General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Orgfiller]

17 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Literally what I keep saying and looking out for man.  Please don't stop short of a major need when you've gone this far.  

I mean they could have easily rested on their laurels after the Santander signing and just said we didn't have the money to keep adding. The Scherzer addition just about guarantees that another move is coming since they're pushing their chips in even further. How this happens remains to be seen. Alonso or Bregman might be out of the budget range with the tax surcharge implications, but a trade could very well be on the horizon.

[Rimar]

Next move can be signing Bregman or trade for Robert Jr and sign Moncada to play at 3B, then extend Vlad 12/500M

[Jays24]

1 hour ago, Orgfiller said:

I mean they could have easily rested on their laurels after the Santander signing and just said we didn't have the money to keep adding. The Scherzer addition just about guarantees that another move is coming since they're pushing their chips in even further. How this happens remains to be seen. Alonso or Bregman might be out of the budget range with the tax surcharge implications, but a trade could very well be on the horizon.

I'd be shocked if they spent 15.5M on a 40 year old 4th Starter while neglecting a top 4 of the order bat that they really need.  I definitely think they'll find a way to make it happen... let's see

[Terminator]

Saw some "Jays interested in Verdugo" crap on twitter. He doesn't appear to be any better than Barger or Roden so I doubt it's true. So baseball wise he's not a fit.

I also can't stand him and all the comments were about how much they hate him and how he's a douche.

But is there a reason why we think he's a douche? I can't really remember anything that he's done. I just know I don't like him but I don't know why.

[Jimcanuck]

Verdugo has had tattoo injuries the last few years and that has impacted his play.  If he would just stop getting pricked he might improve.

[Terminator]

6 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Verdugo has had tattoo injuries the last few years and that has impacted his play.  If he would just stop getting pricked he might improve.

I forgot about this lol

[Terminator]

His game does seem like something Ross would be interested in

High contact hitter and plays solid OF defense

[Jays24]

14 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Saw some "Jays interested in Verdugo" crap on twitter. He doesn't appear to be any better than Barger or Roden so I doubt it's true. So baseball wise he's not a fit.

I also can't stand him and all the comments were about how much they hate him and how he's a douche.

But is there a reason why we think he's a douche? I can't really remember anything that he's done. I just know I don't like him but I don't know why.

Need to add a barf emoji for times like this lol

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

26 minutes ago, Terminator said:

 

But is there a reason why we think he's a douche? I can't really remember anything that he's done. I just know I don't like him but I don't know why.

Didn't he attack Manoah for his strikeout reactions back when Alec was a stud?  Meanwhile he pimps homeruns so he's a hypocrite.

Also, he allegedly filmed and posted an assault on a 17 year old girl when he was a Dodgers prospect:

https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/12/8/23990942/alex-verdugo-trade-yankees-troubled-history-red-sox-dodgers-prospect

Never like Verdugo.

[Terminator]

 

 

 

Remember last March when the Giants signed two Boras clients to one year deals? 

Who is Alonso and Bregman's agent again?

 

[jaysblue]

Thoughts on Manoah as an arm coming out of the pen? 

Was discussing it with a co-worker today. Would be interesting to see if Manoah would become a dominant elite closer or reliever. Would be a cool experiment. 

[Terminator]

5 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Thoughts on Manoah as an arm coming out of the pen? 

Was discussing it with a co-worker today. Would be interesting to see if Manoah would become a dominant elite closer or reliever. Would be a cool experiment. 

I don't think he'd be very good at it tbh.

Usually, starting pitchers who turn into good relievers are guys that have an elite pitch that they can over rely on in one inning stints. 

Manoah doesn't have a pitch like that. Even in his 2022 season his slider got a 118 Stuff+ score. Since then, even that pitch has been below average along with all of his others.

He was always more of a kitchen sink guy which helps him as a starter.

 

[G-Snarls]

8 hours ago, Jays24 said:

I'd be shocked if they spent 15.5M on a 40 year old 4th Starter while neglecting a top 4 of the order bat that they really need.  I definitely think they'll find a way to make it happen... let's see

They're trying. Just haven't got Bregman or Alonso to fully bite yet. 

(Probably cause both actually want to stay where they are just holding out for more years/dollars)

[jerb]

 

[Jonn]

On 1/31/2025 at 1:55 PM, Orgfiller said:

I mean they could have easily rested on their laurels after the Santander signing and just said we didn't have the money to keep adding. The Scherzer addition just about guarantees that another move is coming since they're pushing their chips in even further. How this happens remains to be seen. Alonso or Bregman might be out of the budget range with the tax surcharge implications, but a trade could very well be on the horizon.

The Santander deal never made sense without other moves on the horizon. There was always going to be other moves. The needle never moved with Santander alone. With Max and Bregman or Alonso or both it does substantially. And the Jays could easily afford it. It’s whether or not it’s worth it to them.

[Carlos Danger]

On 1/31/2025 at 11:35 AM, Rimar said:

Next move can be signing Bregman or trade for Robert Jr and sign Moncada to play at 3B, then extend Vlad 12/500M

I think you are going to be disappointed... Plus, Moncada sucks...

[Jays24]

https://www.espn.com/contributor/jeff-passan/fe3bb6f53578b

Right-hander Jack Flaherty and the Detroit Tigers are in agreement on a two-year, $35 million contract that includes an opt-out after the first season, sources tell ESPN.

[Brownie19]

6 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

https://www.espn.com/contributor/jeff-passan/fe3bb6f53578b

Right-hander Jack Flaherty and the Detroit Tigers are in agreement on a two-year, $35 million contract that includes an opt-out after the first season, sources tell ESPN.

Oh man - that seems super affordable.  Would you rather have Flaherty or Max?

I think Flaherty all the way.  If the Tigers land Bregman and maybe a could low cost FAs, that will be a tidy off-season from them.

[Abomination]

If he performs like last year, it'll be a hell of a bargain.

[Abomination]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

Oh man - that seems super affordable.  Would you rather have Flaherty or Max?

I think Flaherty all the way.  If the Tigers land Bregman and maybe a could low cost FAs, that will be a tidy off-season from them.

I'd rather Max, but I would have been okay with that deal too.

[Spanky__99]

25 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Oh man - that seems super affordable.  Would you rather have Flaherty or Max?

I think Flaherty all the way.  If the Tigers land Bregman and maybe a could low cost FAs, that will be a tidy off-season from them.

Flaherty no doubt, that's a tidy fit for Detroit.

[xposbrad]

28 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Oh man - that seems super affordable.  Would you rather have Flaherty or Max?

I think Flaherty all the way.  If the Tigers land Bregman and maybe a could low cost FAs, that will be a tidy off-season from them.

Obviously Flaherty. Max lost speed on his fb and can easily turn to negative war this year, he’s 40 lol.

[G-Snarls]

Would Flaherty plus Bregman put the Tigers as a legit division contender?

[Spanky__99]

5 hours ago, Abomination said:

If he performs like last year, it'll be a hell of a bargain.

I'm surprised he had to take another show me deal, but I guess the health questions early in his career and the length of a larger term still has teams nervous, if he pitches like last season with a few more starts, as he's been relatively healthy. A 4 win season isn't out of the question and at 25M that's a helluva bargain if he pulls it off. Not sure how you'd rather Max over Flaherty, is it the guaranteed 35? 

[Spanky__99]

5 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Would Flaherty plus Bregman put the Tigers as a legit division contender?

Of course. That'd put them right at a projected 90 win team. Whereis Minny's at 90, KC's at 85, Cleveland's at 84, Chicago's at 69, lol. So Tigers are an 85.5 win team so the addition would put them right there with Minny. Twinkies have  the best pitching and the Tigers with the best bats, adding Bregman certainly makes them a contender for the Central.

Jays at 90.1... so if they acquired Bregman, we'd basically be a projected 95 win team.

Git R Done! 🤪

[Spanky__99]

7 hours ago, xposbrad said:

Obviously Flaherty. Max lost speed on his fb and can easily turn to negative war this year, he’s 40 lol.

It's a lot closer than you think. Negative WAR, lol.

[L54]

Will the Tigers trade Jack Flaherty to the Dodgers at the deadline two years in a row? 

[Abomination]

10 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

I'm surprised he had to take another show me deal, but I guess the health questions early in his career and the length of a larger term still has teams nervous, if he pitches like last season with a few more starts, as he's been relatively healthy. A 4 win season isn't out of the question and at 25M that's a helluva bargain if he pulls it off. Not sure how you'd rather Max over Flaherty, is it the guaranteed 35? 

The money is part of it, but Flaherty in 2023 also posted a 4.99 ERA and 4.36 xFIP and in a 2022 (limited starts) put up a 4.25 ERA and 4.93 xFIP with walk problems both years and has had a lot of injury issues beyond that. Both players project pretty similarly but Scherzer has a much better health record and has much better, or at least consistent, command. I have more faith in Scherzer meeting his projections than I do in Flaherty, but Flaherty probably has a higher ceiling.  I would have been happy to get either of them though.

[max silver]

16 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Oh man - that seems super affordable.  Would you rather have Flaherty or Max?

I think Flaherty all the way.  If the Tigers land Bregman and maybe a could low cost FAs, that will be a tidy off-season from them.

If it were a choice between a combination of Scherzer and one of Alonso/Bregman vs Flaherty by himself I'd gladly take Scherzer. If it were possible to still add another bat on top of Flaherty I would take the upside that Flaherty offers all day long.

[G-Snarls]

Gausman on Blair and Barker:

 

Can't blame guys who get to free agency and get to pick where they want to go and where they don't

He was under pressure and wanted to sign before the lockout

Likes how Jays fans are when the team is winning "I was there in 2016 when we got walked off"

Learned from Bassitt

Doesn't like the idea of a 6 man rotation