Mets Putting Together Package For Vladimir Guerrero Jr

[Jays24]

According to Mike Rodriguez, a source has told him that the New York Mets are attempting to trade for Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Which is strange news because former Met and current free agent first baseman Pete Alonso is... right there. A long-time fan favorite in Queens, Alonso has had a quiet offseason as he looks for a long-term contract.

To say the least, this feels like an odd fit for both teams.

Report: Mets checked in with Blue Jays about Guerrero this winter

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3190734

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[Jays24]

I was debating whether to create a separate thread for this but I've seen a few other sources running with the news.  It's also about our most valuable asset so here it is.  

[RobinThicc]

Jays will take the comp pick, thank you very much. 

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, RobinThicc said:

Jays will take the comp pick, thank you very much. 

Usually that is built into the potential trade you make with the team.  If we're not going to seriously add 2 more bats and a decent starter to the team, we might as well take a step back by trading Vlad.  

[Barrelsandbombs]

Robert Murray, who broke the Jeff Hoffman to the Jays signing, said on his podcast today that the Mets checking in on Vlad via trade now, means Cohen will likely be a player for him next winter when he is a free agent.

[Carlos Danger]

This makes the most sense and would be better for the overall Team! The domino that would need to happen is we sign Pete Alonso in conjunction with this move.

[Carlos Danger]

41 minutes ago, RobinThicc said:

Jays will take the comp pick, thank you very much. 

I hope you are being sarcastic….

[Jays24]

44 minutes ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

Robert Murray, who broke the Jeff Hoffman to the Jays signing, said on his podcast today that the Mets checking in on Vlad via trade now, means Cohen will likely be a player for him next winter when he is a free agent.

Plus the Yankees gave a 1 year deal to Goldschmidt and the Red Sox want him too.  Vlad would be dumb to sign anything right now unless a team trades for him and gives him like 500M.  

[Jimcanuck]

Ya if the Jays strike out on Sasaki, trade his giant ass

[Laika]

7 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Plus the Yankees gave a 1 year deal to Goldschmidt and the Red Sox want him too.  Vlad would be dumb to sign anything right now unless a team trades for him and gives him like 500M.  

Well well well, let me tell you something about Vlad... 

[Jays24]

Report: Blue Jays want huge return to entertain Guerrero trade

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3191894

[Hipfan]

I’m in the trade Vlad camp as I just don’t trust him to age well. Add the fact that his awareness doesn’t seem very good and his conditioning is mediocre at best makes a long term commitment scary.

If the Jays can get decent value I’d probably rather have Alonso on a 5 yr deal plus the trade haul vs Vladdy at 10-15 years at $450-550M.

[Jays24]

"On Thursday, Drew VonScio of Newsweek proposed a deal that would ship Guerrero to New York for third baseman Mark Vientos, shortstop Jett Williams, and right-handed pitcher Jonah Tong."

[Carlos Danger]

For the Jays to expect a trade haul equal to or better than Soto, appears to be overvaluing him on the trade market while internally undervaluing him on the FA market.

I suspect that just like in many negotiations, the Jays are starting off high, but that the ask will eventually come down. Especially if they know, which they should be now, if they are too far off Vlad's ask in FA,

It should be noted, we have gone from the Jays being adamant Vlad is not available for trade, to hearing rumors of teams inquiring, to now what the ask is....

[Carlos Danger]

Just now, Jays24 said:

On Thursday, Drew VonScio of Newsweek proposed a deal that would ship Guerrero to New York for third baseman Mark Vientos, shortstop Jett Williams, and right-handed pitcher Jonah Tong.

I would be very happy with Vientos, Acuna and Gilbert if we are asking for the world ;)

[BB17]

4 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

"On Thursday, Drew VonScio of Newsweek proposed a deal that would ship Guerrero to New York for third baseman Mark Vientos, shortstop Jett Williams, and right-handed pitcher Jonah Tong."

I would make that move in a second if I were the Jays. Sure there will be public backlash, but that move also frees up salary which you could then go out and get an Alonso or a Bregman without having to add payroll for 2025.

The Jays, as they should should set the ask price super high.

[Blue balls]

26 minutes ago, Hipfan said:

I’m in the trade Vlad camp as I just don’t trust him to age well. Add the fact that his awareness doesn’t seem very good and his conditioning is mediocre at best makes a long term commitment scary.

If the Jays can get decent value I’d probably rather have Alonso on a 5 yr deal plus the trade haul vs Vladdy at 10-15 years at $450-550M.

Exactly what I’m thinking. 

[Carlos Danger]

For those not old enough to remember. There was a moment of fan backlash when the Jays traded two of their most popular players, the "Crime Dog" Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez, for Carter and some guy 90% of the fans hadn't heard of, Roberto Alomar.

Fans will get over it if they get a decent return and add to other areas of the Team. 

Winning solves all.

[Stangstag]

28 minutes ago, BB17 said:

I would make that move in a second if I were the Jays. Sure there will be public backlash, but that move also frees up salary which you could then go out and get an Alonso or a Bregman without having to add payroll for 2025.

The Jays, as they should should set the ask price super high.

I’d probably do Vientos for Vlad straight up lol. The cost savings and being able to use that money for Bregman/Alonso is already worth more combined WAR than Vlad alone, plus won’t be locked into an albatross contract for a lazy/stupid player like Vlad.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said:

For the Jays to expect a trade haul equal to or better than Soto, appears to be overvaluing him on the trade market while internally undervaluing him on the FA market.

Another way to look at this is the market has changed.  Nobody thought Soto was worth $700M+ last year when the Yanks traded for him - but here we are.

If Vlad is "worth" $450-500M on the FA market, that means he's worth more on our current team than he was when we thought he was only worth a $200-300M extension.  

[Key22]

I think the Jays should ask high and see what can be done. Brandon Sproat, Jett Williams, Tong (Canadian) and Acuna.

I doubt you can get Vientos because he's a bit of a fan favourite there and it is only 1 year of Vladdy. Still, maybe you can strengthen the return by adding something to go along with Vlad.

Freeing up $28.5. which can be handed out to other free agents while strengthing your prospect depth for a player you're not going to sign anyway makes sense. Toronto fans are fickle - they show up if you win. The Jays probably have a better shot at winning by getting 2 premium prospects 2 good prospects signing one of Santander/Alonso/Bregman and another good bullpen arm than just keeping Vlad for one more year.

I don't see why the Mets would have too much issue trading some prospects as they can spend and don't want to wait around 3 years to see if a prospect actually works out.

I suspect this is the reason they have not been all in on Alonso because they know they're going all in for Vladdy next off-season.

[BB17]

41 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Another way to look at this is the market has changed.  Nobody thought Soto was worth $700M+ last year when the Yanks traded for him - but here we are.

If Vlad is "worth" $450-500M on the FA market, that means he's worth more on our current team than he was when we thought he was only worth a $200-300M extension.  

I’d very hesitant to call Cohen overpaying Soto a change of the market. You don’t want to talk yourself into saying that then be stuck with Vladdy on an albatross contract while the market doesn’t hand out any other $450+ million  contracts.

As soon as Soto signed that deal this offseason everyone thought that was going to change the market but outside of Fried the contracts haven’t been that big otherwise. Especially if Alonso (same position as Vladdy) is struggling to get a 30M AAV deal.

[Laika]

https://x.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1879977118228193672?t=3Bx6drJj6m5oAuMyeDk-KQ&s=19

[Stangstag]

Just now, Laika said:

https://x.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1879977118228193672?t=3Bx6drJj6m5oAuMyeDk-KQ&s=19

Makes sense

[Jays24]

12 minutes ago, Laika said:

https://x.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1879977118228193672?t=3Bx6drJj6m5oAuMyeDk-KQ&s=19

11 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Makes sense

He literally posted this minutes around when the Mets said they're out on Alonso.  His whole premise of using Vlad for leverage on Alonso went out the window real quick lol.

[Brownie19]

32 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

He literally posted this minutes around when the Mets said they're out on Alonso.  His whole premise of using Vlad for leverage on Alonso went out the window real quick lol.

Leaking reports your "out" on Alonso could also just be tactic to force the issue with Alonso...never know.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, BB17 said:

I’d very hesitant to call Cohen overpaying Soto a change of the market. You don’t want to talk yourself into saying that then be stuck with Vladdy on an albatross contract while the market doesn’t hand out any other $450+ million  contracts.

Wasn't just Cohen who made actual offers in that $$$ range.

That's certainly the angle I'd be taking if I were Atkins.  Vlad is worth a f*ckton right now IMO.

[L54]

How much is there really to negotiate? Vlad has no incentive to sign unless he gets like 90% of what he wants 

This is a very long tenured relationship. You aren’t negotiating with some agent for the first time. If they waltz into ST with no deal and Vlad on the team he’s walking for a comp pick almost certainly 

[Laika]

7 minutes ago, L54 said:

How much is there really to negotiate? Vlad has no incentive to sign unless he gets like 90% of what he wants 

This is a very long tenured relationship. You aren’t negotiating with some agent for the first time. If they waltz into ST with no deal and Vlad on the team he’s walking for a comp pick almost certainly 

Yeah it's not much of a negotiation, probably. Just mild position shifting but mostly hoping the other side caves. 

[BB17]

10 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Wasn't just Cohen who made actual offers in that $$$ range.

That's certainly the angle I'd be taking if I were Atkins.  Vlad is worth a f*ckton right now IMO.

I’ve been vocal in thinking he will decline greatly into his early to mid 30s so if you can get a lot back in a trade that’s probably a better alternative to signing him to a 400+ Million deal.

The irony is the Jays drove up the prices on Ohtani and Soto and now it’s come back to bite them in the ass lol