Positivity Thread

[glory]

It's positive (kind of nice) that the path was made so clear

 

There is a blessing in that

 

No more fooling around or pretending that they have a chance

 

Let the healing process begin. Closure.

 

This is honestly the most positive development of the season so far. They can't put lipstick on a pig. They stink and it's clear as day. If they were flirting with .500 with a -60 run differential by mid July, the FO could have easily gotten delusional, but that ain't happening now.

[jaysblue]

Time to close this thread?

 

I enjoyed the Swiss Chalet and St. Hubert discussion.

[jaysblue]

 

Summer has officially been ruined folks

 

I hope Ross Atkins feels terrible about it

 

You debbie downer! There is still a chance. Have you ever watched the film Angels in the Outfield? It's possible.

[jaysblue]

if only he signed tee-oscar!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If only he actually tried to upgrade the lineup with some pop!

[max silver]

If only he actually tried to upgrade the lineup with some pop!

 

I think you should understand perfectly well by now that it wouldn't have mattered all that much with how poor the pitching has been as a whole.

[L54]

Here is the part you guys are missing who mock anyone who says they shouldn’t have signed all limp dick bats

 

It’s true that even Soto couldn’t have saved the Jays this year but that doesn’t mean that having added a legit bat or two would have been the wrong process. I mean this team right now in the flesh is confirmation that Atkins plan was hilariously wrong and a bunch of guys in their moms basement knew better

[Laika]

It would be more direct to just ask jaysblue for a handjob because it's coming

[BTS]

Basically nobody on this forum was completely right or wrong. Some people were right that complaining about the Varsho trade and IKF signing were way overblown. Others were right that the offense wasn't good enough. But were wrong about why it wouldn't be good enough: the secondary offense has been very, very good and the biggest culprits for the limp dick offense have actually been Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk. They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

And then basically everyone on the forum was wrong about the pitching.

[BigCecil]

Basically nobody on this forum was completely right or wrong. Some people were right that complaining about the Varsho trade and IKF signing were way overblown. Others were right that the offense wasn't good enough. But were wrong about why it wouldn't be good enough: the secondary offense has been very, very good and the biggest culprits for the limp dick offense have actually been Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk. They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

And then basically everyone on the forum was wrong about the pitching.

 

“A Plague on both your houses”

[BTS]

Following up:

 

Springer is like -10 offensive runs this year. 13 runs or so behind where he'd be if he played to projections.

Bichette is at -7. About 15 runs below projections.

Kirk -8, and would have been projected at a small positive. Say 10 runs below projections.

 

That's a 38-run swing. The difference between 27th in runs (where the Jays sit) and middle of the pack (15th). And that's without accounting for Vlad being Ryan Noda and not Yordan Alvarez.

[Spanky99]

It would be more direct to just ask jaysblue for a handjob because it's coming

 

Bwahahaha...

[Spanky99]

Basically nobody on this forum was completely right or wrong. Some people were right that complaining about the Varsho trade and IKF signing were way overblown. Others were right that the offense wasn't good enough. But were wrong about why it wouldn't be good enough: the secondary offense has been very, very good and the biggest culprits for the limp dick offense have actually been Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk. They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

And then basically everyone on the forum was wrong about the pitching.

 

True story... ^^^

[connorp]

Basically nobody on this forum was completely right or wrong. Some people were right that complaining about the Varsho trade and IKF signing were way overblown. Others were right that the offense wasn't good enough. But were wrong about why it wouldn't be good enough: the secondary offense has been very, very good and the biggest culprits for the limp dick offense have actually been Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk. They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

And then basically everyone on the forum was wrong about the pitching.

 

I mean, are things true because you’re confident about it?

I’m going to do you a favor and throw about KK as he’s definitely gone soon.

By secondary offense, you mean Schneider, Turner, IKF, Janssen, Varsho. They hodgepodge to like a .720 OPS with a high of .730. I’m not sure if that classifies as very, very good and if I told you preseason none of those guys would have an OPS higher than .730, you would’ve called me a blatant troll

[connorp]

The truth is Varsho is valuable for what he is. But the hope he was something more than he is and what you guys hoped, doesn’t look good.

Schneider looks like a passable player

Turner may die before year end

I promise you IKF is at his peak

Janssen has proved again he’s just a tease

[Spanky99]

I mean, are things true because you’re confident about it?

I’m going to do you a favor and throw about KK as he’s definitely gone soon.

By secondary offense, you mean Schneider, Turner, IKF, Janssen, Varsho. They hodgepodge to like a .720 OPS with a high of .730. I’m not sure if that classifies as very, very good and if I told you preseason none of those guys would have an OPS higher than .730, you would’ve called me a blatant troll

 

[BatFlip]

The truth is Varsho is valuable for what he is. But the hope he was something more than he is and what you guys hoped, doesn’t look good.

Schneider looks like a passable player

Turner may die before year end

I promise you IKF is at his peak

Janssen has proved again he’s just a tease

 

Varsho is on pace for a four to five win season you nitwit. He’s one of the few bright spots this year.

[connorp]

Varsho is on pace for a four to five win season you nitwit. He’s one of the few bright spots this year.

 

I could’ve sworn the topic at hand was offense. Maybe I need to reread. Or maybe you, idk. You tell me

[Brownie19]

Basically nobody on this forum was completely right or wrong. Some people were right that complaining about the Varsho trade and IKF signing were way overblown. Others were right that the offense wasn't good enough. But were wrong about why it wouldn't be good enough: the secondary offense has been very, very good and the biggest culprits for the limp dick offense have actually been Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk. They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

And then basically everyone on the forum was wrong about the pitching.

 

Spot on.

[BTS]

I mean, are things true because you’re confident about it?

I’m going to do you a favor and throw about KK as he’s definitely gone soon.

By secondary offense, you mean Schneider, Turner, IKF, Janssen, Varsho. They hodgepodge to like a .720 OPS with a high of .730. I’m not sure if that classifies as very, very good and if I told you preseason none of those guys would have an OPS higher than .730, you would’ve called me a blatant troll

 

A 0.730 OPS this year is like 10% above league average. If we knew before the season that Schneider, Turner, IKF, Jansen, and Varsho would combine for like a 110 wRC+ halfway through the season we'd be buying playoff tickets.

[connorp]

A 0.730 OPS this year is like 10% above league average. If we knew before the season that Schneider, Turner, IKF, Jansen, and Varsho would combine for like a 110 wRC+ halfway through the season we'd be buying playoff tickets.

 

Vlad is Vlad. He’s at least been last year. Springer’s rapid decline started last year, Kirk fell off a cliff last year too. They crossed their fingers it was just a fluke. They are professionals and saw these guys day in and day out. You can’t can’t claim any shockers. Other than Bo, who will start hitting at some point like he’s a star, to end up high 700’s OPS. He’s a 120 wRC+ guy with what should be an illegal few point bump for Roger’s Center.

The supporting cast is not as good as you think it is. It’s just a recipe for maybe a .500 team if the others guys were doing a little better

[BTS]

Vlad is Vlad. He’s at least been last year. Springer’s rapid decline started last year, Kirk fell off a cliff last year too. They crossed their fingers it was just a fluke. They are professionals and saw these guys day in and day out. You can’t can’t claim any shockers. Other than Bo, who will start hitting at some point like he’s a star, to end up high 700’s OPS. He’s a 120 wRC+ guy with what should be an illegal few point bump for Roger’s Center.

The supporting cast is not as good as you think it is. It’s just a recipe for maybe a .500 team if the others guys were doing a little better

 

This is what I posted earlier:

They were right about Atkins having failed, but wrong about why: it's not that he overemphasized defense, but rather that he either misevaluated the core or hired an inept staff that failed to unlock their skills (both?).

 

You've basically just reiterated what I said, only you're framing it as a disagreement for some reason.

[Jays333]

Something positive. Were losing enough that dumbass Atkins cannot justify adding or standing pat at the deadline. Lets hope it keeps up that way. The worst thing this team can do at this point is hover around.500 near the 3rd wildcard spot.

[Spanky99]

This is what I posted earlier:

 

You've basically just reiterated what I said, only you're framing it as a disagreement for some reason.

 

All connor brings is the troll angle now, tiring.

[connorp]

All connor brings is the troll angle now, tiring.

 

My posts objectively have more substance to them than yours, as a whole.

I didn’t necessarily disagree with everything BTS said, but I named off the main guys he was referring to and factually pointed out most have not been the optimal outcome hoped for with offense. Except IKF. Can’t have expected anything more for him with the bat. That’s not saying a ton but it’s a revelation if you will, for now. I expect him to crash down soon enough though

[connorp]

All connor brings is the troll angle now, tiring.

 

You really only bring the bitch angle now and make reports about posters like the bloody chin guy when they give you s*** back, to get them banned. Whatever floats your boat, mate

[Spanky99]

You really only bring the bitch angle now and make reports about posters like the bloody chin guy when they give you s*** back, to get them banned. Whatever floats your boat, mate

 

See, just proving my point, invalid.

[connorp]

See, just proving my point, invalid.

 

I’m nothing if not a man of self-reflection.

If Spanky- King of the 4 Memes- tells me that I need to have more substance in my posts, perhaps I need to work on that.

I do appreciate your constructive criticism.

I’m sure your rapid deterioration from normal person to elderly cripple has heightened your wisdom and sensitivities, and so it’s good sometimes to see things from another lens sometimes. Thank you, my friend. If I was in Toronto, I’d try to make time to stop by the park for a spot of chess with you.

[The Cats Ass]

I mean, are things true because you’re confident about it?

I’m going to do you a favor and throw about KK as he’s definitely gone soon.

By secondary offense, you mean Schneider, Turner, IKF, Janssen, Varsho. They hodgepodge to like a .720 OPS with a high of .730. I’m not sure if that classifies as very, very good and if I told you preseason none of those guys would have an OPS higher than .730, you would’ve called me a blatant troll

 

League average OPS is .704. Those 5 are all above that mark. Ernie Clement is above that as well. If Vlad, Bo, Springer, and Kirk performed what ALL projections were projecting we'd have a good offense with the ability to fill the lineup with 0 below average bats.

[The Cats Ass]

The truth is Varsho is valuable for what he is. But the hope he was something more than he is and what you guys hoped, doesn’t look good.

Schneider looks like a passable player

Turner may die before year end

I promise you IKF is at his peak

Janssen has proved again he’s just a tease

 

Reported for being off topic. This is the positivity thread. Your grandmother would be disappointed in you.

[connorp]

Reported for being off topic. This is the positivity thread. Your grandmother would be disappointed in you.

 

You guys say worse to me much more regularly