Jays sign Anthony Santander

[Stangstag]

4 minutes ago, BTS said:

It's scary because the deal is underwater as soon as he loses anything offensively. There are no secondary skills, and the carrying skill (his bat) isn't good enough to make him an asset if it slips by even 10%. 

Isn’t the same true for Vlad?? Except people want to give him 300 million for some reason

[204Jays]

Would have preferred Alonso but its a good deal and fills a need. 

Bregman on a short-term prove it deal would be icing on the cake.

[Terminator]

5 minutes ago, Bone R said:

Hearing 5 years $92 million. Sounds very reasonable. 

18.4 Mil AAV or somewhere around there isn't bad.

Factor in his age and this is no worse than what Teoscar got. 

[BTS]

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/blue-jays

Roster Resource already has it at 5/92. Not bad

[xposbrad]

Now 1 more big bat, and Flaherty and we might have a playoff team!

[L54]

Alright 5/92 isn’t bad 

I honestly thought it would be more 

Still don’t love it but that’s the same price as Tanner Scott so……

[BTS]

This takes us to 262.7. Already 1.7M past the second threshold. 

[L54]

Just now, BTS said:

This takes us to 262.7. Already 1.7M past the second threshold. 

Where is the next threshold? 

[Vancouverite]

Just now, 204Jays said:

Would have preferred Alonso but its a good deal and fills a need. 

Bregman on a short-term prove it deal would be icing on the cake.

why not also Alonso? I'd love it if they could make it happen

Springer

Bichette

Guerrero

Satander

Alonso

Kirk

Clement

Gimenez

Varsho

Martinez, Barger, Wagner, Loperfido, Jimenez, Clase, Straw, and Roden offer some intereting young bench options

[Orgfiller]

Some deferred money is included. Pop off Ross.

[Orgfiller]

I wonder by how much the deferred money brings down the AAV for tax calculations. Seems like decent business on our end even if the 5 years guarantee is steep.

[G-Snarls]

14 minutes ago, Bone R said:

Hearing 5 years $92 million. Sounds very reasonable. 

With deferrals too.  All good by me.  

[204Jays]

2 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

why not also Alonso? I'd love it if they could make it happen

Springer

Bichette

Guerrero

Satander

Alonso

Kirk

Clement

Gimenez

Varsho

Martinez, Barger, Wagner, Loperfido, Jimenez, Clase, Straw, and Roden offer some intereting young bench options

Alonso worked without Santander because they could alternate between 1st/DH with Vladdy filling in at 3rd. 

Unless you throw Santander at RF which I dont think you'd want to do.

[G-Snarls]

Add Alonso or Bregman and it's not quite so bleak

[G-Snarls]

6 minutes ago, BTS said:

This takes us to 262.7. Already 1.7M past the second threshold. 

So either you keep adding or you trade away some salary

[Vancouverite]

considering the rumours were 5/125 than how can we not be happy with 5/92? that seems like a great deal for a guy that just smashed 44 HR and just turned 30.

Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion and Josh Donaldson all had their breakout season at 29

This is also why i think it's too early to give up on guys like Kirk (26), Varsho (28), Gimenez (26). 

[Bone R]

I want Bregman but I'll settle for Alonso. 

[Terminator]

This is 8 million less than what Ben Clemens predicted without factoring in the deferrals. This isn't that bad after all. 

 

[Vancouverite]

4 minutes ago, 204Jays said:

Alonso worked without Santander because they could alternate between 1st/DH with Vladdy filling in at 3rd. 

Unless you throw Santander at RF which I dont think you'd want to do.

Santander will be in LF / RF. Doubt Springer will play a full season so i don't see why Santander needs to play DH unless it's for rest days.

Vlad/Alonso at 1B/DH i think is doable.

only downside to have both Vlad and Alonso is that you can utilize the DH to rest Springer unless you sit one of them or you move Vladdy to 3B for certain games.

Also Bo doesn't need DH games, the guy is 26 years old...

[Terminator]

5/92 is 18.4 AAV. Add in the deferred money and it's even less.

I know he sucks at literally everything else but for a switch hitter coming off a 44 homer season (3rd in MLB) I'll take it.

[BTS]

14 minutes ago, L54 said:

Where is the next threshold? 

281

[Orgfiller]

15 minutes ago, BTS said:

This takes us to 262.7. Already 1.7M past the second threshold. 

I wouldn't want to speculate, but I wonder if the deferred money calculations would actually have us under this threshold. That could mean this is our last signing of the offseason which would be underwhelming considering that we've added in an effort to compete but still have some holes to fill.

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, Orgfiller said:

I wouldn't want to speculate, but I wonder if the deferred money calculations would actually have us under this threshold. That could mean this is our last signing of the offseason which would be underwhelming considering that we've added in an effort to compete but still have some holes to fill.

I can see that being true, but also

[Vancouverite]

2 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I wouldn't want to speculate, but I wonder if the deferred money calculations would actually have us under this threshold. That could mean this is our last signing of the offseason which would be underwhelming considering that we've added in an effort to compete but still have some holes to fill.

We're getting Alonso 

maybe another SP too

How? i don't know but i can feel it 

[wilko]

5 Year 92.5 million? Ross is cooking!

 

[Vancouverite]

Maybe Rogers doesn't like rejection so he went to atkins and shapiro and said f*** it, spend whatever you need just make sure you show the baseball world that we're not a bridesmaid?

[Laika]

I wasn't big on signing this player but I don't hate the number. 

Lower AAV than Christian Walker. Two more years but he is like four years younger than Walker. 
Lower AAV than Teoscar. Again, two more years but he is a couple years younger than Hernandez. 

Joc Pederson just got the same AAV as a hard platoon DH... 

[Laika]

5 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I wouldn't want to speculate, but I wonder if the deferred money calculations would actually have us under this threshold. That could mean this is our last signing of the offseason which would be underwhelming considering that we've added in an effort to compete but still have some holes to fill.

I don't think they would care as much about the lines specifically at this point of the year. Like last year, if they suck they will firesale and dip under all relevant tax thresholds (probably). 

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

I wasn't big on signing this player but I don't hate the number. 

Lower AAV than Christian Walker. Two more years but he is like four years younger than Walker. 
Lower AAV than Teoscar. Again, two more years but he is a couple years younger than Hernandez. 

Joc Pederson just got the same AAV as a hard platoon DH... 

That's exactly how I feel about it.  

I actually thought Toronto would have to pay a lot more to get Tony.  We've seemingly gotten Tony and Hoffman for reasonable deals so far.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day though...

[glory]

Yeah agreed with others. Five years is a lot, but the AAV + deferrals makes it more reasonable given the market, especially if the latter allows them to keep spending.