Ohtani Thread - Special Sheriff's Edition (Update: confirmed going to the Dodgers)

[Virgil_Hiltz]

The Jays don't leak s***. I bet Ohtani's camp leaked it since he's on the verge of signing and any other teams better get their last offers in.

 

Or the Dodgers.....doesn't take much for other teams to find out behind scene stuff.

[glory]

Rosenthal didn’t cite a source or say “per sources” unless I missed it (only skimmed the article). He just said Ohtani was believed to have met with the Jays. I guess even Ken sold his soul for that sweet clickbait engagement that Morosi lives off of.

 

I only follow Passan and Murray as baseball guys now and that’s probably for the best.

[John_Havok]

Exact same type of thing came out from Susan Slusser about him meeting with Giants last week. Nothing is leaked or confirmed by anyone it's all just reporters reporting rumours and connecting dots that exist

[burlingtonbandit]

For whatever reason MLB compared to other sports has so much BS speculation in the media. In the NBA, Woj and Shams only tweet it out once a deal is done, none of this "Its believed that, this team has inquired about this player, The Jays have received calls on..." nonsense. Every team is going to call about every player, its nothing new.

 

Even the Jays interest in Soto, I'm sure they called the Padres and then they said we would want this type of package and the Jays said thank you very much and hung up the phone. Yet in the media people are believing the Jays are going to just go all in on Soto if Ohtani doesn't sign in Toronto? I find that hard to believe...

[L54]

I don’t find it hard to believe at all

 

San Diego is now poor and s*****. They aren’t keeping Soto

 

They need big league pitching

 

Jays want to add a left handed hitter

 

Alek Manoah is completely expendable

[glory]

For whatever reason MLB compared to other sports has so much BS speculation in the media. In the NBA, Woj and Shams only tweet it out once a deal is done, none of this "Its believed that, this team has inquired about this player, The Jays have received calls on..." nonsense. Every team is going to call about every player, its nothing new.

 

Even the Jays interest in Soto, I'm sure they called the Padres and then they said we would want this type of package and the Jays said thank you very much and hung up the phone. Yet in the media people are believing the Jays are going to just go all in on Soto if Ohtani doesn't sign in Toronto? I find that hard to believe...

 

Yeah I was thinking about that earlier. I never see Woj and Shams post rumors or speculation. It’s either actual news or something newsworthy that is going on. Beyond that I can’t even name another NBA reporter because they very rarely trend. Passan is like Woj/Shams so he’s the most reliable follow but literally everyone else in MLB media is obsessed with clicks. Some of that could be just MLB in general having a slow/boring off season every year, so they have to write about something that people will actually read or click on, but it comes off incredibly cheap to me. I had to block Morosi for that reason. I don’t even want to read any of his posts because I know it’s designed for people to click on it rather than post anything significant.

[max silver]

I don’t find it hard to believe at all

 

San Diego is now poor and s*****. They aren’t keeping Soto

 

They need big league pitching

 

Jays want to add a left handed hitter

 

Alek Manoah is completely expendable

 

You seem to think that Alek Manoah is completely ruined and therefore 100% expendable, yet at the same time are saying that he could be the frontliner in a Soto package. If he's as bad as you are claiming why in the world would the Padres be willing to take him in a Soto package?

[BTS]

You seem to think that Alek Manoah is completely ruined and therefore 100% expendable, yet at the same time are saying that he could be the frontliner in a Soto package. If he's as bad as you are claiming why in the world would the Padres be willing to take him in a Soto package?

 

He's also expendable in the context of the Jays having Gausman/Berrios/Bassit/Kikuchi locked in, White, Francis, Tiedeman and Macko as depth, and an entire offseason to bolster that group.

[John_Havok]

You seem to think that Alek Manoah is completely ruined and therefore 100% expendable, yet at the same time are saying that he could be the frontliner in a Soto package. If he's as bad as you are claiming why in the world would the Padres be willing to take him in a Soto package?

 

Not that I agree that Manoah is crap, but anyone that did could still see Preller trading for him as a headliner because Preller is a moron

[L54]

You seem to think that Alek Manoah is completely ruined and therefore 100% expendable, yet at the same time are saying that he could be the frontliner in a Soto package. If he's as bad as you are claiming why in the world would the Padres be willing to take him in a Soto package?

 

Please quote where I said Manoah is completely ruined

[max silver]

He's also expendable in the context of the Jays having Gausman/Berrios/Bassit/Kikuchi locked in, White, Francis, Tiedeman and Macko as depth, and an entire offseason to bolster that group.

 

That still leaves an opening in the rotation, as needing to rely on the likes of White and Francis as regular rotation members instead of depth options has a lot lower upside compared to what Manoah can offer assuming at least a partial level of bounceback. I'd guess that Chad Dallas could be considered a pretty realistic depth option compared to Macko who has yet to taste baseball above high A up to this point.

[max silver]

Please quote where I said Manoah is completely ruined

 

I specifically recall a comment where you declared he should be pitching in the KBO.

[L54]

Trading for Manoah gives you the privilege to pay him 33M for one single season

 

6 WAR at 10M = 60M

 

27M surplus

 

Manoah is under control for four (?) more seasons. Those years of control are valuable to a team who is re-tooling

[L54]

I specifically recall a comment where you declared he should be pitching in the KBO.

 

After Frenchsoup said Clarke Schmidt looks like a bad reliever. Tongue in cheek

[burlingtonbandit]

I donÂ’t find it hard to believe at all

 

San Diego is now poor and s*****. They arenÂ’t keeping Soto

 

They need big league pitching

 

Jays want to add a left handed hitter

 

Alek Manoah is completely expendable

 

After Shapiro criticized AA for trading away all these prospects he's just going to turn around and do the same thing for 1 year of Soto? I do find that hard to believe..

 

Maybe Manoah for Soto straight up would work for the Jays if they think he's damaged goods/the relationship is beyond repair but if you're having to trade Monah plus 2 or 3 other prospects I just cant see it... There is some real question marks about this roster after 2025 and if you deplete the farm system and trade for Soto its going to be really difficult not to have to go through a rebuild.

[Ehjays]

[max silver]

After Frenchsoup said Clarke Schmidt looks like a bad reliever. Tongue in cheek

 

I have Frenchsoup on ignore so I would have missed the context of that conversation entirely.

[Laika]

For whatever reason MLB compared to other sports has so much BS speculation in the media. In the NBA, Woj and Shams only tweet it out once a deal is done, none of this "Its believed that, this team has inquired about this player, The Jays have received calls on..." nonsense. Every team is going to call about every player, its nothing new.

 

Even the Jays interest in Soto, I'm sure they called the Padres and then they said we would want this type of package and the Jays said thank you very much and hung up the phone. Yet in the media people are believing the Jays are going to just go all in on Soto if Ohtani doesn't sign in Toronto? I find that hard to believe...

 

okay but that's because NBA free agency happens in like 2 days

there isn't even time to speculate

[L54]

After Shapiro criticized AA for trading away all these prospects he's just going to turn around and do the same thing for 1 year of Soto? I do find that hard to believe..

 

Maybe Manoah for Soto straight up would work for the Jays if they think he's damaged goods/the relationship is beyond repair but if you're having to trade Monah plus 2 or 3 other prospects I just cant see it... There is some real question marks about this roster after 2025 and if you deplete the farm system and trade for Soto it’s going to be really difficult not to have to go through a rebuild.

 

I don’t think it’s going to take a ton of prospects. The reports of SD asking for 6 players is just insane

 

Pretty much the only guy I would hate if they moved is Ricky T. Orelvis and Arjun would sting.

 

Manoah

Pearson

Barriera

 

Who says no?

[L54]

Maybe I’m out to lunch but that feels like more than enough

[Spanky99]

Trade rumours and speculation is just a part of the offseason, I enjoy it.

[BTS]

That still leaves an opening in the rotation, as needing to rely on the likes of White and Francis as regular rotation members instead of depth options has a lot lower upside compared to what Manoah can offer assuming at least a partial level of bounceback. I'd guess that Chad Dallas could be considered a pretty realistic depth option compared to Macko who has yet to taste baseball above high A up to this point.

 

Like I said, there's plenty of time. If they don't want Tiedemann as the 5th starter, and they want White and Francis in AAA, sign whoever of Clevinger/Paxton/Montas/German/Lorenzen/Syndergaard/Wood etc... the nerds think could be serviceable.

[Spanky99]

Ryu gets no respect.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Those were just the previews....the movie is coming soon

 

I refuse to be excited until I see him wearing the hat and jersey at the press conference with Atkins and Shapiro slobbering all over him. I've had my heart broken too many times already.

[BTS]

I don’t think it’s going to take a ton of prospects. The reports of SD asking for 6 players is just insane

 

Pretty much the only guy I would hate if they moved is Ricky T. Orelvis and Arjun would sting.

 

Manoah

Pearson

Barriera

 

Who says no?

 

That's an easy yes for Toronto.

[glory]

I don’t think it’s going to take a ton of prospects. The reports of SD asking for 6 players is just insane

 

Pretty much the only guy I would hate if they moved is Ricky T. Orelvis and Arjun would sting.

 

Manoah

Pearson

Barriera

 

Who says no?

 

Toronto says yes to that (or should). Not sure about the Padres. I actually think if it’s between Manoah and Schmidt, then Preller might prefer Manoah based on past performance, age, and control, but who knows.

[max silver]

I don’t think it’s going to take a ton of prospects. The reports of SD asking for 6 players is just insane

 

Pretty much the only guy I would hate if they moved is Ricky T. Orelvis and Arjun would sting.

 

Manoah

Pearson

Barriera

 

Who says no?

 

I agree the reported asking price from the Padres is absurd, nobody is paying that kind of price a single year of Soto. He's an elite hitter but is essentially a DH masquerading as an outfielder at this point of his career.

 

The one other guy I think would really hurt to see moved would be Enmanuel Bonilla.

[connorp]

I agree the reported asking price from the Padres is absurd, nobody is paying that kind of price a single year of Soto. He's an elite hitter but is essentially a DH masquerading as an outfielder at this point of his career.

 

The one other guy I think would really hurt to see moved would be Enmanuel Bonilla.

 

Supply and demand, bro. It’ll depend if they want to water down the return to shed payroll.

Any team making the move will be aware they are likely losing on future WAR across all players in the deal.

Someone like Soto isn’t available often and is a “playoff roster game changer”

Someone will pay close to what SD wants

[G-Snarls]

If the Padres wanted a better haul they should have moved Soto at the deadline this year.

 

Edit: I looked back. No, they had a shot at the deadline (about 30% chance of making post season per Fangraphs odds) but tanked hard in August and screwed themselves.

[connorp]

If San Diego doesn’t get a blue chip project that’s projected to be a clearly above average regular/star potential at least, it makes sense to hold on to him until the Deadline. Either he helps them in the playoff race, or you can flip him for just as much (if it’s a light return now) if he’s having a strong year