Blue Jays Reportedly In Agreement With Yariel Rodríguez

[Laika]

 

4/32 isn't bad. Clemens had him getting 3/30.

 

Bleh. He has to be pretty good to justify this. Needs to be a setup man or viable bulk pitcher / SP.

 

Now I don't really like it. Could have just paid Chatt Mapman an extra few million or something.

 

Jays might pay their swing man $8M while paying their starting 3B $7.5M. You sure about that, Ross? You sure about that?

[Terminator]

[Laika]

Eno Sarris

@enosarris

 

Yariel Rodriguez had a plus slider (128 Stuff+) in the WBC, but that model didn't like the fastball much. Was dominant once Chunichi moved him to the bullpen, I think that's where his home will be.

[BTS]

Sounds like Raisel Iglesias, or am I just doing a racism?

[Laika]

Sounds like Raisel Iglesias, or am I just doing a racism?

 

haha yeah it kind of does doesn't it

 

Rodriguez does have a turbo sinker thing and a changeup, they might be decent

[Jimcanuck]

Bleh. He has to be pretty good to justify this. Needs to be a setup man or viable bulk pitcher / SP.

 

Now I don't really like it. Could have just paid Chatt Mapman an extra few million or something.

 

Jays might pay their swing man $8M while paying their starting 3B $7.5M. You sure about that, Ross? You sure about that?

 

Ross would not have done it if the jays internal projections etc did not support it.

 

I'm gonna be optimistic. You can be pessimistic and sad.

[connorp]

Bleh. He has to be pretty good to justify this. Needs to be a setup man or viable bulk pitcher / SP.

 

Now I don't really like it. Could have just paid Chatt Mapman an extra few million or something.

 

Jays might pay their swing man $8M while paying their starting 3B $7.5M. You sure about that, Ross? You sure about that?

 

You and I are almost aligned here, how about that? $50m isn’t anything to sneeze at when it’s possible you could get the same from internal options, or inconsequential trades. Not all out saying I hate it as maybe it’s not money spent otherwise but it’d be $50m closer to something more solid.

[connorp]

Let’s see what Chapman gets. If it’s like 4/100, this is halfway there.

I haven’t even been pro signing Chapman but I’d rather have him for 4/100 and not make these deals

[saskjayfan]

Hell yeah. Manoah to AAA to start the season plz, unless he absolutely shoves in ST

 

Yes, let's pencil in a guy who didn't play last year and pitched 56 games the year prior all as a reliever as our 5th starter..lol. I like the signing, but why don't we just let him do what he did really well in Japan. Let's look at him as a dominant reliever. If we can stretch him out and utilize him as a starter at some point that's a bonus.

 

Why the Manoah hate?

[Terminator]

Bleh. He has to be pretty good to justify this. Needs to be a setup man or viable bulk pitcher / SP.

 

Now I don't really like it. Could have just paid Chatt Mapman an extra few million or something.

 

Jays might pay their swing man $8M while paying their starting 3B $7.5M. You sure about that, Ross? You sure about that?

 

It does have a certain level of FA sticker shock where we are paying for an extra year that I'd rather not BUT

 

-Clemens had him as the #33 FA getting 3/30

-Hicks (seems like a decent comp actually) just got 4 years 44 mil

-He's entering his age 27 season

-Elite slider which should help him at least be a good reliever

-He actually has a deep repertoire which could make him a viable backend SP. Going to have to hope that fastball is Justin Steele-esque and that his splitter develops to get lefties out.

[Jimcanuck]

Let’s see what Chapman gets. If it’s like 4/100, this is halfway there.

I haven’t even been pro signing Chapman but I’d rather have him for 4/100 and not make these deals

 

It's possible the Jays have worked out that Chapman is not coming back. For example he could have a standing offer for more than what Toronto is willing to pay.

 

At some point you need to start making moves, even if less than ideal, otherwise you get left emptyhanded. Not saying this deal is less than ideal, I like it.

[connorp]

It does have a certain level of FA sticker shock where we are paying for an extra year that I'd rather not BUT

 

-Clemens had him as the #33 FA getting 3/30

-Hicks (seems like a decent comp actually) just got 4 years 44 mil

-He's entering his age 27 season

-Elite slider which should help him at least be a good reliever

-He actually has a deep repertoire which could make him a viable backend SP. Going to have to hope that fastball is Justin Steele-esque and that his splitter develops to get lefties out.

 

Jays can’t even develop RP so they don’t have to buy it, much less hitters. Doesn’t bode well.

[connorp]

Orioles didn’t need these deals

[BTS]

Yes, let's pencil in a guy who didn't play last year and pitched 56 games the year prior all as a reliever as our 5th starter..lol. I like the signing, but why don't we just let him do what he did really well in Japan. Let's look at him as a dominant reliever. If we can stretch him out and utilize him as a starter at some point that's a bonus.

 

Why the Manoah hate?

 

I don't really see why people are getting caught up on the fact that he didn't pitch professionally last year. It may well be that his best roll is as pure reliever, but there's also value in a guy who can go 3-5 innings once a week as the fifth starter, maybe in a piggy-back role. It doesn't have to last all season, and I don't really see why he wouldn't be able to do that for a couple months to start the season.

[Jonn]

Not sure how I feel about giving that deal to a Swingman that most likely opens the Season in AAA. Considering all the other holes on the roster.

 

But hopefully it works out.

[Terminator]

Orioles didn’t need these deals

 

The Orioles just spent all of their FA money on a closer.

[saskjayfan]

I don't really see why people are getting caught up on the fact that he didn't pitch professionally last year. It may well be that his best roll is as pure reliever, but there's also value in a guy who can go 3-5 innings once a week as the fifth starter, maybe in a piggy-back role. It doesn't have to last all season, and I don't really see why he wouldn't be able to do that for a couple months to start the season.

 

There's also value in gettting Manoah back to where he was 2 years ago pitching 6 or 7 innings as a 5th starter...lol. I personally hope he comes into camp in great shape and shoves.

[BTS]

The Orioles just spent all of their FA money on a closer.

 

I get that they’re cheap as f*** and won’t spend money to support their young stars, but their unwillingness to move prospect capital while they have a team capable of 100 wins is pathetic. They don’t even have room for some of these guys to play, and still won’t turn them into pitching.

[Terminator]

I don't really see why people are getting caught up on the fact that he didn't pitch professionally last year. It may well be that his best roll is as pure reliever, but there's also value in a guy who can go 3-5 innings once a week as the fifth starter, maybe in a piggy-back role. It doesn't have to last all season, and I don't really see why he wouldn't be able to do that for a couple months to start the season.

 

Yeah if we need him to start early in the year then he could do it. His WBC performance showed he could be that 3-5 inning guy.

 

BUT

-He will have an innings limit (100-120?) after pitching 55 innings in 2022 and not at all last year really

-He's a young asset on a 4 year deal who we will want to protect, easier to do that if he opens in the minors

-Him starting will be a bit of an experiment, also might be easier to break him in in Buffalo. Though ST will tell us how ready he is as well.

-If he's good I'd rather have his innings later in the year rather than the beginning as I think Manoah, Francis or White can probably hold the fort down early on in the year.

[Jimcanuck]

I am sure Yariel got his reps in, in 2023, one way or another

[L54]

I don't really see why people are getting caught up on the fact that he didn't pitch professionally last year. It may well be that his best roll is as pure reliever, but there's also value in a guy who can go 3-5 innings once a week as the fifth starter, maybe in a piggy-back role. It doesn't have to last all season, and I don't really see why he wouldn't be able to do that for a couple months to start the season.

 

Exactly. It’s not like he is a virgin arm and will only throw 12 innings this year. It’s not hard to envision him following an opener or whatever and he has options which basically nobody on the staff has

[Brownie19]

Jays can’t even develop RP so they don’t have to buy it, much less hitters. Doesn’t bode well.

 

stop trolling please.

[wilko]

I am sure Yariel got his reps in, in 2023, one way or another

 

[DonJays]

There's also value in gettting Manoah back to where he was 2 years ago pitching 6 or 7 innings as a 5th starter...lol. I personally hope he comes into camp in great shape and shoves.

No one is as optimistic regarding Manoah as you are and for good reason. Forecasting any contributions from Manoah on the jays this year is foolish. He needs to start in AAA and earn a spot

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well, Manoah can start in the preseason and see where it goes from there.

 

If he's showing signs of being better I have no problem with him starting as the #5, but if his velo is down still, he's out of shape, and getting torched then yeah he should start in AAA

[Key22]

It's a similar deal to Jordan Hicks - Yariel will get the chance to start until he proves that he can't. 4/32 versus 4/44 with incentives.

 

I think the Jays could have met the Giants' price but perhaps they look at Yariel as offering the same sort of value for maybe $16m fewer dollars. He is a bit of backup insurance in case Manoah is done.

 

If he performs well - he is a replacement for Kikuchi when he leaves next year or a replacement for Garcia when he leaves next year.

Edited January 18, 2024 by Key22

[connorp]

It's a similar deal to Jordan Hicks - Yariel will get the chance to start until he proves that he can't. 4/32 versus 4/44 with incentives.

 

I think the Jays could have me the Giants price but perhaps they look at Yariel as offering the same sort of value for maybe $16m fewer dollars. May be a bit of back up insurance in case Manoah is done.

 

It’s not that it seems to be a bad deal. It’s just resources teams like BAL or TAM don’t need to spend money on. That’s $50m committed addressed the biggest team deficiency from last season. Teams usually address what most got them bounced. Maybe the Jays execs are bucking their peers methods due to reading about randomness here

[Laika]

It's a similar deal to Jordan Hicks - Yariel will get the chance to start until he proves that he can't. 4/32 versus 4/44 with incentives.

 

I think the Jays could have me the Giants price but perhaps they look at Yariel as offering the same sort of value for maybe $16m fewer dollars. May be a bit of back up insurance in case Manoah is done.

 

Having seen Jordan Hicks extensively I really have no confidence that he can be a SP

 

Rodriguez probably has a better chance to throw 120 effective innings

[The Cats Ass]

I am sure Yariel got his reps in, in 2023, one way or another

 

Some people can’t seem to understand that. He probably didn’t just go lay around a beach somewhere. It’s quite possible he trained as a SP this past year. Throwing sim-games is all he would have had to do.

[TheHurl]

Assuming this is a deal to waive Arb years as well