Blue Jays (Berrios) vs Orioles (Kremer): 7/30/25, 12:35pm

[Stangstag]

5 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

The Wire did that city no favors lol

Baltimore is easily the scariest city i’ve been to, just tweakers walking in the middle of the streets as you approach the city. 2nd worst was Brussells, dudes just shooting up on the sidewalks.

[Stangstag]

But i will say Camden Yards is a beaut

[Spanky__99]

23 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Bo was 10/18 (0.556) in the last 4 games

Redonkulous statement, just ignorance flapping their gums, lol.

[o2cui2i]

1 minute ago, Stangstag said:

But i will say Camden Yards is a beaut

There are two Baltimores, the Harbor rich section and the no go zone. 

[Spanky__99]

24 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

most of the posters on this board > Chad. 

 

i'd trust Spanky on a Friday night after a dozen tall-boys in the 9th over Mr Green. 

Same.

[Omar]

3 minutes ago, o2cui2i said:

There are two Baltimores, the Harbor rich section and the no go zone. 

Hamsterdam

[Doubleplay21]

Getting Gimenez and Varsho back will be like trade deadline deals.

[Jays24]

5 minutes ago, o2cui2i said:

There are two Baltimores, the Harbor rich section and the no go zone. 

Sounds like Detroit with Auburn Hills and the rest

[BB17]

28 minutes ago, o2cui2i said:

There are two Baltimores, the Harbor rich section and the no go zone. 

Lots of US cities are like that. At least the rich areas are gated communities unlike here in Canada where thugs and criminals steal 40 cars a night from driveways.

[Grant77]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

I meant no way to quantify a relationship. Its easy to quantify is a player feels good... you just ask them. And the answer is gonna be "i feel great" 99% of the time because athlete bro culture says you always say you're good to go unless you're physically unable to walk under your own power.

It's easy to quantify results... you just look at the box scores. When players fail, the vast majority of the time they'll always blame themselves, because that's what they do. When they succeed, they generally give credit to others... pitching coach prepared my well, catcher called a great game, i just had to execute... blah blah blah.... point is, even when they truly do feel locked in, theyre gonna suck just as often as they shove, and theyll still shove on days when they dont feel their best because variance is a thing. 

What happens when both a hitter and a pitcher are both "locked in" ? One of them has to fail. So... i guess only one of them was really locked in and the other just wasn't? Why cant they just summon this mysterious locked in feeling all the time? And if your hypothesis is correct, someone who is locked in should almost always be able to pull off what they want, regardless of the opposition's intent. Your hypothesis only looks at one side of the equation, not other variables in play, of which there are virtually countless, especially in baseball. 

Hence, unquantifiable. So we, the fans, apply whatever beliefs we have to the situation to make something that can never make sense, make sense.

 

Interesting conversation. Why can't we be focused all of the time? I wish I knew the answer to that one. They hire sports psychologists for a reason. That's a clear sign that teams thinks there is more to performance than physical skill and variance.

It's one of those things that seems heavily based on life experience. I haven't played high level sports, but I'll relate it to my more high pressure musical performances. When I am prepared and focused, I perform better than when I am distracted and unprepared. Your experience seems to be that life is more a random series of events that are unaffected by preparation and focus, which I can accept.

I prefer to apply Occam's razor in this instance, rather than get too philosophical. Bassitt didn't perform well and he said that he was unprepared. It may not be the reason, but that's the simplest and easiest explanation here. Chris Bassitt is perhaps my favourite player because he's candid and authentic. Call me naive, but I believe what he says in his interviews. I definitely understand what you mean about the bro culture, especially in hockey.

[John_Havok]

6 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

Interesting conversation. Why can't we be focused all of the time? I wish I knew the answer to that one.

It's one of those things that seems heavily based on life experience. I haven't played high level sports, but I'll relate it to my more high pressure musical performances. When I am prepared and focused, I perform better than when I am distracted and unprepared. Your experience seems to be that life is more a random series of events that are unaffected by preparation and focus, which I can accept.

I prefer to apply Occam's razor in this instance, rather than get too philosophical. Bassitt didn't perform well and he said that he was unprepared. It may not be the reason, but that's the simplest and easiest explanation here. Chris Bassitt is perhaps my favourite player because he's candid and authentic. Call me naive, but I believe what he says in his interviews. I definitely understand what you mean about the bro culture, especially in hockey.

The difference in your music is... you aren't playing music against someone else, your performance is 100% under your own influence, nobody is actively trying to compete against you. Pretty big difference. 

[o2cui2i]

2 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

Interesting conversation. 

It's one of those things that seems heavily based on life experience. I haven't played high level sports, but I'll relate it to my more high pressure musical performances. When I am prepared and focused, I perform better than when I am distracted and unprepared. Your experience seems to be that life is more a random series of events that are unaffected by preparation and focus, which I can accept.

I prefer to apply Occam's razor in this instance, rather than get too philosophical. Bassitt didn't perform well and he said that he was unprepared. It may not be the reason, but that's the simplest and easiest explanation here. Chris Bassitt is perhaps my favourite player because he's candid and authentic. Call me naive, but I believe what he says in his interviews.

I think everyone has off days. I think the combination of schedule, hot run, luck, and the deadline all played a part in this last few games. 

I hope the day off gets them reset and with the deadline behind them when they start next series, I hope they can bounce back. 

I doubt Bassett didn't prepare. I'm pretty sure he has a system of prep that he uses every game. My humble guess was that he means his mind wasn't in the right place. It happens. Wasn't it the first time this year someone not named Kirk caught him? Perhaps he was trying to make sure people didn't blame Heineman? Instead of throwing him under the bus. 

[Grant77]

1 minute ago, John_Havok said:

The difference in your music is... you aren't playing music against someone else, your performance is 100% under your own influence, nobody is actively trying to compete against you. Pretty big difference. 

That's true, but it's clear if you watched Bassitt's start, that he wasn't locating his pitches where he wanted them. He wasn't exactly painting the corners and having them get lucky hits.

You'll never convince me that preparation and focus play no role in a MLB player's success. I understand that there's no way to quantify it, but when I see a player who is unprepared or distracted not perform well, I'm always going to correlate those two things. I'm ok if you think that's stupid, we can agree to disagree. I'm not a philosopher, so I stick with the facts and apply Occam's razor.

[Grant77]

2 minutes ago, o2cui2i said:

I think everyone has off days. I think the combination of schedule, hot run, luck, and the deadline all played a part in this last few games. 

I hope the day off gets them reset and with the deadline behind them when they start next series, I hope they can bounce back. 

I doubt Bassett didn't prepare. I'm pretty sure he has a system of prep that he uses every game. My humble guess was that he means his mind wasn't in the right place. It happens. Wasn't it the first time this year someone not named Kirk caught him? Perhaps he was trying to make sure people didn't blame Heineman? Instead of throwing him under the bus. 

Well said, I agree. I think his mind not being in the right place is just another way of quantifying the same thing.

Baseball is a grind and we all have off days. We can just hope that the highly paid vets like Bassitt are prepared to deal with that grind going forward.

[BB17]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Baltimore is easily the scariest city i’ve been to, just tweakers walking in the middle of the streets as you approach the city. 2nd worst was Brussells, dudes just shooting up on the sidewalks.

Was in Vancouver/Victoria a couple weeks ago.

Parts of those cities were just as bad as anything I've ever seen. Looked like Zombies walking around with needles sticking out of their arms, tents lining the sidewalk every inch. I guess there they condense all the crack addicts into one area so at least the rest of the city is pretty normal.

[John_Havok]

17 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

That's true, but it's clear if you watched Bassitt's start, that he wasn't locating his pitches where he wanted them. He wasn't exactly painting the corners and having them get lucky hits.

You'll never convince me that preparation and focus play no role in a MLB player's success. I understand that there's no way to quantify it, but when I see a player who is unprepared or distracted not perform well, I'm always going to correlate those two things. I'm ok if you think that's stupid, we can agree to disagree. I'm not a philosopher, so I stick with the facts and apply Occam's razor.

I don't think it's stupid, just... you're a science guy, I would have thought you're more into actual evidence. 

I also love the irony of stating you're not a philosopher but then apply a philosophy of a 14th century philosopher.

[Stangstag]

13 minutes ago, BB17 said:

Was in Vancouver/Victoria a couple weeks ago.

Parts of those cities were just as bad as anything I've ever seen. Looked like Zombies walking around with needles sticking out of their arms, tents lining the sidewalk every inch. I guess there they condense all the crack addicts into one area so at least the rest of the city is pretty normal.

Oh yeah, Vancouver downtown is pretty bad too. But at least the surrounding landscape is pretty scenic

[Grant77]

3 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

I don't think it's stupid, just... you're a science guy, I would have thought you're more into actual evidence. 

I also love the irony of stating you're not a philosopher but then apply a philosophy of a 14th century philosopher.

I think that science actually does support a correlation between preparation and performance in sports, but I digress.

Occam's razor is used in science, but I guess it's called a PhD for a reason. Good call on the irony, I missed that.

[Stangstag]

53 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

Interesting conversation. Why can't we be focused all of the time? I wish I knew the answer to that one. They hire sports psychologists for a reason. That's a clear sign that teams thinks there is more to performance than physical skill and variance.

It's one of those things that seems heavily based on life experience. I haven't played high level sports, but I'll relate it to my more high pressure musical performances. When I am prepared and focused, I perform better than when I am distracted and unprepared. Your experience seems to be that life is more a random series of events that are unaffected by preparation and focus, which I can accept.

I prefer to apply Occam's razor in this instance, rather than get too philosophical. Bassitt didn't perform well and he said that he was unprepared. It may not be the reason, but that's the simplest and easiest explanation here. Chris Bassitt is perhaps my favourite player because he's candid and authentic. Call me naive, but I believe what he says in his interviews. I definitely understand what you mean about the bro culture, especially in hockey.

Tldr, 

Hoffman good

Grant wrong

[Grant77]

6 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Tldr, 

Hoffman good

Grant wrong

That conversation was about Chris Bassitt and sports psychology, not Jeff Hoffman.

[Masterbather]

3 minutes ago, Grant77 said:

I think that science actually does support a correlation between preparation and performance in sports, but I digress.

Occam's razor is used in science, but I guess it's called a PhD for a reason. Good call on the irony, I missed that.

Great philosophers and great scientists go hand in hand. There's a great historical relationship between the two fields.

Theoretical physicists require the ability to see in abstract ways with the "mind's eye", much like great philosophers. 

But I'm probably getting way too deep for a Blue Jays message board.

[Stangstag]

1 minute ago, Grant77 said:

That conversation was about Chris Bassitt and sports psychology, not Jeff Hoffman.

I didn’t read it anyways

GG

[John_Havok]

Just now, Masterbather said:

Great philosophers and great scientists go hand in hand. There's a great historical relationship between the two fields.

Theoretical physicists require the ability to see in abstract ways with the "mind's eye", much like great philosophers. 

But I'm probably getting way too deep for a Blue Jays message board.

Some of the strongest foundations in physics were discovered in large part by applying certain philosophies in the research. The two are very much intertwined. 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, BB17 said:

Lots of US cities are like that. At least the rich areas are gated communities unlike here in Canada where thugs and criminals steal 40 cars a night from driveways.

I heard the other day that car thefts are down over 20% this year in Ontario.

[John_Havok]

4 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I heard the other day that car thefts are down over 20% this year in Ontario.

25.9% to be precise

[HomeRunHomer]

7 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I heard the other day that car thefts are down over 20% this year in Ontario.

Drug overdoses are down too and they aren't sure why.

[Masterbather]

If I may say something about the recent slide before this ugly win. I do think this team was running on fumes a little bit. What was it 14 games in 13 days? During a heatwave and playing quite a few day games with a roster that's been thin, especially lately. I think they hit a bit of a wall.

I don't want to make excuses, this is a team that still has some faults and they're not as good as that red hot team that was barely losing games that we've seen in the last few weeks but I don't think this was a fair representation of them either. 

[BB17]

33 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I heard the other day that car thefts are down over 20% this year in Ontario.

Good, still a huge problem though. A lot of it is on companies like Toyota/Lexus themselves. They know their cars are stolen more than any others but people will just keep buying them so it actually helps their sales in a backwards way. Yet their tech is so easily compromised.

[Omar]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

Some of the strongest foundations in physics were discovered in large part by applying certain philosophies in the research. The two are very much intertwined. 

Absolutely. The whole scientific method is based on philosophical assumptions.  

[Omar]

14 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

If I may say something about the recent slide before this ugly win. I do think this team was running on fumes a little bit. What was it 14 games in 13 days? During a heatwave and playing quite a few day games with a roster that's been thin, especially lately. I think they hit a bit of a wall.

I don't want to make excuses, this is a team that still has some faults and they're not as good as that red hot team that was barely losing games that we've seen in the last few weeks but I don't think this was a fair representation of them either. 

When the Jays get decent pitching they can go on a heater.  This doesn't apply to every team but in the Jays case, when their bats are healthy the balanced attack is tough to beat.  They can really wear on the opposing starter.  July has been a fun month for Blue Jay fans.  I believe they will run away with the East regardless of the trade deadline acquisitions.  My concern is who will show up in a short series in terms of starters come playoff time.  Kind of a crapshoot based on history.  Berrios, Gausman, Bassitt....they can equally s*** the bed in a playoff start.