General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[L54]

From Ben Nicholson-Smith, expands on how Bassitt's comments landed with the organization:

 

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/fan-pregame/how-to-not-be-fooled-by-nfl-hype/

 

Oh look Team Nut Huggers looking dumb af as usual

[max silver]

Oh look Team Nut Huggers looking dumb af as usual

 

How so? This looks more like a situation where both sides have been somewhat vindicated. Bassitt made controversial comments that were entirely up to the individual to interpret the meaning of, he stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest that likely embarrassed his bosses, and clarified and/or walked the statements back a bit after being talked to by his bosses. So there's little reason to go patting yourself on the back like you've achieved some sort of victory here.

[Olerud363]

How so? This looks more like a situation where both sides have been somewhat vindicated. Bassitt made controversial comments that were entirely up to the individual to interpret the meaning of, he stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest that likely embarrassed his bosses, and clarified and/or walked the statements back a bit after being talked to by his bosses. So there's little reason to go patting yourself on the back like you've achieved some sort of victory here.

 

Several posters were told they were flat-earthers for their take on Bassitt's comments.... Why not pat themselves on the back? They have worked hard to defend their reputations.

[jaysblue]

How so? This looks more like a situation where both sides have been somewhat vindicated. Bassitt made controversial comments that were entirely up to the individual to interpret the meaning of, he stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest that likely embarrassed his bosses, and clarified and/or walked the statements back a bit after being talked to by his bosses. So there's little reason to go patting yourself on the back like you've achieved some sort of victory here.

 

Literally I and many others have patted ourselves on the back quite a bit this season due to victories over "Team Science" which speaks volumes to how out of touch with reality sometimes they really are. As well, some of their responses come across as very arrogant and pompous, so yeah gotta take these victories when they present themselves.

[Brownie19]

Literally I and many others have patted ourselves on the back quite a bit this season due to victories over "Team Science" which speaks volumes to how out of touch with reality sometimes they really are. As well, some of their responses come across as very arrogant and pompous, so yeah gotta take these victories when they present themselves.

 

Can you clarify what victory you're claiming? That Bassitt was being critical of the FO and thinks they are s***, but was forced to backtrack on his comments by the FO? Is that it?

[43211234]

I haven't been watching as closely lately but has anything been made of Leo Jimenez and HBP?

 

 

He's already been hit 6 times in the majors and had 15 in 57 games this season at AAA. He got hit 25 times in 59 games in 2021, 17 HBP in 69 games in 2022 and 14 in 94 games in 2023.

 

The MLB leader in HBP is at 17 this season.

Edited August 25, 2024 by 43211234

[Jonn]

I haven't been watching as closely lately but has anything been made of Leo Jimenez and HBP?

 

 

He's already been hit 6 times in the majors and had 15 in 57 games this season at AAA. He got hit 25 times in 59 games in 2021, 17 HBP in 69 games in 2022 and 14 in 19 games in 2023.

 

The MLB leader in HBP is at 17 this season.

 

He was hit a metric ton in the minors as well. He stays in over the plate for a long time. He was asked about by Arden recently.

[max silver]

He was hit a metric ton in the minors as well. He stays in over the plate for a long time. He was asked about by Arden recently.

 

Sounds kind of like Danny Jansen who literally hangs his hands in the strike zone.

[Laika]

.500 will be easy to make

[AMS528]

How so? This looks more like a situation where both sides have been somewhat vindicated. Bassitt made controversial comments that were entirely up to the individual to interpret the meaning of, he stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest that likely embarrassed his bosses, and clarified and/or walked the statements back a bit after being talked to by his bosses. So there's little reason to go patting yourself on the back like you've achieved some sort of victory here.

 

I mean I didn't comment at the time but I read those posts, and the response to people saying that the team probably had a talk with him and that's why he clarified what he meant was kind of ridiculous. Complete and utter denial of the possibility even though that is not an abnormal thing to happen in sports.

 

I get why people who argued that would be annoyed and pointing this out now. It's not as if the responses were nuanced.

[connorp]

I was at a seminar in Dallas week and sent an email to the CEO, and it’s very big company and CEO, that the company sucked essentially. Kind of like a Jerry McGuire memo. Lots of underperforming assets at the bottom end and handing over the keys to $5m annual revenue assets to people that can’t read a f***ing P&L. Just a classic quality over quantity approach. Like Bassitt, I wasn’t afraid to say it and one could say a bit stupid to say it and I need a filter, but I’d walk to back if I had to, as well.

[jaysblue]

.500 will be easy to make

 

Twins with the longest win streak this season at 12 games.

 

If Jays won 12 in a row, they would sit at 71-68.

 

Need an Oakland A's 2002 type of run to get within striking distance of WC3.

 

Would be fun to see this current group pull off the impossible.

[L54]

I mean I didn't comment at the time but I read those posts, and the response to people saying that the team probably had a talk with him and that's why he clarified what he meant was kind of ridiculous. Complete and utter denial of the possibility even though that is not an abnormal thing to happen in sports.

 

I get why people who argued that would be annoyed and pointing this out now. It's not as if the responses were nuanced.

 

Neutral arbitrator has spoken, the science nerds were defeated by the conspiracy theorists to the surprise of nobody except themselves

[AMS528]

I feel like it would be a good idea to send Davis Schneider down to the minors to regroup a bit.

 

He's slashing .157/.236/.236 good for a .472 OPS and 37 wRC+ since June in 199 PA. He's gone beyond struggling now, he's been one of the worst hitters in the league for three months now.

Edited August 26, 2024 by AMS528

[Brownie19]

I feel like it would be a good idea to send Davis Schneider down to the minors to regroup a bit. He's slashing .157/.236/.236 good for a .472 OPS and 37 wRC+ since June in 199 PA. He's gone beyond struggling now, he's been one of the worst hitters in the league for three months now.

 

Yeah - I'd be in favour of that. He's a mess - let's give some at bats to other young players.

[Governator]

heh, Crawford was facing Jansen when the rain delay happened that resumes today:

 

[L54]

I feel like it would be a good idea to send Davis Schneider down to the minors to regroup a bit.

 

He's slashing .157/.236/.236 good for a .472 OPS and 37 wRC+ since June in 199 PA. He's gone beyond struggling now, he's been one of the worst hitters in the league for three months now.

 

Yup his time has expired

[Spanky99]

I feel like it would be a good idea to send Davis Schneider down to the minors to regroup a bit.

 

He's slashing .157/.236/.236 good for a .472 OPS and 37 wRC+ since June in 199 PA. He's gone beyond struggling now, he's been one of the worst hitters in the league for three months now.

 

Apparently JS is back in his corner...

 

Beyond the many metrics we use to measure players, it’s the feel for personalities that allows a coaching staff to decide whether they bench a player or keep rolling them out for another chance. Davis Schneider is a prime example, stuck in a long slump that he can’t seem to shake.

 

 

 

If Davis Schneider was immature and overwhelmed by the big leagues, see you later. That’s not the case, though. They trust the person, which is why John Schneider has stuck behind him and reminded his young left fielder that, for about a month in his brief MLB career, he was batting leadoff. It’s in there.

 

Davis Schneider

“He was open and honest about it,” John Schneider said, “and if anyone is going to figure something out through hard work, it’s going to be him.”

[The_DH]

Sitting on the bench will not be good for him. Guy needs at bats to get it going again. Buffalo might be the place. He's not doing anything here. If Bichette returns, then maybe Davis's spot should go to him and Jimenez can be the right handed bat at 2b and maybe give Berroa some right handed bats in the outfield.

[Jimcanuck]

Neutral arbitrator has spoken, the science nerds were defeated by the conspiracy theorists to the surprise of nobody except themselves

 

Updated scoring:

 

Science Nerds - 12,527

 

Conspiracy Nuts - 1

[Laika]

Team Science concedes nothing

 

The news essentially just says the front office didn't like his interview. Yeah, no f***ing s***.

 

That still doesn't mean he ever meant the organization or front office is "unfixable"

 

Undefeated

[Brownie19]

Team Science concedes nothing

 

The news essentially just says the front office didn't like his interview. Yeah, no f***ing s***.

 

That still doesn't mean he ever meant the organization or front office is "unfixable"

 

Undefeated

 

I was going to just let it go, but I agree. If I've followed this correctly, they are dunking and claiming victory that the org heard Bassitt's comments and wanted him to clarify himself. Yeah no s***. That's like a grown man dunking on a Little Tykes basketball net. I've yet to see any evidence that Bassitt put his tail between his legs and retracted his original intent because the org told him to (or else!). I mean, he might have - but there's a chance that his clarification is exactly what he meant too. The case remains wide open IMO...likely never to shut.

[L54]

Updated scoring:

 

Science Nerds - 12,527

 

Conspiracy Nuts - 1

 

Team Science is also Team Not Panicking so ya this isn’t accurate

[L54]

I was going to just let it go, but I agree. If I've followed this correctly, they are dunking and claiming victory that the org heard Bassitt's comments and wanted him to clarify himself. Yeah no s***. That's like a grown man dunking on a Little Tykes basketball net. I've yet to see any evidence that Bassitt put his tail between his legs and retracted his original intent because the org told him to (or else!). I mean, he might have - but there's a chance that his clarification is exactly what he meant too. The case remains wide open IMO...likely never to shut.

 

This is coming from the guy who says you can’t believe anything the FO says because all they do is provide lip service during interviews

[max silver]

Neutral arbitrator has spoken, the science nerds were defeated by the conspiracy theorists to the surprise of nobody except themselves

 

Nobody was defeated here. The whole crux of the argument from the science deniers was that Bassitt was obviously blasting the front office as being some sort of unfixable mess which meant the team was completely ruined until the were replaced. When Bassitt clarified his comments about the unfixable stuff being primarily age and injury issues among various teammates that couldn't be removed as a factor this basically disproved that theory. There's a loss for the science deniers. Bassitt was rightly blasting the front office's mediocre offseason, but at the same time it's also completely true that Ohtani aside free agency was very weak last season. So no victory for either group as there's truth in both stances. Some people opined (incorrectly) that Bassitt might have clarified the comments on his own after being asked about it by Jays beat reporters. There's a loss for the beacons of truth. In the end there's simply no victor in this argument.

[connorp]

Team Science concedes nothing

 

The news essentially just says the front office didn't like his interview. Yeah, no f***ing s***.

 

That still doesn't mean he ever meant the organization or front office is "unfixable"

 

Undefeated

 

He said it. He meant it. Just shooting the breeze like a cool dude. Jays are a s*** show. He walked it back after realizing the ramifications. Happens every day in every form of celebrity. You don’t change your opinion in one day. He may be a millionaire, but it’d reflect bad on him with other teams.

[Brownie19]

This is coming from the guy who says you can’t believe anything the FO says because all they do is provide lip service during interviews

 

[tazsub3]

Twins with the longest win streak this season at 12 games.

 

If Jays won 12 in a row, they would sit at 71-68.

 

Need an Oakland A's 2002 type of run to get within striking distance of WC3.

 

Would be fun to see this current group pull off the impossible.

 

Well a 12 game win streak will entail a sweep of the twins , and sox and thus put us in the thick of it …. Just stating the implications of a streak and not what I believe will happen

[jaysblue]

Well a 12 game win streak will entail a sweep of the twins , and sox and thus put us in the thick of it …. Just stating the implications of a streak and not what I believe will happen

 

Even if the Jays get to 71-68 with a sweep of the Twins, they likely are 4 to 5 GB of WC3 which is a lot of ground to make up still up over the final month.

 

They definitely have to sweep the Twins this weekend in order to make up ground on them. Season is on the line this week haha.

 

They would have to at least win 16 or 17 of their final 23 regular season games in September after the Twins series which would get them to 87 or 88 wins.

[wilko]

Don't look now but the Jays are on a roll!