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[BTS]

A lot of teams should be embarrassed for letting Diaz sign for that. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

4 minutes ago, BTS said:

A lot of teams should be embarrassed for letting Diaz sign for that. 

I would be very interested to know if that was actually the best offer Diaz received or if he just chose the Dodgers.

[Laika]

2 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I would be very interested to know if that was actually the best offer Diaz received or if he just chose the Dodgers.

I am thinking he just chose the Dodgers... maybe it was the highest AAV he had on the table and he's doing some sort of "bet on myself" thing thinking he can just do this again in 3 years 

[Laika]

It's also conceivable that no team wanted to go 5 years on a reliever this offseason. Maybe he was only getting 3 and 4 year offers.

[mphenhef]

18 minutes ago, BTS said:

A lot of teams should be embarrassed for letting Diaz sign for that. 

Maybe he took less to get himself a ring?

[Jimcanuck]

49 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

f*** the Dodgers and f*** Edwin Diaz

 

I hope his arm falls off in spring training 

LA Dodgers is where relievers go to die

[Brownie19]

Baseball gods - do your thing...

[G-Snarls]

6 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

Maybe he took less to get himself a ring?

I'm sure it wasn't fun being a Met this last season 

[mphenhef]

Part of me wonders if we will see Diaz having got the second year salary low or with a big signing bonus so he gets paid even if there is a work stoppage.

[Jimcanuck]

50 minutes ago, glory said:

Diaz is 3 years younger than Suarez with a better track record and got 3 years. Wonder what Suarez's market will look like now. 

Also Schwarber's deal takes the Phillies out of the Tucker sweepstakes most likely. The Yankees are counting pennies, and the Dodgers apparently only want in if the deal is shorter term/higher AAV. The Mets need an OF but Stearns while having unlimited financial resources wants to be the smartest guy in the room (Soto was a Cohen signing), so not sure he's going to give out a massive deal for Tucker. The Red Sox are trying to trade an OF. I'm not sure where Tucker's market other than the Jays is going to come from. 

I see the Tigers as a potential destination for Tucker.  They can dream on a Riley Greene, Max Clark, and Kyle Tucker OF.

They have payroll room, and can build an elite lineup around Greene, Clark, Tucker, and McGonigle.

[Orgfiller]

7 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

I see the Tigers as a potential destination for Tucker.  They can dream on a Riley Greene, Max Clark, and Kyle Tucker OF.

They have payroll room, and can build an elite lineup around Greene, Clark, Tucker, and McGonigle.

The Tigers don't even want to pay their homegrown ace. What makes you think they'll go after the top FA available?

[DonJays]

2 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

The Tigers don't even want to pay their homegrown ace. What makes you think they'll go after the top FA available?

Must be stupidity 

[Jimcanuck]

31 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

The Tigers don't even want to pay their homegrown ace. What makes you think they'll go after the top FA available?

Pitchers are a riskier investment.  Skubal doesn't have the best health record.  He had TJS in 2017,  Then in August 2022 he had flexor tendon surgery that kept him out for almost a year.

They also of course have more details than other teams on the health of Skubal's arm.

[Jimcanuck]

As the center of the return, Bowden has Detroit acquiring Los Angeles ace Tyler Glasnow in addition to high upside current MLB arm Emmet Sheehan and highly-rated outfield prospect Zyhir Hope.

[BTS]

4 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

As the center of the return, Bowden has Detroit acquiring Los Angeles ace Tyler Glasnow in addition to high upside current MLB arm Emmet Sheehan and highly-rated outfield prospect Zyhir Hope.

Is this a rumour or Bowden spitballing a possible trade?

It's  pretty good if Detroit is actually too cheap to keep Skubal. 

[Jimcanuck]

Just now, BTS said:

Is this a rumour or Bowden spitballing a possible trade?

It's  pretty good if Detroit is actually too cheap to keep Skubal. 

Spitballing, but seems plausible

[mphenhef]

 

13 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

As the center of the return, Bowden has Detroit acquiring Los Angeles ace Tyler Glasnow in addition to high upside current MLB arm Emmet Sheehan and highly-rated outfield prospect Zyhir Hope.

Why even bother mentioning anything Bowden says?  He's clueless.

[Jimcanuck]

2 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

 

Why even bother mentioning anything Bowden says?  He's clueless.

True.  I posted hoping to spark discussion on the potential return.

Sheehan was the first name that came to mind.  Edgardo Henriquez also likely.  Hope or De Paula.  And one other SP.

[L54]

I think the Tigers are nuts if they don’t deal Skubal. The haul would be massive and even if you’re willing to commit 350M or whatever why not acquire a bunch of pieces from the trade and then spend this winter? 

[Orgfiller]

17 minutes ago, L54 said:

I think the Tigers are nuts if they don’t deal Skubal. The haul would be massive and even if you’re willing to commit 350M or whatever why not acquire a bunch of pieces from the trade and then spend this winter? 

I think they'd be out of their minds to not deal him if they have no intention of meeting his contract demands. With that said, they're a pretty mediocre team who happens to still contend thanks to existing in the worst division in the league, can they really afford to lose someone of his calibre with a relatively exciting prospect pipeline coming through the ranks?

Something to be said about making the homegrown ace the face of your franchise for the foreseeable future, and hoping that can both instill a winning mentality in the upcoming younger players, and signal to FAs that they're serious about contending.

[Jimcanuck]

25 minutes ago, L54 said:

I think the Tigers are nuts if they don’t deal Skubal. The haul would be massive and even if you’re willing to commit 350M or whatever why not acquire a bunch of pieces from the trade and then spend this winter? 

Exactly.  We've seen what the Nats / Padres Soto deal returned to the Nats.  If like the Nats and Soto, Tigers won't pony up the money for Skubal, they need to move him.

[L54]

11 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I think they'd be out of their minds to not deal him if they have no intention of meeting his contract demands. With that said, they're a pretty mediocre team who happens to still contend thanks to existing in the worst division in the league, can they really afford to lose someone of his calibre with a relatively exciting prospect pipeline coming through the ranks?

Something to be said about making the homegrown ace the face of your franchise for the foreseeable future, and hoping that can both instill a winning mentality in the upcoming younger players, and signal to FAs that they're serious about contending.

Gotta look past 2026. Does it really matter if they’re division champs next season and Skubal walks? If I was a Tiger fan it sure wouldn’t 

Or you bring in Sheehan +++ and distribute that money to Michael King and Cody Bellinger with Kevin McG waiting and a bolstered minor league roster 

[L54]

12 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Exactly.  We've seen what the Nats / Padres Soto deal returned to the Nats.  If like the Nats and Soto, Tigers won't pony up the money for Skubal, they need to move him.

And really they should know by now if they’re willing to meet his number or not 

It’s also inherently risky to commit to an SP like that. I’d rather build my team around a 400M hitter than pitcher 

[Orgfiller]

Just now, L54 said:

Gotta look past 2026. Does it really matter if they’re division champs next season and Skubal walks? If I was a Tiger fan it sure wouldn’t 

Or you bring in Sheehan +++ and distribute that money to Michael King and Cody Bellinger with Kevin McG waiting and a bolstered minor league roster 

Yeah don't disagree there. However, I think Skubal is firmly in that category of players that if you can afford it, you should mostly be prepared to give him whatever he wants. Idk, I get that he's a pitcher but he's the best pitcher in baseball.

I think ironically, if they take a Dodgers package of like, Sheehan++, assuming mostly minor leaguers, then they're going to be one Tarik Skubal like piece away from being true contenders, even with Michael King + Cody Bellinger attempting to but not recuperating the lost value.

They're not quite a dumpster fire as a team like the White Sox were when they moved Crochet, and I'm sure they're regretting not getting full value from him. Prospects are so fickle, and you can't realistically bank on getting anyone back that would be as impactful as Tarik Skubal is to contention.

[Orgfiller]

7 minutes ago, L54 said:

And really they should know by now if they’re willing to meet his number or not 

It’s also inherently risky to commit to an SP like that. I’d rather build my team around a 400M hitter than pitcher 

I totally get this mindset and the logic behind it, don't get me wrong. But the Tigers are realistically not a poverty franchise in a small market. They can and should afford to throw big bucks around to the likes of Skubal, and not be totally financially hampered to still make other big moves payroll wise. I actually think they're in a perfect position where most of their talent is pre-arb or early arb with some good prospects coming up, no real albatross contracts aside from the disaster that was the Javier Baez signing.

[Spanky__99]

4 hours ago, Laika said:

this is weird

did Edwin Diaz just snap accept this because he "wants to win"? 

Looks that way, don't blame him.

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I would be very interested to know if that was actually the best offer Diaz received or if he just chose the Dodgers.

The latter.

[philly30]

Schwarber signing is terrible, Phillies screwed for years

[Jonn]

I thought Diaz was dead set on 5 years. The fact that he took 3 years. I’m disappointed the Jays weren’t willing to go to $72-75 million over 3. 

He probably wanted to be a Dodger ultimately.

[thatoneguy]

Just a reminder that without Ohtani's absurd contract structure, this wouldn't be possible for the Dodgers.