RustyTrombone Verified Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 This might be his best post. Didn’t Richy have a few good multi inning appearances towards the end of the year? He sucked ass at the end of the year after he came back from his injury, his best multi inning outings were in the middle of the season when he opened a few times.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 He sucked ass at the end of the year after he came back from his injury, his best multi inning outings were in the middle of the season when he opened a few times. Oh okay, I remember him shoving a couple of times and going like three or four innings
Marew Verified Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 This might be his best post. Didn’t Richy have a few good multi inning appearances towards the end of the year? Agreed
RustyTrombone Verified Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Oh okay, I remember him shoving a couple of times and going like three or four innings Ya I remember one outing like that he had against the Brewers where he K'd like 6 or 7 dudes.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Most of the ones sold even in Cuba are fakes. You need to be very careful when purchasing. You only buy from the LCDH stores which are government stores in Cuba (similar to the LCBO here in Ontario for alcohol sales). Hotels, people on the beaches, or non-government shops definitely sell fakes. Same in the Dominican. Never buy Cuban cigars in the Dominican.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Trevor Richards was pretty darn good before he got injured. After he came back, just wasn't the same. 13 K/9 and 105 K's in 72.2 IP last season. If he could be more consistent and if used in the right spots, he's definitely a weapon in that bullpen. Only $2.2M salary in 2024.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Trevor Richards was pretty darn good before he got injured. After he came back, just wasn't the same. 13 K/9 and 105 K's in 72.2 IP last season. If he could be more consistent and if used in the right spots, he's definitely a weapon in that bullpen. Only $2.2M salary in 2024. Yeah if he's your 6th best reliever then you know your pen is in a pretty good spot. Could easily be a 7th inning guy on a bad team.
wamco Verified Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Oh okay, I remember him shoving a couple of times and going like three or four innings I also remember him getting his tits ripped many times in the past 2 Years hence his 5 era over that time. I liked him as a cheap 2nd lefty (reverse splits). If Cabrera can repeat, Richards prob gets moved at some point. When he is on, he is fun to watch. When off, he is unplayable unless down a ton. I’d keep him for now.
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 K rate tells you a lot - Richards is so close to being awesome. Feel like his ERA has been a bit unlucky last two years. But he does lose command sometimes and gets pounded His versatility has lots of value, swing and miss plays in late innings or with men on and he can give you some length so he's a decent swing man or opener. But I wonder if the inconsistent role has made it harder for him to, you know, be consistent.
Eat My Shatkins Verified Member Posted January 21, 2024 Posted January 21, 2024 Richards is probably the reliever I'm most concerned about. He's not a fireballer so he has to be pretty much perfect to not get his ass handed to him, when he's on though the swing and miss is top notch.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards?
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? Garcia
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? Richards if the money is allocated elsewhere. Garcia if we're talking about straight up.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? I'm team Garcia. I think he's underappreciated as a really good member of the Jays pen. He goes through periods of struggles from time to time but when he's on he's super nasty. He has one of the toughest jobs as mid inning fireman and was one of MLB's best at this job for most of the season. I think he is easily worth the $6 million he earns as he's essentially a 1 win reliever per season. Perhaps Green could do the same job but I like him in a leverage role later on in games to deepen the pen as he can take a bit of the strain off of Swanson.
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? Richards.
wamco Verified Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 All depends on how tight money is. If 6m is truly needed to be freed up to make a move , then Garcia should be moved imo. If not needed to make a deal happen, I’m more than fine with bringing him back next year.
Rimar Verified Member Posted January 22, 2024 Posted January 22, 2024 I think he can be successful in mlb, because in Japan he was great and in the WBC stats was good too.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? Garcia. When in doubt, go with velocity.
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Richards if the money is allocated elsewhere. Garcia if we're talking about straight up. Garcia is only $4M more expensive with a much better track record and projections. In a world where Robert Stephenson gets 3/33, Rafael Montero 3/35, Reynaldo Lopez 3/30, I don't see how everyone isn't seeing how valuable Yimi at his price point is. Still gets whiffs and is several tiers ahead of Richards in control, I really don't think it's that close of a decision if you had to pick one to keep. It's really only if you believe you could get a legit player back in trading him.
Laika Community Moderator Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Garcia is only $4M more expensive with a much better track record and projections. In a world where Robert Stephenson gets 3/33, Rafael Montero 3/35, Reynaldo Lopez 3/30, I don't see how everyone isn't seeing how valuable Yimi at his price point is. Still gets whiffs and is several tiers ahead of Richards in control, I really don't think it's that close of a decision if you had to pick one to keep. It's really only if you believe you could get a legit player back in trading him. because they are idiots and their opinions are being shaped by the timing of when Garcia gave up runs. I believe he had some key blown saves in 2023, or some bad stretches both at the start of the year and in September.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 If you could only keep one - Garcia or Richards? Richards because he can be a swingman, long reliever, short reliever. Much easier to replace a Garcia that is limited to short relief.
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Richards because he can be a swingman, long reliever, short reliever. Much easier to replace a Garcia that is limited to short relief. Players like Garcia are getting 3/30 at the minimum in free agency. If it was so easy to replace a guy like him then teams wouldn't be paying a premium to sign comparable players. Richards' inconsistency is sort of baked into his overall projection. Some weeks/months he's unhittable and can give you multiple innings, then he'll lose his release point for a month resulting in him walking the stadium and giving up massive bombs. He's not even someone you can count on in the playoffs since you never know which version of Trevor Richards you're gonna get. I'm not saying he's worthless but he's very cromulent on the whole, and I'm very much over him discovering any semblance of consistency or a tier bump in control. Garcia is who he is, good-great velo from a funky angle, solid number of whiffs, excellent control, will give up a bomb or two every now and then. 2 wins the last 2 seasons. Richards has provided less than half of that in 2.5 seasons while actually pitching more innings. At that point just use your 7-8th starter on the depth charts (Mitch White?) to give you the same amount of near replacement level inning as depth and let the big boys handle the single inning appearances where you need stops.
RustyTrombone Verified Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Yea its Garcia by a landslide IMO as well. Garcia has enough weapons in his arsenal where if one pitch isnt working then he can go to the other 2. With Trevor its like ya his changeup is elite but if guys arent chasing then its bombs away on his fastball.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Players like Garcia are getting 3/30 at the minimum in free agency. If it was so easy to replace a guy like him then teams wouldn't be paying a premium to sign comparable players. Richards' inconsistency is sort of baked into his overall projection. Some weeks/months he's unhittable and can give you multiple innings, then he'll lose his release point for a month resulting in him walking the stadium and giving up massive bombs. He's not even someone you can count on in the playoffs since you never know which version of Trevor Richards you're gonna get. I'm not saying he's worthless but he's very cromulent on the whole, and I'm very much over him discovering any semblance of consistency or a tier bump in control. Garcia is who he is, good-great velo from a funky angle, solid number of whiffs, excellent control, will give up a bomb or two every now and then. 2 wins the last 2 seasons. Richards has provided less than half of that in 2.5 seasons while actually pitching more innings. At that point just use your 7-8th starter on the depth charts (Mitch White?) to give you the same amount of near replacement level inning as depth and let the big boys handle the single inning appearances where you need stops. I meant that the Jays have internal options to readily replace Garcia. Richards could be considered part of the SP depth, which the Jays have in relatively short supply.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 I meant that the Jays have internal options to readily replace Garcia. Richards could be considered part of the SP depth, which the Jays have in relatively short supply. I still like Yimi as a key member of the 2024 pen and think the value he provides is perfectly appropriate compared to his salary. I think the team can let him leave in free agency and utilize the wealth of high octane relief arms to replace him in the future. None of those guys (Danner, Cooke, Zulueta etc.) are MLB tested or proven yet so there is risk in relying on any of them as primary pen options vs utilizing the best of them as depth options to cover in case of injury or underperformance.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 The thing to remember about whether we should trade a reliever or not is that not all of them have options. So if we keep everyone, then we may lose Mitch White, for example. Depending on how he looks in ST that may not be a big deal but he looked great to end the year in Buffalo. So it might make sense to trade Yimi or Richards when factoring that in.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 The thing to remember about whether we should trade a reliever or not is that not all of them have options. So if we keep everyone, then we may lose Mitch White, for example. Depending on how he looks in ST that may not be a big deal but he looked great to end the year in Buffalo. So it might make sense to trade Yimi or Richards when factoring that in. Yup, Though on the roster only Clement and White are out of options. I would imagine the roster crunch isn't a pressing matter. Also worth noting the Yariel signing is not yet official and the Jays have a full 4 man roster as it stands today. someone has to get cut when that signing becomes official.
Marew Verified Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Kid really lacks the fastball command, but we got a decent arm When are you coming back?
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Yup, Though on the roster only Clement and White are out of options. I would imagine the roster crunch isn't a pressing matter. Also worth noting the Yariel signing is not yet official and the Jays have a full 4 man roster as it stands today. someone has to get cut when that signing becomes official. Yeah the 40 man plays a role too. So do the options and then you've obviously got 25 man issues. If Yimi Garcia or Richards gets you something in a trade then Pearson (or perhaps some spring training standout) can be on the 25 man. Who knows maybe the Giants sign Matt Chapman so the Jays could trade Espinal and Garcia for JD Davis or something along those lines.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 When are you coming back? Why do I think Connor and his son's imaginary Fantasy Team that was really him when I see Marew and Frenchlick talking....
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