2024 Trade Deadline

[MikeM3]

I don't know how you can't sell Kikuchi in a sellers market with like 10 teams looking for SPs. AND most of them have completely superfluous parts they'd deal in a heartbeat. For example, Guardians MIFs or Orioles AAA position players.

[Jays24]

Why the f*** is Atkins still employed? The longer this madness goes on, the more I want Shapiro's ass to follow him outta the country.

[Jimcanuck]

Don't want a drawn out teardown

 

With the state of the farm, the team will only get worse if it doesn't get a return now for older declining players

[Terminator]

I don't know how you can't sell Kikuchi in a sellers market with like 10 teams looking for SPs. AND most of them have completely superfluous parts they'd deal in a heartbeat. For example, Guardians MIFs or Orioles AAA position players.

 

He should get a haul. What other starting pitchers will be out there that are better? Crochet if he's even dealt?

[glory]

I don't know how you can't sell Kikuchi in a sellers market with like 10 teams looking for SPs. AND most of them have completely superfluous parts they'd deal in a heartbeat. For example, Guardians MIFs or Orioles AAA position players.

 

Were Happ and Stroman the best SP’s available in the 2018 and 2019 deadlines respectively? I don’t recall but if they weren’t the best, then they were damn close. Atkins can still mess this up.

 

Regardless, the Orioles would be an interesting trade partner. If any team has expendable position player prospect depth, it’s them. Joey Ortiz was expendable to them while he’d have been the Jays best prospect by a landslide before this season. They’d likely have interest in Kooch and Garcia (if healthy).

[Terminator]

On top of Kikuchi we can sprinkle in some sweeteners like a reliever (Yimi or Richards) as well as vetrin presents (KK or Turner) and we can pay for all of it which could be enticing to some poor teams. Heck, we could even send them Kikuchi's battery mate in Jansen.

[Spanky99]

He should get a haul. What other starting pitchers will be out there that are better? Crochet if he's even dealt?

 

Not much, I believe he's right behind Crochet as well. Should get a good return.

[Spanky99]

Were Happ and Stroman the best SP’s available in the 2018 and 2019 deadlines respectively? I don’t recall but if they weren’t the best, then they were damn close. Atkins can still mess this up.

 

Regardless, the Orioles would be an interesting trade partner. If any team has expendable position player prospect depth, it’s them. Joey Ortiz was expendable to them while he’d have been the Jays best prospect by a landslide before this season. They’d likely have interest in Kooch and Garcia (if healthy).

 

Atkins has been muzzled, he won't be running the deadline moves, it'll be Click/Tinnish and Shapiro overseeing it.

[Spanky99]

On top of Kikuchi we can sprinkle in some sweeteners like a reliever (Yimi or Richards) as well as vetrin presents (KK or Turner) and we can pay for all of it which could be enticing to some poor teams. Heck, we could even send them Kikuchi's battery mate in Jansen.

 

Go checkout a LAD's message forum, they want all our guys, lol. Bo/Kooch/Turner/Garcia in that order.

[wilko]

Go checkout a LAD's message forum, they want all our guys, lol. Bo/Kooch/Turner/Garcia in that order.

 

They got a taste of Biggio, and now they want the full course!

[Spanky99]

They got a taste of Biggio, and now they want the full course!

 

Did you see Biggio's bomb yesterday? He parked it deep!

[Laika]

He should get a haul. What other starting pitchers will be out there that are better? Crochet if he's even dealt?

 

There are more than you think.

 

Likely getting sold: Flaherty, Crochet, Kikuchi, Fedde

 

Might get sold: Scherzer, Snell, Severino, Eovaldi, Montas, Montgomery

 

And then a dozen other obviously worse pitchers who could get sold

 

Of course, salary and talent make Kikuchi better than most of those names but not all of them. The Jays may not actually get a haul since there could be some viable alternatives.

[Omar]

In order for Atkins/Jays to maximize his return for Kikuchi he has to preemptively deal before other candidates as Laika noted become available. Basically pull a Billy Beane Moneyball move and say, "I thought I would give you first dibs on the lefty. You don't act now he will be gone by the weekend."

[MikeM3]

Were Happ and Stroman the best SP’s available in the 2018 and 2019 deadlines respectively? I don’t recall but if they weren’t the best, then they were damn close. Atkins can still mess this up.

 

Regardless, the Orioles would be an interesting trade partner. If any team has expendable position player prospect depth, it’s them. Joey Ortiz was expendable to them while he’d have been the Jays best prospect by a landslide before this season. They’d likely have interest in Kooch and Garcia (if healthy).

 

Stroman was maybe, I can't remember. But regardless neither were nuking teams like Kooch just did. He's a notch above

[connorp]

Did you see Biggio's bomb yesterday? He parked it deep!

 

That used to buy him 2 weeks of goodwill from you guys here.

[G-Snarls]

Were Happ and Stroman the best SP’s available in the 2018 and 2019 deadlines respectively? I don’t recall but if they weren’t the best, then they were damn close. Atkins can still mess this up.

 

Regardless, the Orioles would be an interesting trade partner. If any team has expendable position player prospect depth, it’s them. Joey Ortiz was expendable to them while he’d have been the Jays best prospect by a landslide before this season. They’d likely have interest in Kooch and Garcia (if healthy).

 

No, but they were close as you say

 

2018: Chris Archer was traded

 

2019: Zack Greinke and Trevor Bauer were traded

Edited July 11, 2024 by G-Snarls

[Spanky99]

That used to buy him 2 weeks of goodwill from you guys here.

 

Why are you so stupid connorp? Education, upbringing, paint chips?

[connorp]

Why are you so stupid connorp? Education, upbringing, paint chips?

 

When I sleep through any sort of debate and there are calls for me to be replaced as the great poster here, I will reacess my mental acumen

[Spanky99]

Hmm...

[hanton]

Gavin Stone

 

IP 4.2

Hits 9

ER 4

 

Ross.......

[Spanky99]

Gavin Stone

 

IP 4.2

Hits 9

ER 4

 

Ross.......

 

[hanton]

 

the LA rotation is kind of a joke right now, they need Kikuchi and have the pieces to get it done. ...and they just optioned Bobby Miller

[Spanky99]

the LA rotation is kind of a joke right now, they need Kikuchi and have the pieces to get it done. ...and they just optioned Bobby Miller

 

Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world. Stone's been good though.

[Carlos Danger]

They need to move Bo- period! We have a unique situation where both ATL and LAD need a SS.

 

The acquiring team will get 2 playoff runs with him.

 

There is very little chance the Jays sign both Vlad and Bo, Bo being less likely.

 

Bo has a good track record is still young, good body type and plays a premium position. Even with his struggles, he has a lot of value.

 

We can get much more now playing the Dodgers vs Atlanta then we can in the off season or next year's trade deadline.

 

Fool's errand thinking this Team will get good enough next year as compared to other Teams in our division's trajectory.

 

Need to get young assets at highest value.

 

Trade Bo now!

[Stangstag]

They need to move Bo- period! We have a unique situation where both ATL and LAD need a SS.

 

The acquiring team will get 2 playoff runs with him.

 

There is very little chance the Jays sign both Vlad and Bo, Bo being less likely.

 

Bo has a good track record is still young, good body type and plays a premium position. Even with his struggles, he has a lot of value.

 

We can get much more now playing the Dodgers vs Atlanta then we can in the off season or next year's trade deadline.

 

Fool's errand thinking this Team will get good enough next year as compared to other Teams in our division's trajectory.

 

Need to get young assets at highest value.

 

Trade Bo now!

 

Ask yourself, does a contending team like the Braves/Dodgers even want Bo playing SS everyday with the way he’s currently playing?

 

Would we get anything worthwhile? Would those teams be willing to pay the price of what Bo SHOULD be worth if his numbers were similar to career-norms?

 

Idk man, the most likely scenario is they hold onto Bo and hope he finishes the season strong

[Joltin Joe]

They need to move Bo- period! We have a unique situation where both ATL and LAD need a SS.

 

The acquiring team will get 2 playoff runs with him.

 

There is very little chance the Jays sign both Vlad and Bo, Bo being less likely.

 

Bo has a good track record is still young, good body type and plays a premium position. Even with his struggles, he has a lot of value.

 

We can get much more now playing the Dodgers vs Atlanta then we can in the off season or next year's trade deadline.

 

Fool's errand thinking this Team will get good enough next year as compared to other Teams in our division's trajectory.

 

Need to get young assets at highest value.

 

Trade Bo now!

Like to get enough to help farm system. Move some contract also. Bo, Keiermayer, Kik, moves almost 40 million next season.

[Carlos Danger]

Ask yourself, does a contending team like the Braves/Dodgers even want Bo playing SS everyday with the way he’s currently playing?

 

Would we get anything worthwhile? Would those teams be willing to pay the price of what Bo SHOULD be worth if his numbers were similar to career-norms?

 

Idk man, the most likely scenario is they hold onto Bo and hope he finishes the season strong

 

They would be banking on projections, past history, 1st half slump etc. As mentioned, more value now to the receiving Team with two shots at having him in the playoffs then the offseason.

 

Also, if he does end up sucking the whole year, they won't even take a chance and won't be desperate.

[jaysblue]

the LA rotation is kind of a joke right now, they need Kikuchi and have the pieces to get it done. ...and they just optioned Bobby Miller

 

See if they would take Berrios as well.

 

Kikuchi though would be a terrific fit with the Dodgers.

[L54]

the LA rotation is kind of a joke right now, they need Kikuchi and have the pieces to get it done. ...and they just optioned Bobby Miller

 

I agree 100%. The Jays have one of the 3 best starters that will be moved with a ton of teams needing pitching help. LA is probably #1 and Baltimore might be #2 both who have a ton of close to the majors prospects or guys who have bounced back and forth. I like their chances of landing a useful piece for Kikuchi

[L54]

They need to move Bo- period! We have a unique situation where both ATL and LAD need a SS.

 

The acquiring team will get 2 playoff runs with him.

 

There is very little chance the Jays sign both Vlad and Bo, Bo being less likely.

 

Bo has a good track record is still young, good body type and plays a premium position. Even with his struggles, he has a lot of value.

 

We can get much more now playing the Dodgers vs Atlanta then we can in the off season or next year's trade deadline.

 

Fool's errand thinking this Team will get good enough next year as compared to other Teams in our division's trajectory.

 

Need to get young assets at highest value.

 

Trade Bo now!

 

I’d sell him if you get even 80% of what you think he’s worth. He’s clearly not re-signing so I don’t have a problem closing the chapter