the NYY your position was/is that they were basically unbeatable.  The hedge is in the caveats at the conclusion of your post.  I think that they are sort of one dimensional and if they don't capitalize on the long ball, they become susceptible to defeat.

That said, do you think they will advance to World Series when all is said an done?

[Masterbather]

9 minutes ago, Omar said:

Not to be overly pedantic here but if someone were to collate your comments about the NYY your position was/is that they were basically unbeatable.  The hedge is in the caveats at the conclusion.  I think that they are sort of one dimensional and if they don't capitalize on the long ball, they become susceptible to defeat.

That said, do you think they will advance to World Series when all is said an done?

No I never said they were unbeatable, nobody is unbeatable. Well, Kevin Durant's Golden State Warriors were truly unbeatable when healthy. That's about the only team I would give that title to that I've seen in my lifetime. 

If I'm a betting man, and I'm not, Yankees would be my pick, but it's tough only because I think Seattle will have an easier path assuming the Red Sox stay on our side of the bracket. 

Edit: I will say a truly healthy and firing on all cylinders Dodgers team comes pretty close to unbeatable. But they haven't been healthy most of the year and firing on all cylinders.

[mphenhef]

59 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

I'm not just focusing on run differential (and f*** Michael Kay). But there's a reason it is what it is.

The other issue with season long statistics is they don't necessarily tell the story of where a team is now. The Yankees did a good job of fixing some of their holes at the deadline. They have a closer they trust, they improved their left side defense and roster flexibility and got one of the better base stealers in the league in the event that they need to steal a run late. 

They still have the Judge/Stanton defensive issue to deal with, but then again we have Springer, Santander and Bo situation potentially to deal with defensively. 

We got a starter that we needed, we got a couple of decent bullpen arms, but we still don't have a closer that we trust nor did we get more power, which we don't have enough of, mostly because of Vlady's disappointing power. And our starting rotation situation is super thin. Theirs isn't.

They aren't perfect, but neither are we. But I still think they're better, and they've been there before.

Doesn't mean we can't win a series against them, doesn't mean anyone can't win a series against them. But that's just the way playoff baseball is.

Do you know what run differential doesn’t do a great job accounting for?  20-1 thrashings where the backup catcher gives up ten runs that skew it.  Or  The 4th and 5th starters who may not pitch an inning come playoffs and many other things.

[Omar]

9 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

No I never said they were unbeatable, nobody is unbeatable. Well, Kevin Durant's Golden State Warriors were truly unbeatable when healthy. That's about the only team I would give that title to that I've seen in my lifetime. 

If I'm a betting man, and I'm not, Yankees would be my pick, but it's tough only because I think Seattle will have an easier path assuming the Red Sox stay on our side of the bracket. 

Edit: I will say a truly healthy and firing on all cylinders Dodgers team comes pretty close to unbeatable. But they haven't been healthy most of the year and firing on all cylinders.

Fair enough.  I get that.

[Masterbather]

Just now, mphenhef said:

Do you know what run differential doesn’t do a great job accounting for?  20-1 thrashings where the backup catcher gives up ten runs that skew it.  Or  The 4th and 5th starters who may not pitch an inning come playoffs and many other things.

Okay, fine. What would our run differential look like without that historic Series against Colorado? 

Besides you're missing all the rest of my points.

[Rynodb1]

Didn't the Yankees lose the season series to the Blue Jays? What even matters besides that?

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

What about pitching? 

By any objective measure they have been the better team. 

They score way more runs and they allow fewer runs.

They have a run differential of almost 100 runs better man, come on. At some point you just can't keep ignoring that.

You can still root for the Blue Jays while admitting that the Yankees have a more talented team. They did make the World Series last year, there's no shame in that.

The Jays pitching sucks at the back end, when have I said different?

[Stangstag]

I am not ready for tomorrow. My heart cannot handle being crushed again. Boys need to come through 

[SeranthonySantander]

Wasn't yanks bullpen like worse in majors last month or two.  I think their struggles overtook ours as our guys kind of righted the ship.

[Rynodb1]

4 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I am not ready for tomorrow. My heart cannot handle being crushed again. Boys need to come through 

With Gaus on the mound, I'm hoping he shuts the Rays down and pitches 7-8 solid innings. Hopefully the offense gets a few runs early like they did today. 

[max silver]

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

I'm not just focusing on run differential (and f*** Michael Kay). But there's a reason it is what it is.

The other issue with season long statistics is they don't necessarily tell the story of where a team is now. The Yankees did a good job of fixing some of their holes at the deadline. They have a closer they trust, they improved their left side defense and roster flexibility and got one of the better base stealers in the league in the event that they need to steal a run late. 

They still have the Judge/Stanton defensive issue to deal with, but then again we have Springer, Santander and Bo situation potentially to deal with defensively. 

We got a starter that we needed, we got a couple of decent bullpen arms, but we still don't have a closer that we trust nor did we get more power, which we don't have enough of, mostly because of Vlady's disappointing power. And our starting rotation situation is super thin. Theirs isn't.

They aren't perfect, but neither are we. But I still think they're better, and they've been there before.

Doesn't mean we can't win a series against them, doesn't mean anyone can't win a series against them. But that's just the way playoff baseball is.

I can maybe agree that the Yankees are a better team than the Blue Jays right now, but that's largely due to the Jays missing Bo at the moment and the Yankees lineup being healthier. The Yankees have been playing well recently but you shouldn't ignore the powder puff schedule they've enjoyed to end the season. I think that the Blue Jays line up very well with the Yankees in a post season series and have the pitching to match the Yankees, but this is contingent on Bassitt making it back in time. Hoffman is a concern to be certain but the Jays pen has been nails in recent weeks and are hitting their stride at the perfect time. The Blue Jays enjoyed a 4+ month stretch of the season where they were baseball's second best team behind the Brewers and own the season series against the Yankees as well. On top of this the Blue Jays have outscored the Yankees since the calendar turned to May since the inexplicably bad month of April, although we've seen a similarly futile stretch of games in recent weeks as well. I fully believe if not for the poorly timed Bichette injury this division would have been wrapped up a week or more ago. 

[Big_Walleye]

4 hours ago, infinitebook said:

You guys gotta stop focusing so much on run differential, Michael Kay has finally gotten to you. Literally a month into the year the Yankees had a differential over 100 runs than the Jays. I just pulled it up, and May 19th they were +118 to the Jays.

Yankees beat up some bad teams for a couple weeks and you completely forget their bullpen blow ups and awful defense, both of which will come back to bite them in the playoffs. 

 

4 hours ago, Masterbather said:

I'm not just focusing on run differential (and f*** Michael Kay). But there's a reason it is what it is.

The other issue with season long statistics is they don't necessarily tell the story of where a team is now. The Yankees did a good job of fixing some of their holes at the deadline. They have a closer they trust, they improved their left side defense and roster flexibility and got one of the better base stealers in the league in the event that they need to steal a run late. 

They still have the Judge/Stanton defensive issue to deal with, but then again we have Springer, Santander and Bo situation potentially to deal with defensively. 

We got a starter that we needed, we got a couple of decent bullpen arms, but we still don't have a closer that we trust nor did we get more power, which we don't have enough of, mostly because of Vlady's disappointing power. And our starting rotation situation is super thin. Theirs isn't.

They aren't perfect, but neither are we. But I still think they're better, and they've been there before.

Doesn't mean we can't win a series against them, doesn't mean anyone can't win a series against them. But that's just the way playoff baseball is.

Run differential doesn't tell the whole story.  In some cases it doesn't tell the story at all.  Cleveland is leading the Central division with a -7 rdiff.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah the Jays are essentially playing without Bo AND Vladdy 

[Masterbather]

6 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

The Jays pitching sucks at the back end, when have I said different?

I'm not saying you said different, but if you're comparing teams you don't just compare the hitters you have to look at the pitching too. 

Besides, like I said, I think they did a better job of filling their gaps at the deadline then most teams did including us. I think they're overall more complete team and a more talented team even if they aren't a perfect team or an all-time team, which they aren't.

[Masterbather]

6 hours ago, max silver said:

I can maybe agree that the Yankees are a better team than the Blue Jays right now, but that's largely due to the Jays missing Bo at the moment and the Yankees lineup being healthier. The Yankees have been playing well recently but you shouldn't ignore the powder puff schedule they've enjoyed to end the season. I think that the Blue Jays line up very well with the Yankees in a post season series and have the pitching to match the Yankees, but this is contingent on Bassitt making it back in time. Hoffman is a concern to be certain but the Jays pen has been nails in recent weeks and are hitting their stride at the perfect time. The Blue Jays enjoyed a 4+ month stretch of the season where they were baseball's second best team behind the Brewers and own the season series against the Yankees as well. On top of this the Blue Jays have outscored the Yankees since the calendar turned to May since the inexplicably bad month of April, although we've seen a similarly futile stretch of games in recent weeks as well. I fully believe if not for the poorly timed Bichette injury this division would have been wrapped up a week or more ago. 

That's fine, if you think the Jays are the better team you're welcome to that opinion. I just don't understand people flipping out over the notion that the Yankees, the team that made the World Series last year, might be better. I've stated my reasons why, you and others have yours, no problem. 

I do think the Yankees quick strike power plays better in the postseason for sure compared to the way we score runs. 

[Masterbather]

5 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

 

Run differential doesn't tell the whole story.  In some cases it doesn't tell the story at all.  Cleveland is leading the Central division with a -7 rdiff.

Cleveland is the classic example of how the better team doesn't always necessarily win. Sometimes a team gets white hot and another team gets ice cold and that's all it takes. Cleveland is a great story, it's a lot of fun, but I didn't hear suggesting they were a playoff caliber team a few weeks ago. I certainly didn't hear anyone suggesting they were better than Detroit (although I've said before I'm not totally enamored with that Detroit team and I never felt they were one of the best two or three teams in the AL).

[SeranthonySantander]

Masterbather, sorry you are wrong.  It's not even an objective discussion, but is fact.

[416BlueJs]

17 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Yeah I think bullpen would be our game one starter. 

I was surprised that Dan thought that was such an unusual thing to do. 

Is it really so crazy in the year 2025 to have bullpen games in the postseason?

If we play in the wild card, game 1 needs to be 

In ALDS all pitchers will be good so I would so Gausman, Bieber, Yesavage. Buck was adamant on it being Gausman, Bieber, Scherzer and move Yesavage to the bullpen. Thats crazy I think.

[harvey16]

2 hours ago, 416BlueJs said:

If we play in the wild card, game 1 needs to be 

In ALDS all pitchers will be good so I would so Gausman, Bieber, Yesavage. Buck was adamant on it being Gausman, Bieber, Scherzer and move Yesavage to the bullpen. Thats crazy I think.

At this point there is no way you can't have Yesavage as your #3 starter. #4 I would go with a bullpen game that might include Scherzer. Yesavage just proved he can pitch under pressure with the excellent start he has for us yesterday.