Blue Jays (Bassitt) vs Reds (Greene): 9/1/25, 1:10pm

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

You're twisted and unfit. It's unfortunate.

I can't hear you while you're gargling black hairy balls. 

[Spanky__99]

1 minute ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

I can't hear you while you're gargling black hairy balls. 

👀 lol... unhinged bro, good luck

 

[Brownie19]

14 hours ago, Jays24 said:

It doesnt, I just want the Jays to play well so im lashing out.  My bad lol

We know - it's what you always do.  Here's an idea, maybe try something different next time?  Like maybe not lashing out like you're both the greatest GM and Manager in MLB history.  Something to consider.

[Brownie19]

9 hours ago, Stangstag said:

If they don't do anything in the playoffs this year i think its fair to say we should bring in new people. 

You've said this for the past 3 years man.  

We're 2nd in the AL and 4th in all of MLB and thus it seems evident that some of you won't be happy with any FO or Manager. 

[Spanky__99]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

We know - it's what you always do.  Here's an idea, maybe try something different next time?  Like maybe not lashing out like you're both the greatest GM and Manager in MLB history.  Something to consider.

Hey Brownie, Jays half a game back of Detroit for the AL Pennant, and 3 plus games up on competition, the 1st of September, imagine?

 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

Hey Brownie, Jays half a game back of Detroit for the AL Pennant, and 3 plus games up on competition, the 1st of September, imagine?

 

Spanky - I think we're witnessing a miracle.  We have the sh*ttiest FO and Manager in baseball. We have Donnie Baseball trying to sabotage the team from the bench and we have the crappiest farm system that hasn't produced a ML player in 25 years.

We'd probably be on pace to break the ML single season win record if Andrew Friedman and Tito were in charge.  MLB would probably just skip the playoffs and hand us the title to save other teams the embarrassment.

I appreciate that people are getting up tight during some recent struggles - it makes them feel better to lay blame to someone and they feel smart if they are the ones to identify who should be blamed. They fail to appreciate that there's a possibility they themselves are actually wrong, or that there might be other information they aren't privy to that might justify decisions.  I think it's really sad they can't just enjoy the season and the great team we have.

Will we win the AL East?  Will we win a playoff series, or 2, or the whole damn thing?  I have no idea - but I'm going to enjoy watching it unfold.  

[Stangstag]

29 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You've said this for the past 3 years man.  

We're 2nd in the AL and 4th in all of MLB and thus it seems evident that some of you won't be happy with any FO or Manager. 

I don't think i said that previously man, i said I wanted Schneider gone. Last year was a blip and i was onboard with giving it one last run with the Bo/Vlad core this year.

My issue is with this front office always doing just enough to be good and not great. If we waste another good team this year because they refused to move prospects at the deadline, im over these guys. 

[max silver]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I don't think i said that previously man, i said I wanted Schneider gone. Last year was a blip and i was onboard with giving it one last run with the Bo/Vlad core this year.

My issue is with this front office always doing just enough to be good and not great. If we waste another good team this year because they refused to move prospects at the deadline, im over these guys. 

I don't think you can say the Blue Jays front office refused to move prospects at the deadline when they were actually one of the more aggressive teams out there. I think they made the wise choice in not sending out any top 3 prospects in an improving system for relief help but that's being said without knowing that so many of the previously solid relievers in the bullpen would struggle so tremendously all at the same time. I'm guessing they would like a do over on the Fisher demotion as that removed a very important arm from the pen.

[Stangstag]

54 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't think you can say the Blue Jays front office refused to move prospects at the deadline when they were actually one of the more aggressive teams out there. I think they made the wise choice in not sending out any top 3 prospects in an improving system for relief help but that's being said without knowing that so many of the previously solid relievers in the bullpen would struggle so tremendously all at the same time. I'm guessing they would like a do over on the Fisher demotion as that removed a very important arm from the pen.

Difference of opinion but im not willing to let them off easy like that. Bottom line they needed to do more at the deadline and they didn't. 

[max silver]

Just now, Stangstag said:

Difference of opinion but im not willing to let them off easy like that. Bottom line they needed to do more at the deadline and they didn't. 

We shall see how this all unfolds. I think the 6 man rotation and subsequent collective overuse of the pen was a strong contributing factor to the bullpen implosion. I don't think the results of this were fully apparent until well after the deadline had passed. I'm sure the front office might want to go back in time and acquire another quality pen option and maybe even a backup closer. That being said it's hard to criticize them completely without knowing what other teams were asking of them for the relievers that ended up elsewhere. Let's say the Pirates were insisting on a young stud arm like King or Stanifer, that would be an awfully high price to pay.

We can only hope that with the addition of a high quality reinforcement in Fisher and quality long man in Lauer that the pen can improve it's fortunes over time. I think there is enough talent in the bullpen to support the team going on a run in the post season, but these guys all need to get back to throwing the ball the way they are able to. My biggest individual concern in the pen right now is the struggles of Little lately. He's either missing the zone completely and walking the world or actually hitting the strike zone and melting down with bad defense leading to a bunch of extra baserunners. 

[BB17]

Yeah the biggest weakness of the pen is the lack of a good LHP. Little has been really bad for a while now and Fluharty has very poor command as well and his results haven't been good either.

I mean the pen is a huge weakness overall right now but assuming some of the guys do get on track there still lacks quality from the Left side. 

 

[glory]

45 minutes ago, max silver said:

We shall see how this all unfolds. I think the 6 man rotation and subsequent collective overuse of the pen was a strong contributing factor to the bullpen implosion. I don't think the results of this were fully apparent until well after the deadline had passed. I'm sure the front office might want to go back in time and acquire another quality pen option and maybe even a backup closer. That being said it's hard to criticize them completely without knowing what other teams were asking of them for the relievers that ended up elsewhere. Let's say the Pirates were insisting on a young stud arm like King or Stanifer, that would be an awfully high price to pay.

We can only hope that with the addition of a high quality reinforcement in Fisher and quality long man in Lauer that the pen can improve it's fortunes over time. I think there is enough talent in the bullpen to support the team going on a run in the post season, but these guys all need to get back to throwing the ball the way they are able to. My biggest individual concern in the pen right now is the struggles of Little lately. He's either missing the zone completely and walking the world or actually hitting the strike zone and melting down with bad defense leading to a bunch of extra baserunners. 

It's interesting because other than Hoffman and Dominguez, the rest of the pen (that are healthy) has no track record. Varland has been good this season (recent stretch aside) but that's it. Fisher is a rookie. Nance is in his mid-30's and didn't do much prior to this season. Yariel was a starter last season. Little had a -0.5 WAR for his career coming into this season. Fluharty and Schultz are rookies. And so on. You can make the argument that Schneider's blind faith in Hoffman is actually justified because at least there's a track record of elite performance there, even if it was only a couple of seasons. The rest is really hit or miss. Bullpens are volatile to begin with but relievers with no real track record just adds to it. 

As much grief as Schneider gets, he's been put in a tough situation here with the pen. Some of it is his own doing with the bullpen usage (or over usage), which may have contributed a bit to the meltdowns recently, but beyond that, there's a bunch of unproven arms that he has to trust because he has no choice. Garcia's injury is really underrated as far as significance, that was a huge blow. 

[max silver]

43 minutes ago, BB17 said:

Yeah the biggest weakness of the pen is the lack of a good LHP. Little has been really bad for a while now and Fluharty has very poor command as well and his results haven't been good either.

I mean the pen is a huge weakness overall right now but assuming some of the guys do get on track there still lacks quality from the Left side. 

 

I've seen calls in other online Blue Jays discussions to move Lauer into more of a lefty leverage kind of role. I don't think his stuff likely plays in high leverage situations but I do think shorter mid relief outings in medium leverage could be in the cards. He's another dude who's numbers have been pretty damn bad 5.53 ERA/6.88 FIP over the last month so he also needs to get his game back in order. 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Difference of opinion but im not willing to let them off easy like that. Bottom line they needed to do more at the deadline and they didn't. 

Who'd you wan't?

 

[BB17]

9 minutes ago, max silver said:

I've seen calls in other online Blue Jays discussions to move Lauer into more of a lefty leverage kind of role. I don't think his stuff likely plays in high leverage situations but I do think shorter mid relief outings in medium leverage could be in the cards. He's another dude who's numbers have been pretty damn bad 5.53 ERA/6.88 FIP over the last month so he also needs to get his game back in order. 

Yeah he's also been prone to giving up the long ball so I don't think he works as a leverage arm. I see him as more of a once through the order type in lower to mid innings to get a platoon advantage/force the other manager to PH early in the game type. Kind of like the Kikuchi vs the Twins matchup from 23.